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post Sep 7 2007, 12:25 PM
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Ever since I joined GMC I have been hearing alot of bands that I like the sound of but the vocals ruin them for me.. Basically I was wondering if anyone knew of a FREE program I could use to get rid of the vocal layer on songs.


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post Sep 7 2007, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE (Hungus @ Sep 7 2007, 04:55 PM) *
Ever since I joined GMC I have been hearing alot of bands that I like the sound of but the vocals ruin them for me.. Basically I was wondering if anyone knew of a FREE program I could use to get rid of the vocal layer on songs.



Dude, no offence, but do you seriously believe that's possible? But you may download backing tracks from www.guitarbt.com,, but then the guitar part would be missing from them sad.gif.


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post Sep 7 2007, 02:48 PM
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yeah sorry man that's quite impossible. unless you had the master track of the song, hahahahaha


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post Sep 7 2007, 03:18 PM
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mmm you can remove the middle frequences where the voice stands, but you will remove other instruments that are in the same frequences, so I don't know if it's a good idea.


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post Sep 7 2007, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE (aerohit @ Sep 8 2007, 01:25 AM) *
Dude, no offence, but do you seriously believe that's possible? But you may download backing tracks from www.guitarbt.com,, but then the guitar part would be missing from them sad.gif.


Before you go thinking you are so smart and trying to shut me down how about doing some research. I know it can be done. I have a friend with some software that can do it but the thing is he is so lazy he will never get round to doing it and he payed alot of money for all his recording and audio software he isnt just going to give it to me either.

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mmm you can remove the middle frequences where the voice stands, but you will remove other instruments that are in the same frequences, so I don't know if it's a good idea.


Sorry I should have put this in my other message..... I have a friend with a stereo which has voice masking which I am guessing does something like that. The music doesnt sound quite as good and you can actually still hear like a whisper of the vocals too... But still even a free program which I can easily do that with would be better than nothing.


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post Sep 7 2007, 08:15 PM
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QUOTE (Hungus @ Sep 7 2007, 10:53 AM) *
Before you go thinking you are so smart and trying to shut me down how about doing some research. I know it can be done. I have a friend with some software that can do it but the thing is he is so lazy he will never get round to doing it and he payed alot of money for all his recording and audio software he isnt just going to give it to me either.
Sorry I should have put this in my other message..... I have a friend with a stereo which has voice masking which I am guessing does something like that. The music doesnt sound quite as good and you can actually still hear like a whisper of the vocals too... But still even a free program which I can easily do that with would be better than nothing.


Another technique is to cancel out a signal that is common to both sides of the stereo signal - vocals are usually mixed into the middle so this works ... kind of. You will never get perfect results but you can get some of the way there.

Take a look at the amazing slow downer - this is a great tool for slowing down tracks so you can figure them out or play with them more slowly, but it also has vocal/guitar cancellation, not sure how good that part of it is but its worth a go.


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QUOTE (Hungus @ Sep 7 2007, 08:23 PM) *
Before you go thinking you are so smart and trying to shut me down how about doing some research. I know it can be done. I have a friend with some software that can do it but the thing is he is so lazy he will never get round to doing it and he payed alot of money for all his recording and audio software he isnt just going to give it to me either.


Hungus I already told you I meant no offence and quite obviously didn't wanted to shut you down smile.gif. What you asked for was something that could remove the vocal layer and what you yourself suggested in that angry reply was something that does only remove some range of frequencies. I think you are smart enough to get the difference smile.gif.

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Hi Hungus,
as some have said provided the vocals are mixed centre rather then panned left or right channel it is possible to remove some/all. The cheapest way is to use something like audacity/cooledit - ie software that you may already have.

The basic technique is based on phase inversion - inverting the signal on one channel and then mixing the inverted signal with that of the opposite channel. The inverted signal is a mirror image and cancels out everything that is fully identical to itself. (Stuff - instruments, frequencies etc - that isn't fully identical may get attenuated but not necessarily canceled out fully.) So you could take the left channel, invert it and mix the inversion with the right channel to edit out everything in the centre - vocals, bass drum, everything. You then end up with a mono rather then a stereo signal.

The technique isn't perfect as if there is anything like reverb that tends to be panned off centre. So some vocals can still be left. Also there is more in the centre channel then vocals ie kick drums and bass are often in the centre. This will get attenuated out as well. It is however possible to return the low frequency stuff like kick drums by using a low end shelf cut on the left channel after you invert it but before its mixed with the right channel. (Ie you cut the kick drum out of the inverted left signal so that the kick drum in the uninverted right channel is not cancelled when they are mixed.)

Overall it's not perfect but it can produce stuff that is good enough to practice to.

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post Sep 8 2007, 01:50 AM
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It's possible.

I bought a creative 5.1 external sound card and it comes with a number of software utilities. It has a karaoke program that let's you cancel out the vocals.

this is the sound adapter: http://www.creative.com/products/product.a...p;product=10702

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post Sep 8 2007, 11:58 AM
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QUOTE (aerohit @ Sep 8 2007, 07:56 AM) *
Hungus I already told you I meant no offence and quite obviously didn't wanted to shut you down smile.gif. What you asked for was something that could remove the vocal layer and what you yourself suggested in that angry reply was something that does only remove some range of frequencies. I think you are smart enough to get the difference smile.gif.


Sorry I was rather drunk.....



Thanks for all the help though guys I will let you know how I get along with it. Im abit too hungover now to understand your post Tony but it sounds really helpful so I will read it again when my head isnt throbbing so much. My origional idea was just to get some instrumental music I could listen to but I like the idea of practicing along to it now too..



How much does that soundcard cost yheabah! cause I think its about time I upgrade..


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post Sep 14 2007, 05:14 AM
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it's around $50

you can also try this thing out: http://www.powerkaraoke.com/src/prod_karaokecdgcreator.php
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