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post Sep 27 2007, 04:10 AM
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Hi,

There is a point in your life where you have to setup your guitar, and this point just came to me.
I have to arrange the intonation and all the ohter stuff that the guitar sounds good again.
And now my problem, I have no clue how I have to do that, but I dont want to go to a shop (1) money 2) here is no shop :/) and its always useful to know how to do, because I think it isnt the one and only time that if have to setup it new.

That is the bridge I have:
http://www.musik-schmidt.de/osc-schmidt/ca...hru-Black_2.jpg

My technial abilities go that far that I know how to use a screwdriver biggrin.gif
It would be very nice If anyone could make a step by step guide, maybe with some pictures, that I know how I can setup my guitar without destroying it wink.gif

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post Sep 27 2007, 04:24 AM
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For the intonation part: smile.gif
http://www.projectguitar.com/tut/intonate.htm


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post Sep 27 2007, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE (botoxfox @ Sep 27 2007, 05:24 AM) *


Thanks for the link.
Could anybody tell me what else if have to arrange that my guitar sounds right again ?^^


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post Sep 27 2007, 05:41 AM
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QUOTE (chast @ Sep 27 2007, 06:22 AM) *
Thanks for the link.
Could anybody tell me what else if have to arrange that my guitar sounds right again ?^^

I think that covers most of it.

Then you can get new strings. Clean the frets. Clean the dirt off of the fretboard and then oil it (I use parafine oil) with a special fretboard oil or lemon juice even.
Take the bridge apart while the strings are off and clean it.
Clen the nut and machine heads.

EDIT: There's more things if you want to go as far as bading the pu's in wax, add graphite from a pencil to the nut and other "magic" stuff that may or may not work.

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post Sep 27 2007, 05:42 AM
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QUOTE (botoxfox @ Sep 27 2007, 05:24 AM) *


Excellent web !!! and cool pics cool.gif


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post Sep 27 2007, 05:49 AM
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Is there anything I can do wrong with the intonation ?
I dont want to destroy my guitar^^


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post Sep 27 2007, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (chast @ Sep 27 2007, 06:49 AM) *
Is there anything I can do wrong with the intonation ?
I dont want to destroy my guitar^^

Yes, you could turn the trussrod screw too hard and thereby break the neck.


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post Sep 27 2007, 05:58 AM
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QUOTE (chast @ Sep 27 2007, 06:49 AM) *
Is there anything I can do wrong with the intonation ?
I dont want to destroy my guitar^^


As MickeM said,clean whole bridge,oil it tho.
I wouldn't messing too much wuth the neck unless it's really narrow.
And about bridge,tune perfect octaves by using harmonics on 12 fret(optional 24th fret.)
That's it. smile.gif


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post Sep 27 2007, 06:13 AM
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QUOTE (muris @ Sep 26 2007, 10:58 PM) *
As MickeM said,clean whole bridge,oil it tho.
I wouldn't messing too much wuth the neck unless it's really narrow.
And about bridge,tune perfect octaves by using harmonics on 12 fret(optional 24th fret.)
That's it. smile.gif


Or double octaves at 7th (or 19th) and the open string on the next string down with exception of the B string which you do as a Lenny Breau type octave at 8th (hold down 1st fret with any left hand finger and play octave harmonic with right index plucked with thumb. Oh - or 20th if your doing the 19ths) and play g string open as per.

You may well find that your guitar is slightly out with double octaves even though its ok normally or with octave harmonics - issue goes back to the thread on the board on that weird and wonderful compensated neck that Vai was showing off . Good way of checking intonation and neck relief generally...

If you want to be really flash you can tune only with octaves - double at 7th (except for B string) and replace the open string with its octave at 12th... Gets people going in guitar shops laugh.gif

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post Sep 27 2007, 09:22 AM
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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Sep 27 2007, 07:13 AM) *
Or double octaves at 7th (or 19th) and the open string on the next string down with exception of the B string which you do as a Lenny Breau type octave at 8th (hold down 1st fret with any left hand finger and play octave harmonic with right index plucked with thumb. Oh - or 20th if your doing the 19ths) and play g string open as per.

You may well find that your guitar is slightly out with double octaves even though its ok normally or with octave harmonics - issue goes back to the thread on the board on that weird and wonderful compensated neck that Vai was showing off . Good way of checking intonation and neck relief generally...

If you want to be really flash you can tune only with octaves - double at 7th (except for B string) and replace the open string with its octave at 12th... Gets people going in guitar shops laugh.gif

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I think our friend shall be fine with 12th harmonics Tony laugh.gif


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QUOTE (muris @ Sep 27 2007, 02:22 AM) *
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I think our friend shall be fine with 12th harmonics Tony laugh.gif


laugh.gif probably Muris - doubles are probably over egging the cake (but fun).

One thing though is that I've found with some (not many) guitars that the intonation can appear (nearly) ok at 12th with single harmonics but if you check with the double at 7th and 19th it is then thrown. It can really demonstrate how close to true temper the fretting on the neck (and give an idea of profile, bowing etc).

It's also good for annoying the wannabe, smug, know all shop assistants in a minority of guitar shops tongue.gif wink.gif . Bit of overkill though laugh.gif .

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EDIT - BTW I was really referring to checking intonation rather than tuning. My stupid for saying tuning. Duh slap wrist. Ouch.

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post Sep 27 2007, 05:03 PM
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If you are really interested (who isn't) in the topic of tuning, here is some additional reading:

http://www.guyguitars.com/eng/handbook/Tuning/tuning.html

If you don't have the energy to read the whole thing, you will find some comments on different tuning methods about 2/3 down the page.

Note that Paul Guy, who wrote the piece, is also one of the guys (!) behind the True Temperament guitar necks (http://www.truetemperament.com) that, among others, Steve Vai has recently started using.

As a comment to the original question: as long as you only adjust intonation using the small screws on your bridge you should be pretty safe from damaging your instrument (as long as you do not force the screws too far in either direction; common sense should serve you well, I think).


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Great link Johan - thanks.

From the document: "Adding length to the string at the bridge end to correct the intonation at the 12th fret has an unfortunate side-effect, in that this also lengthens the distance from the higher frets to the bridge, which can throw the intonation off at the top end of the range.

To check for this, compare the 5th fret with the 17th fret, and the 7th fret with the 19th fret. If there is a problem, it may be necessary to compromise the 12th fret a tad to get acceptable intonation in the high register. If the guitar is seldom played above the 10th fret, though, it's obviously better to optimise the low end instead."

(My emphasis. wink.gif )


But regardless it is a bit of overkill as it's not that much of an issue on the vast majority of guitars. That and I'd say most of us get inherently used to our own guitars over the years and subconsciously adjust our playing to deal with things like small intonation issues.

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Sep 27 2007, 12:13 PM) *
(My emphasis. wink.gif )



Ok, Mr Smug - you do know what you are talking about wink.gif

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Sep 27 2007, 05:33 PM) *
One thing though is that I've found with some (not many) guitars that the intonation can appear (nearly) ok at 12th with single harmonics but if you check with the double at 7th and 19th it is then thrown. It can really demonstrate how close to true temper the fretting on the neck (and give an idea of profile, bowing etc).

It's also good for annoying the wannabe, smug, know all shop assistants in a minority of guitar shops tongue.gif wink.gif . Bit of overkill though laugh.gif .

Cheers,
Tony

EDIT - BTW I was really referring to checking intonation rather than tuning. My stupid for saying tuning. Duh slap wrist. Ouch.

Thanks for the input. I will have to learn to master this smile.gif
If you have time, please make a short sum up of the method and how to interpret the outcome with the bow of neck.


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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Sep 27 2007, 05:33 PM) *
laugh.gif probably Muris - doubles are probably over egging the cake (but fun).

One thing though is that I've found with some (not many) guitars that the intonation can appear (nearly) ok at 12th with single harmonics but if you check with the double at 7th and 19th it is then thrown. It can really demonstrate how close to true temper the fretting on the neck (and give an idea of profile, bowing etc).

It's also good for annoying the wannabe, smug, know all shop assistants in a minority of guitar shops tongue.gif wink.gif . Bit of overkill though laugh.gif .

Cheers,
Tony

EDIT - BTW I was really referring to checking intonation rather than tuning. My stupid for saying tuning. Duh slap wrist. Ouch.



Nooo,not stupid at all!!!
I prefer same way instead of tuning it in regular way.
I hit few chords here and there to be sure,can't remember when I was using 5th frets and 4th on G. wink.gif


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