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post Sep 27 2007, 07:19 PM
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gday mates,

im gettin a bit of a payout when i finish me apprenticeship at the end of this year and in thinkin f#%k it and im gonna go all out and buy meself a new amp...now i play guns n roses and very slash type stuff so im lookin at getting a marshall vintage modern 2466 head which is 100 watts..........now my questions are:

has anyone got one of these?
How are they ? what would u give it out of 10?
Do they sound very slash like?

now i have at the moment a vox adv30 watt amp which is good but doesnt give me the sound i want ( well not that i can find anyway) ...........i dont play in a band yet so 30 watts is plenty but im thinkin of just goin all out and gettin the 100 watt vintage modern even though i don't need that power yet but i will one day so i would have everything i needed when the time comes so what do u guys think about that? youse reckon that would be ok or would i regret it?......but im fair dinkum dyin for a marshall sound and i want the best i can get me filthy little paws on for that tone and slash sound. and in case u were wondering.....i dont give a s***about me neighbours. biggrin.gif

also if anyone has tried it did u need a distortion pedal or anything to go with it?

cheers mates

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post Sep 27 2007, 08:25 PM
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there's a 50W Vintage modern aswell, just so you know. I'm pretty sure that 99,9% of your playingtime you'd find 50W more useful than 100W.

Then there's a TSL 60W and DSL50W.

I'm pretty sure any of the above will get you close to Slash. After all, a Marshall is a Marshall cool.gif

Here's a demo of the DSL100


I like the DSL50!

I used to have a JCM800 50W and brother... I almost never played it crancked, too loud. And when I did it was only for a shorter time. Kidneys started to bleed wink.gif
I suggest you get a attenuator (even with the 50W) to get the Marshall tone at low volumes.


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post Sep 28 2007, 06:43 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Sep 28 2007, 05:25 AM) *
there's a 50W Vintage modern aswell, just so you know. I'm pretty sure that 99,9% of your playingtime you'd find 50W more useful than 100W.

Then there's a TSL 60W and DSL50W.

I'm pretty sure any of the above will get you close to Slash. After all, a Marshall is a Marshall cool.gif

Here's a demo of the DSL100
I like the DSL50!

I used to have a JCM800 50W and brother... I almost never played it crancked, too loud. And when I did it was only for a shorter time. Kidneys started to bleed wink.gif
I suggest you get a attenuator (even with the 50W) to get the Marshall tone at low volumes.



cheers for the input mate much appreciated, i checked out that demo and mate id have to say u have swayed me......i love the dsl100 that was the tone im after but im wondering do ya think that the dsl 50 watt would be suitable for gigs? say in a pub/bar or club or somethin coz if i get the amp i wont be gettin another one for a very long time thats why i thought id get the 100 watt but what do ya reckon mate? wink.gif


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post Sep 28 2007, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (slash85 @ Sep 28 2007, 07:43 PM) *
cheers for the input mate much appreciated, i checked out that demo and mate id have to say u have swayed me......i love the dsl100 that was the tone im after but im wondering do ya think that the dsl 50 watt would be suitable for gigs? say in a pub/bar or club or somethin coz if i get the amp i wont be gettin another one for a very long time thats why i thought id get the 100 watt but what do ya reckon mate? wink.gif

Slash proably has both a Vintage Modern and a DSL so I don't think you can go wrong with any of them smile.gif

The 50W is still 80% the loudness of 100W.

The advantages of a 50W are that you could play it more towards full than a 100W in the pub. Crank a 100W and people will leave, same with a 50W may be too loud too but you're use more of the total available effect.

Say you're playing in the pub putting out 40W of your 50W amp, that's at 80% of it's capacity. menaing the tubes are set to work hard, you'll get a real nice sound.
Same with the 100W, at 40W you're putting out 40%, it will still sound good but you'll lack the singing from the tubes.

If 100W is what you want then you should get that. I think 50W will be enough. But I'd hate to recommend you a 50W and you'll later find out you'll be playing outdoors with heavy wind in your face blowing the sound away and you'd need the extra wattage. It's likely a gig like that would go through a PA anyway but...

You WOULD get good sound from a 100W too, you can play at home at low volumes, pub gigs etc etc etc. No problem.


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post Sep 28 2007, 07:31 PM
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Slash plays jcm800's ONLY. If the jcm800 is too loud for your home etc. you can install a master volume switch to control the loudness while keeping the awesome tone. Or you can try the Jvm 410. It's a marshall amp with 4 channnels, with 3 diffrent sounds per channel, everything from clean to hi-gain.


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post Sep 28 2007, 08:00 PM
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righto mate no worries i think the 50 watt will do... u put up some good points although i wouldn't mind hearing a demo of the jcm 800 like zakk mentioned.....but im also wondering what type of speaker cabinet setup i should get with the head coz where im gettin it from i think the heads and cabs are sold separately blink.gif


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post Sep 28 2007, 08:28 PM
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QUOTE (ZakkWylde @ Sep 28 2007, 08:31 PM) *
Slash plays jcm800's ONLY.

I had a hard time beliving that and will check facts that are stated with a bit too much confidence wink.gif so I looked it up and found he's using or has been using the following amps

Vintage 1960's Marshall 1959 modified by Tim Caswell at SIR studios; used for the recording of Appetite for Destruction (Attempted to be stolen, but returned accidentally by a roadie)
2555SL Signature Head with EL-34 tubes
JCM-800 2203 Head with 6550 tubes
JCM 2555 Silver Jubilee (the grey/silver 25th Anniversary head from 1987 and the black edition from 1988)
50W Plexi model 1987 (from 1973)
Vintage Modern 2466 with KT-66 tubes
1960BV 4x12 Cabinet
60 Watt Celestion "Vintage 30" Speakers
1960BX 4x12 Cabinet
25 Watt Celestion "Greenback" Speakers
For the recording of Velvet Revolver's debut, he told Guitar Player magazine that he used a Vox AC30 and small Fender tube amps (for "oddball" sounds). Live, he only uses Marshalls.
For the recording of Velvet Revolver's second CD / Libertad, he told Total Guitar magazine that he used the new Marshall Vintage Modern 2466 amp.

I.e one JCM800 but not with EL34's but 6550 instead.
I also read that the 2555SL (Slash signature head) is built to sound like a JCM800 with some extra push, but completely handwired.


So lately for the Velvet Revolver record he used the Vintage Modern, that's in 2007.

About the cabinet, it's a matter of taste but I like the sound from Vintage 30's. Can't go wrong with those. biggrin.gif


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That's a question for MickeM cause I don't know which cabs to get for what head.


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post Sep 28 2007, 09:16 PM
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oi mate i was checkin out the dsl head 50 watt on the site that im gettin me amp from and the dsl 50 watt head is actually 300 bucks more expensive than the 100 watt which i think is either a fair dinkum sale or they a bloody mistake coz if its the 100watt is 300 bucks cheaper i may aswell get that just for the money savings im not sure though...................got another question mate.....im havin dramas trying to find a 50 watt speaker cabinet for the 50 watt (if i decide to buy it) but it shouldnt matter what wattage the speaker is as long as the wattage is above 50 watt eg a dsl 50 watt head with a 100watt speaker cab or 150 watt or whatever is this correct?


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post Sep 28 2007, 09:38 PM
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QUOTE (slash85 @ Sep 28 2007, 10:16 PM) *
oi mate i was checkin out the dsl head 50 watt on the site that im gettin me amp from and the dsl 50 watt head is actually 300 bucks more expensive than the 100 watt which i think is either a fair dinkum sale or they a bloody mistake coz if its the 100watt is 300 bucks cheaper i may aswell get that just for the money savings im not sure though...................got another question mate.....im havin dramas trying to find a 50 watt speaker cabinet for the 50 watt (if i decide to buy it) but it shouldnt matter what wattage the speaker is as long as the wattage is above 50 watt eg a dsl 50 watt head with a 100watt speaker cab or 150 watt or whatever is this correct?

if the 100W is 300 bucks cheaper there's nothing to even concider, get the 100W! biggrin.gif

About cabinets. I've got one 4x12 Marshall called 1960A (JCM900 cab) which has speakers in it that will scoop the mids a bit (G12T75), it's a cheap cabinet in the Marshall range and good for the buck. Personaly I like the mid frequencies in my guitar playing but whatever... it's an alright cab.
Then I have a 4x12 with Vintage 30's in it, it lets the mids through and I think the sound is clear and well defined. I like it a lot! Don' know which cabinet Marshall would have with Vintage 30's.

Anyway, I belive a DSL100 and the Marshall 1960A cab would make a good pair. You'll have a Marshall stack without spending a fortune.
There are in fact others that make cheaper cabs with other speakers... but they don't say Marshall which I guess is important to you aswell?


EDIT: then if you have the extra buck there's the JVM that ZakkWylde mentioned. It's supposed to be able to sound like any Marshall model you like.
And be aware that you can pickup a DSL100 in the used market quite cheap.

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post Oct 8 2007, 05:52 PM
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Some stuff to bare in mind when choosing amps;

dont ever judge an amp on the power output. That is a mistake, higher power output does not mean a louder amp. For starters, a 100W amp is only twice the output amplitude (what you would commonly call volume) of a 10W amp. This is because the relationship between dB (how we measure how loud a sound is) and output power is a logarithmic relationship.

The speakers are very often a more important element in determining output amplitude, if you want more sound, add more speakers. The more speaker space (how big the speakers are combined) will mean more air is getting pushed by your amp and thus more sound. The efficiency of those speakers is also very important, as the speakers will inevitably waste some of the energy generated by the amp.

remember that physical size is as important as the way the amp sounds, especially if your having to cart the thing to live shows. Twin 4x12" cabinets look great, but your roadies or your backbone will hate you and it takes up a lot of car space.

Low volume (amplitude) output is often a good thing. Particularly with valve amplifiers - if you want a classic valve orerdrive sound, a guitar amp typically creates this by driving it's power section very hard, which means that the amp will sound 'better' the higher you turn it up. However, if it's a 250W amp then you can't ever get the amp sounding its best as it'll deafen you and drown the rest of your band out. I have an 18W baby bluesbreaker, and even that is sometimes overkill.

Lower output amplitude is also good for your forward mix at a live show, it means less sound bleeds from the monitors into what the crowd hears and generally makes the job easier for your engineers.
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QUOTE (slash85 @ Sep 28 2007, 07:43 PM) *
cheers for the input mate much appreciated, i checked out that demo and mate id have to say u have swayed me......i love the dsl100 that was the tone im after but im wondering do ya think that the dsl 50 watt would be suitable for gigs? say in a pub/bar or club or somethin coz if i get the amp i wont be gettin another one for a very long time thats why i thought id get the 100 watt but what do ya reckon mate? wink.gif


One thing you must remember is that guitar amps are measured in RMS which is much louder than people think. I only have a 30watt peavey ( all valve ) amp and its volume goes from 1 - 12. In the limited gigging ive done i have never been able to crank it above 3. So im pretty sure that 50watt marshall will do the trick. Another thing is, the more you crank a tube amp, the better it sounds. So cranking a 50watt will be easier than a 100watt. Oh ya and a 100watt isnt exactly twice as loud as a 50watt. Hope it helps.
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hey!

i also looking for a slash tone=)
im thinking of getting a jcm 900 4500, or are they to much of a metal amp?


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QUOTE (Sagolik @ Oct 13 2007, 03:53 AM) *
hey!

i also looking for a slash tone=)
im thinking of getting a jcm 900 4500, or are they to much of a metal amp?

I used to have a JCM800 and it was sleepy until you had lots of gain and volume but oh boy was it smashing then. Good for Slash tone but has to be LOUD, when it's not it's pretty lame.
A more modern amp should have a better tone even on low volumes.

Or you could get an attenuator with the amp to be able to crank it and still play scilently. Downside is that the attenuator probably cost as much as the amp itself...


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