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Scott Gentzen
post Aug 30 2007, 11:16 PM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 30 2007, 05:55 AM) *
complete tube amp including preamp, cascading gain stages, Phase Inverter and PP output stage. It is by no means a cop out, its literally a pod with a real tube amp bolted onto it smile.gif



It'll be interesting to see how it works. I do something similar with my iPod at work...



My guitar amp's a Peavey Transformer which is a modelling amp but they run it all through their 'trans tube' analog (transistor) pre- and power-amps. I like most of the tones I get out of it but I'm not trying to pretend that it sounds exactly like what it's modelling.


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post Aug 31 2007, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Hardtail @ Aug 30 2007, 10:51 PM) *
I think instead of "modeling" on this amp they should focus on their digital effects engine. I have yet to see a REAL good tube amp with built-in digital processor. Things like Echo, Delay, Chorus, etc. are actually very good from Line6 for being digital and my opinion is they should focus on that and get off the "modeling" track.

Modeling = Wannabe ; That's not an opinion it's just an abbreviation of the fact. The essence of modeling is to "sound like" something else. I'd rather just have the something else.

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Yeah. Maby they should just make a clean sounding "bogner" amp and add the DF4 and DL4 and DM4 to it or something. That + full programmable midi style interface via they floorboard would sound incredible. I just like that amp cos its bogner in the back.
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post Aug 31 2007, 03:36 PM
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i think this is pretty cool. if the price is somewhere within some other guys that did the tube/modeling *coughvoxcough* i'll be sure to pick up a 30w; or 75w if they plan on doing the spider III "400 ROCKSTAR TONES" gimmick.


EDIT: nevermind, if i did get one i'd get the 1x12 as it's smallest.

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post Aug 31 2007, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (Asphyxia Feeling @ Aug 31 2007, 10:36 AM) *
i think this is pretty cool. if the price is somewhere within some other guys that did the tube/modeling *coughvoxcough* i'll be sure to pick up a 30w; or 75w if they plan on doing the spider III "400 ROCKSTAR TONES" gimmick.
EDIT: nevermind, if i did get one i'd get the 1x12 as it's smallest.


They are all over $1000 - I'd want it to sound pretty fricken sweet for that ...

Now I am almost a converted tube snob, I am suspicious - I agree totally with hardtail and others who said Line6 should stick to the stuff in the effects loop, and get the right kind of controllable/Midi switchable tonal variation by good tube circuit design, not DSP!


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 31 2007, 12:37 PM) *
They are all over $1000 - I'd want it to sound pretty fricken sweet for that ...

Now I am almost a converted tube snob, I am suspicious - I agree totally with hardtail and others who said Line6 should stick to the stuff in the effects loop, and get the right kind of controllable/Midi switchable tonal variation by good tube circuit design, not DSP!


$1000! wow. they MUST be pretty fabulous with that price tag. can't wait to try one at a guitar store after they are available!


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post Sep 1 2007, 10:49 AM
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QUOTE (Smikey2006 @ Aug 30 2007, 11:58 AM) *
I think.. you shud mess with your tone using real pedals and mixers and not building it in.. I don't mind Line 6 but i really don't think its a respectable amp to be useing.. im skeptical about goodness of it... ill have to wait and hear the soundclips buuutt i would rather get a krank and then add a couple of pedals and a multi effects bored smile.gif



I have to agree with you Smikey. I have no negatives at all with my tube amp. The cleans sound incredibly warm and depending upon what pedals I use I can get whatever sound I want. Te modelling amps just don't sound as good in my opinion.
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post Sep 1 2007, 07:08 PM
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Seems pointless, if someone wants a tube amp they will get the genuine article. Also branding it with the Spider name tag is a bad idea, as that is truely known for being Line 6's worst amp.


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post Sep 1 2007, 07:32 PM
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Well you can't judge the new amp by previous models. I'm sure they changed loads of stuff and also i bet Bogner wouldn't work on shitty amp to put his logo on it.


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 1 2007, 02:32 PM) *
Well you can't judge the new amp by previous models. I'm sure they changed loads of stuff and also i bet Bogner wouldn't work on shitty amp to put his logo on it.



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QUOTE (Pavel @ Sep 1 2007, 07:32 PM) *
Well you can't judge the new amp by previous models. I'm sure they changed loads of stuff and also i bet Bogner wouldn't work on shitty amp to put his logo on it.


I'm not judging, but I think other people will. rolleyes.gif


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QUOTE (Hardtail @ Aug 30 2007, 10:51 PM) *
I think instead of "modeling" on this amp they should focus on their digital effects engine. I have yet to see a REAL good tube amp with built-in digital processor. Things like Echo, Delay, Chorus, etc. are actually very good from Line6 for being digital and my opinion is they should focus on that and get off the "modeling" track.

Modeling = Wannabe ; That's not an opinion it's just an abbreviation of the fact. The essence of modeling is to "sound like" something else. I'd rather just have the something else.

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I must say i hate the amp models in line6 amps. Its so annoying cos the volume levels aren't equal etc.

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There have been a number of hybrid amps made in the past, albeit I don't recall one that married modelling and tube.

Personally I'm not sold on it just because Bogner was involved. There are an awful lot of products that have 'resulted from a collaboration' or are an 'endorsed by' item. Some of these prove to be fine but many seem to have more to do with marketing hype. Despite the oft heard claim 'I wouldn't put my name to...' - yadda yadda yadda - there is a long history of rubbish made and sold which people did put there name on. The opposite is of course also true in some cases. What we don't really know is the extent to which Bogner were involved in both the design and the actual mass manufacture of these amps. Many designs are wonderful on paper and in prototype, even up to small manufacturing runs but then the quality is lost on mass production. Very often a good design is compromised by manufacturing replacing expensive components present for the design and prototype with off the shelf ones or replacing hand wired for pcbs with board mounted components that are dipped soldered and so on. What happens here is anyones guess until they start to hit the shops in volume. Until any of us really get to see this amp live we can't tell how good it is.

On a different note personally modeling valve amps and then sticking that through a valve pre - well!. Surely here the issue is how accurate the model is and how accurate we need/want it to be? To me digital modelers at the moment just do not capture valve amps accurately enough. I don't want to reiterate what has been said before but digital does NOT fully and accurately reproduce an analogue wave form. Digital always compresses and loses information. In brief and perhaps a bit cynically garbage in will always equal garbage out - you've already lost and compressed a signal, valve preamping will not recover this.
If you really want to have an amp that accurately does a Fender blackface then you need a suitable valve amp, if you want a Boogie then like wise, same for Marshall ad infinitum. Where modeling amps are good is sticking a lot into a single relatively small versatile package. What it is not is accurate. That however is my subjective opinion - in many situations, and to many people, a modeler may well be accurate enough. (See Pavel's thread where most people couldn't tell the difference between a valve amp and a tranny blink.gif .)

Nonetheless we really need to wait til these hit the shops...

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