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post Sep 1 2007, 03:30 AM
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QUOTE (Goliath @ Sep 1 2007, 03:22 AM) *
Yeah ultimately I'd like to own a powerball but I really don't have a need for it right now. The thunder and fireball heads are pretty affordable considering what they are. I was pleasantly surprised this week to find otu MF was starting to carry ENGL, before there was only a boutique guitar shop in my city that had them and that would mean having to pay salestax on it. Now that MF has it, they ship for free and there's no salestax! So it's kind of a built in savings I suppose. That, and they don't have the thunder head, they just have the fireball, powerball, and the 412 and 212 cabs. They're wanting $700+ for a 212 cab! WTF. I mean I don't want to match that badly.

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I tried to order from there once but they didn't ship to sweden sad.gif


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post Sep 1 2007, 05:07 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Aug 31 2007, 02:31 AM) *
20 - 30W is more than loud enought to compete with an unmiked drummer


Only a tube amp or a regular amp as well? Let's say a 30W solid-state amp? biggrin.gif


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post Sep 1 2007, 05:14 AM
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QUOTE (Anomaly @ Aug 31 2007, 04:07 PM) *
Only a tube amp or a regular amp as well? Let's say a 30W solid-state amp? biggrin.gif


I'd say it depends on the quality of the amp. I have a 90w 112 solid state amp, which gets loud enough to handle a drummer, but you have to really crank it, and when I do so on mine it buzzes and shakes like no other, it's really bad. I would bet there's better ones though tongue.gif


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post Sep 1 2007, 05:24 AM
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QUOTE (JVM @ Sep 1 2007, 06:14 AM) *
I'd say it depends on the quality of the amp. I have a 90w 112 solid state amp, which gets loud enough to handle a drummer, but you have to really crank it, and when I do so on mine it buzzes and shakes like no other, it's really bad. I would bet there's better ones though tongue.gif


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Well, I don't know how loud drummers are and I don't know how loud can my amp get - so it still sounds good (I live in an apartment). laugh.gif

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post Sep 1 2007, 05:48 AM
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QUOTE (Anomaly @ Sep 1 2007, 06:24 AM) *
I don't know how loud drummers are

Like a train passing by at full speed while you're standing on the platform next to it.


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post Sep 1 2007, 05:55 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 1 2007, 06:48 AM) *
Like a train passing by at full speed while you're standing on the platform next to it.


But full speeds vary from train to train. And I know you're probably not talking about those magnetically levitated trains. And I don't like to stand near a train when it passes by. biggrin.gif

So, this probably means too loud? Like not being able to have a conversation near a drummer - when they're drumming that is? Or louder than not being able to hear someone speak/scream close to your ear?

And because there will be midnight here soon and everyone will be sleeping, I'm going to test my amp then..

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post Sep 1 2007, 05:59 AM
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QUOTE (Anomaly @ Aug 31 2007, 04:55 PM) *
But full speeds vary from train to train. And I know you're probably not talking about those magnetically levitated trains. And I don't like to stand near a train when it passes by. biggrin.gif

So, this probably means too loud? Like not being able to have a conversation near a drummer - when they're drumming that is? Or louder than not being able to hear someone speak/scream close to your ear?

And because there will be midnight here soon and everyone will be sleeping, I'm going to test my amp then..


Depends on the drummer really tongue.gif Most drummers, you probably can't hear someone yelling real well. Definitely not have a conversation. Drummers are loud man!


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QUOTE (Anomaly @ Sep 1 2007, 06:55 AM) *
And I don't like to stand near a train when it passes by. biggrin.gif

There you have it!

QUOTE (Anomaly @ Sep 1 2007, 06:55 AM) *
So, this probably means too loud?

Always.

QUOTE (Anomaly @ Sep 1 2007, 06:55 AM) *
Like not being able to have a conversation near a drummer

I think the correct expression would be - Like not being able to have a conversation with a drummer
Drumming or not, it's just not possible.

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Well, it's loud, what can I say, I have a hearing loss just a tiny frequence that my left ear doesn't pick up and I've always been standing with my left side to the drummers. And a good crash or cymbal, it' hurts.
I always use good earplugs nowadays but used to have cotton or these yellow workers plugs, sometimes I forgot to bring and played without. Real christmas tree plugs are the best!


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post Sep 1 2007, 07:16 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 1 2007, 07:24 AM) *
There you have it!


So I don't fall under it, or so I don't "fall" ("accidentally") under it.

QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 1 2007, 07:24 AM) *
I think the correct expression would be - Like not being able to have a conversation with a drummer
Drumming or not, it's just not possible.

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Hey! mad.gif Drummers are nice! Says me who hasn't heard a drummer play. biggrin.gif

QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 1 2007, 07:24 AM) *
Well, it's loud, what can I say, I have a hearing loss just a tiny frequence that my left ear doesn't pick up and I've always been standing with my left side to the drummers. And a good crash or cymbal, it' hurts.
I always use good earplugs nowadays but used to have cotton or these yellow workers plugs, sometimes I forgot to bring and played without. Real christmas tree plugs are the best!


Like these http://www.christmas-tree-farm.com/drippic012.html ?

So cotton and yellow workers plugs suck?

And, I've read that the plugs have to fit in your ear evenly, like with no tiny holes, and probably so they don't create a vacuum. So you can perhaps hear all of the frequencies the same amout as without them, but not as loud.




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post Sep 2 2007, 09:11 AM
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I only put an ear plug in the ear on the drummers side... and only if the drummer has an excessively loud kit. As for 30 Watt tube being enough to overcome a drummer... yes! If you wanted you could probably hurt their ears! laugh.gif laugh.gif

30 Watt solid state would not be near enough IMO. My 65 watt Solid state doesn't get nearly as loud as my 15 watt tube amp if that gives you an idea of how far 30 watt Solid state will get yah.

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