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post Sep 21 2007, 02:09 AM
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Hi,

I am trying to learn Ableton Live, playing with guitar, I'd like to use it for practice, writing and recording, and perhaps live performance eventually.

I'm having trouble learning to use it- then it occurred to me that this could be another benefit of GMC- software lessons! Any hope?

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post Sep 21 2007, 02:55 AM
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mmm, it sounds cool, but I don't know if it would be posible... I'm thinking in explain how I record all my songs, but I need more time, i'm very busy XD


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post Sep 21 2007, 02:58 AM
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Good idea. It would be useful to have lessons on GP5 and other guitar programs.


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post Sep 21 2007, 05:19 AM
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This is an excellent idea - however I am not quite sure if there could be copyright issues.

Does anybody here have any knowledge about that?


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post Sep 21 2007, 05:38 AM
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Gp5 I don't think it would interfere with copyright laws. You see a lot of people putting out tabs with it. As long as your not copying the program and giving it to people, it shouldn't interfere with copyrights.


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post Sep 21 2007, 06:15 AM
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Many of the computer music type magazines end up having to write multiple columns/articles to cater for the different major software sequencers (nevermind the other types of software). SoS (my favourite) for instance has specialist monthly columns for Protools, Logic, Cubase/Nuendo, Sonar, DP, Reason, Live!. What they have found is that it is very hard to write a generic piece that works across different platforms as each has subtle, and not so subtle, ways of doing things - as an example, Live! is very much clip/sample based whilst Cubase is much more a traditional sequencer; Reason operates largely as a 'self contained rack recording studio' whereas most others are open ended - so much so that they arguably lack Reason's integration. Further some support certain formats/styles/themes and others do not; some support and have included certain additional vsts, vsti. All that is even before you get into issues between pc vs mac vst versus other formats and so on. On a personal level I use Live!, Reaper and Reason (along with other software like Melodyne) and have used hardware and software for a few years - they are very different environments imo.

Maybe what would be a way forward is not to do a software based series of lessons but one much more generalised as a series on recording whether its hardware or software based? For instance - how to set up and mic; difference between set up for live vs studio; rendering and formats; lessons on eq, pre and post fade and mastering; compression and shelving; side chaining effects; level, distortion, balance, placement; reverb, when and how; microphone - types, position, suitability, how to mic an acoustic guitar and eq it vs an electric combo vs an electric stack etc etc etc.

Just a thought.

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post Sep 21 2007, 06:41 AM
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Great idea Tony - basically just general recording/micing/mixing lessons!

Perhaps in combination with the explanation of a freeware such as reaper to get recording newbies started...? smile.gif


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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Sep 20 2007, 11:41 PM) *
Great idea Tony - basically just general recording/micing/mixing lessons!

Perhaps in combination with the explanation of a freeware such as reaper to get recording newbies started...? smile.gif


Sounds like an excellent idea Kris

Minor correction - Reaper isn't freeware, it's unlimited shareware. Unlimited for use but if you do you use it 'a lot', particularly if you record with commercial/professional intentions, then you should/must buy a license. The license isn't expensive btw - it's only 50USD (compare that against the cost of the big name sequencing packages). Not to over egg the cake here but if we want stuff like Reaper (and Audacity) to continue to be available and to carry on being developed then as many people as possible who use it should buy a license. Development isn't cheap - one of my friends is on the Audacity team and I'd like to see her continually and gainfully employed smile.gif . (That way she continues to buy me drinks rather then scamming mine wink.gif .)

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post Sep 21 2007, 09:02 AM
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Yeah,lessons about that might be really cool smile.gif
But in a mean while look more into help features.
I use Ableton Live a lot but only for audio drum loops,don't now much about recording with it...
Also,there are probably many video tutorials on Ableton Live website.
I've seen many for Cubase,Logic etc. smile.gif


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post Sep 21 2007, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Sep 21 2007, 07:57 AM) *
Sounds like an excellent idea Kris

Minor correction - Reaper isn't freeware, it's unlimited shareware. Unlimited for use but if you do you use it 'a lot', particularly if you record with commercial/professional intentions, then you should/must buy a license. The license isn't expensive btw - it's only 50USD (compare that against the cost of the big name sequencing packages). Not to over egg the cake here but if we want stuff like Reaper (and Audacity) to continue to be available and to carry on being developed then as many people as possible who use it should buy a license. Development isn't cheap - one of my friends is on the Audacity team and I'd like to see her continually and gainfully employed smile.gif . (That way she continues to buy me drinks rather then scamming mine wink.gif .)

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Aha, thanks I didn't know. (I haven't checked out repaer myself yet)

But I do know that development isn't cheap! wink.gif


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post Sep 22 2007, 01:01 AM
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Great ideas and input- I'm glad we are talking about it.

Muris you are right that most if not all the programs have tutorials already, but I have found them to be a bit BGFG (by geeks for geeks smile.gif ), and much like GMC has brought learning guitar from boring and impenetrable to engaging and fun, I was hoping that same magic could be applied to software.

I remember WAY back on Tortola, BVI, there was a guy who used to play guitar for Leo Sayer, his name was Big Al, who was not big in any visible way, and he used to light up a club full of dancers with just him, his guitar, and his computer. He must have been a pioneer because this was like, pre Windows 95, but he would record loops and then play over them and make it all rock. I always wanted to do that. I've been working on the playing part and only have a hundred thousand miles to go, so I figure it's time to start work on the computer part.

Anyway back to the issue- isn't there enough data storage for segments using the different specific programs, and gurus who know how to use them? It can't be too simple for me. Maybe the best solution would be both general bits on set up and overview, and then specific lessons on building a simple song with a specific program. Hopefully once we get kick started we can make progress from there.

Again, Thanks! for the attention, suggestions, and help. You guys are the best.
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post Sep 22 2007, 01:14 AM
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Well,if you want to record something with your guitar and then to play over it,
Reaper is more than enough. smile.gif


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