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post Oct 8 2007, 08:33 AM
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I am seriously considering getting an epiphone les paul.
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post Oct 8 2007, 09:08 AM
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I bought a Epi jr . when I 1st got back into Electric Guitars...it was just for fun cause I realy just played my accoustic alot....but I started to notice these little particals all over the neck....so I took it back and got a Nice black Standerd .. ( I think....black body trimmed in white with gold pickups ) very nice guitar...but it started to do the same thing....on closer examination I noticed that the frets where starting to wear down and those little particals where actualy comeing from the frets...... So at this point I was ready to take it back to see what they could do.....but thats when my wife told me she was pregnat...so I took the guitar back...showed the guys at the store.....and they made me a sweet deal on a Gibson Les Paul Studio ...... ( My last frivelouse toy ) My mother in-law who loves rock music said she could tell how the tones of the guitar changed from each and that my new Studio sounded wonderfull...... If I where you.....Save a little more Money and just buy the Gibson Les Paul.... but that's just me and my experiance ..

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post Oct 8 2007, 10:27 AM
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QUOTE (Delusions of Granduer @ Oct 8 2007, 04:08 AM) *
I bought a Epi jr . when I 1st got back into Electric Guitars...it was just for fun cause I realy just played my accoustic alot....but I started to notice these little particals all over the neck....so I took it back and got a Nice black Standerd .. ( I think....black body trimmed in white with gold pickups ) very nice guitar...but it started to do the same thing....on closer examination I noticed that the frets where starting to wear down and those little particals where actualy comeing from the frets...... So at this point I was ready to take it back to see what they could do.....but thats when my wife told me she was pregnat...so I took the guitar back...showed the guys at the store.....and they made me a sweet deal on a Gibson Les Paul Studio ...... ( My last frivelouse toy ) My mother in-law who loves rock music said she could tell how the tones of the guitar changed from each and that my new Studio sounded wonderfull...... If I where you.....Save a little more Money and just buy the Gibson Les Paul.... but that's just me and my experiance ..


For the price of a Gibson LP Studio you can buy an Ibanez RG Prestige and a Vox Valvetronix Amp and still have enough left over to buy a fancy new strap for your new guitar, a couple packs of strings and some polish.

I recently bought an Ibanez RG 1570 Prestige and just love it, When I went shopping I was torn between an Ibanez or a Gibson LP. I knew it was the Ibanez as soon as I picked it up and played it. Do yourself a favor, before you buy anything go play an Ibanez Rg Prestige, then make up your mind.


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post Oct 8 2007, 10:50 AM
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As much a I would love a gibson les paul, its kinda out of the price range, and i dont have a job so theres not a whole lot of saving up to be done.
I love the sound of gabriel Les Paul so thats why im looking into them, but I really love my acoustic-electric Ibanez AW
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post Oct 8 2007, 10:51 AM
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Defanatley check out other guitars too........ I should have shoped more before I bought mine.....not saying I don't love it.....But RobM makes a great point.....If you could make yourself up a package like that...then you may want to check out more guitars... But I wouldn't by a Valvetronic.. they sound great...but quality sucks...... 2 cents.....


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post Oct 8 2007, 10:59 AM
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QUOTE (RyanAW @ Oct 8 2007, 04:50 AM) *
As much a I would love a gibson les paul, its kinda out of the price range, and i dont have a job so theres not a whole lot of saving up to be done.
I love the sound of gabriel Les Paul so thats why im looking into them, but I really love my acoustic-electric Ibanez AW


whenever I hear some song, some standard, a cover on youtube, played on a gibson les paul, that normally the Ibanez cult (or Ibanez cult clones) have the monopoly on, I am struck with how much better it sounds to me on the les paul. I know the Ibanez guitars are much better, the card carrying cult members here have said so many times. So I am very confused by all this.

edit: Gibson does put the studios on sale at times, they did last year about this time, took off $200. I would save up for one of those, they sound as good as a standard, they really do.

also consider getting a used one on ebay. if you know what you are doing ebay wise, you can be pretty darn sure the seller is reputable. but only if you know what you are doing, how to judge a seller. if you are careful, and patient, I bet you can get yourself a nice used one in great shape, a black one like Gabriel's for maybe $600-700.

the big thing if you buy one used, besides a seller with a track record, is that the neck and frets are fine. I look for a reputable dealer with a track record, and then get him to guarantee that when the action is set to standard there is no excessive fret buzz anywhere, and also that the neck is not twisted, and that the truss rod works fine (it can be both tightened and loosened). With that adjusted, both sides of the neck should have about the same (very slight) bow. You don't want a twisted neck.

After 1 year these manufacturers don't replace frets, so even if you have a warranty, if you have a neck problem, and they have to take out the frets (they will) you will have to pay for most of it. Besides waiting a zillion years to get warranty service. So buying used is not a bad idea if you know what you are doing.

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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 8 2007, 11:59 AM) *
whenever I hear some song, some standard, a cover on youtube, played on a gibson les paul, that normally the Ibanez cult (or Ibanez cult clones) have the monopoly on, I am struck with how much better it sounds to me on the les paul. I know the Ibanez guitars are much better, the card carrying cult members here have said so many times. So I am very confused by all this.

Maple top on Mahogany beats Basswood for tone.
Tunomatic with a stopbar beats Floyd Rose for tone.

I know that information don't help so I guess you just have to carry on with being confused

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post Oct 8 2007, 04:30 PM
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I just have to add that when your buying a gibson the quality will vary alot. I personally thought the feel of the LP Studios to be really poor, but don't take my work for it. The neck just felt really cheap! SG's have a really nice feel to them..

Since you're not going to be accumulating more cash! Check out some of the custom epiphones (not really custom :-p!). The silverburst custom is supposed to be really good quality for an epiphone. Also consider what is most important to your sound. Maybe you don't want those stock pickups sad.gif. I have a bad habbit of being impulsive; don't be like me! Check out your local shop wink.gif
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Not sure about the Studio but most (all?) Gibson Standards and Customs you have a choice between a 50's and a 60's profile neck. There's a big difference and so it's worth checking. Might also be true for an Epi.

I agree with fkalich and MickeM about tone. May just be old age setting in in my case though wink.gif but I do think an LP sounds better.

One minor point - if you do manage to get a Gibson it should hold its value better then the Epi and I dare say most guitar with the exception of a PRS and Fender. Now if you look around it is possible (certainly in Europe) to still get a PRS single cut CE pretty cheap.

Differences between the models. AFAIK for Gibsons (and I assume Epis are the same):

Custom and Standards are very similar except the Custom has an aesthetically higher standard of finish. It has multiple binding black/white or black/cream binding. Binding includes the headstock. The headstock on a custom also has the large mother of pearl split parallelogram. The Custom and the Standard have carved AA or AAA/AAA+ maple body caps, the Studio has a carved maple cap. The Studio has no binding and doesn't have the Burstbucker pickups (I don't think any Epi has these). I think the neck trapezoidal markers are pearloid rather then mother-of-pearl on a Studio. Afraid I know nothing about the Ultra though.

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Its not quite this simple, but for me, Gibson LP is about tone - oodles of sustain, big warm sound.

Ibanez is about playability - thin necks, great locking tremelo.

The very things that Ibanez do for playability affect the tone, so as ever it is a compromise.

I want both. I have a Jem, I will own an LP one day. I'll use my Jem for fast heavy riffy stuff. I'll use my LP for slow, hanging cleanish sustain.

And I suspect that fkalich will say that you can get used to the feel of an LP and play it as fast as an ibanez - he is almost certainly right. Thin necks and the gubbins probably really matter for people like Steve Vai for an extra 1%, but its not the guitar that makes you play well and fast and clean, it is the hours of practice. Steve Vai on an LP would still blow you away, even though he might be upset at the 1% speed reduction smile.gif

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QUOTE (RyanAW @ Oct 8 2007, 11:50 AM) *
As much a I would love a gibson les paul, its kinda out of the price range, and i dont have a job so theres not a whole lot of saving up to be done.
I love the sound of gabriel Les Paul so thats why im looking into them, but I really love my acoustic-electric Ibanez AW


An epiphone les paul is far than good enough. If you get it, just change its puckups and put some Seymour duncans in. It will really give you an amazing sound. Another option is to get real gibson pickups in and you will come very close to a real gibson les paul sound. Ive seen some gibsons that come out made worse than really crappy guitars.
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 8 2007, 09:19 PM) *
he might be upset at the 1% speed reduction smile.gif

laugh.gif I picture him attempting ripping at a LP going - DARN this 1% speed reduction!!!!


I wonder who's the prime shredder on LP? Zakk Wylde is the only one I get from the top of my head but I'm surepeople in this forum knows a few biggrin.gif


QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Oct 8 2007, 09:29 PM) *
An epiphone les paul is far than good enough.

I beg to differ... at least a little bit. In one way what you say is true, two Epi LP's side by side can sound different. When I got my Epi I tested a few in the store, including a very beautiful Gibson LP. The Gibson was awesome, then I found an Epi that was similar in sound. Well the Gibson was a tad nicer but not worth paying three times more.
So if you look close and try out enough Epi's you may struck gold.


...now I changed the pu's anyway. Put a DiMarzio Superdistortion in the bridge and moved the bride to the neck position but that's another story. It used to be a bluesy/rocky guitar... I was looking for mayhem laugh.gif


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You can definatly shred awsome on a Les Paul - just look at Buckethead his technique is insane!! Uber fast, precise and darn right unbelivable at times biggrin.gif

Like andrew, i would like both an Ibanez and a Gibson Les paul, but use both for very different things.


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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 8 2007, 05:59 AM) *
whenever I hear some song, some standard, a cover on youtube, played on a gibson les paul, that normally the Ibanez cult (or Ibanez cult clones) have the monopoly on, I am struck with how much better it sounds to me on the les paul. I know the Ibanez guitars are much better, the card carrying cult members here have said so many times. So I am very confused by all this.

edit: Gibson does put the studios on sale at times, they did last year about this time, took off $200. I would save up for one of those, they sound as good as a standard, they really do.

also consider getting a used one on ebay. if you know what you are doing ebay wise, you can be pretty darn sure the seller is reputable. but only if you know what you are doing, how to judge a seller. if you are careful, and patient, I bet you can get yourself a nice used one in great shape, a black one like Gabriel's for maybe $600-700.

the big thing if you buy one used, besides a seller with a track record, is that the neck and frets are fine. I look for a reputable dealer with a track record, and then get him to guarantee that when the action is set to standard there is no excessive fret buzz anywhere, and also that the neck is not twisted, and that the truss rod works fine (it can be both tightened and loosened). With that adjusted, both sides of the neck should have about the same (very slight) bow. You don't want a twisted neck.

After 1 year these manufacturers don't replace frets, so even if you have a warranty, if you have a neck problem, and they have to take out the frets (they will) you will have to pay for most of it. Besides waiting a zillion years to get warranty service. So buying used is not a bad idea if you know what you are doing.

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I don't know if you'd call me a member of the Ibanez cult, I've owned many guitars but the ones that I kept were mostly IBZ tongue.gif.

I prefer IBZ because of the necks, both the profile and the option of having 24 frets. The 24 frets is critical for me to access the higher frets while playing standing up as I've a very wide frame. I personally don't like the feel of the LP neck. I believe my S has a mahogany body w/ maple top, it sounds pretty mean, but does not have the sustain of an LP.

Also consider what you'll be using the guitar for. If you're going to be seated more, standing more, who you're playing to, how much of the time will you plug in, etc etc. These should all affect your decision.


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I dont have a Epiphone LP but an SG and its good enough for me smile.gif


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i have an epiphone lp standard honey burst. i eventually put seymour duncans in it (jb in bridge-jazz in neck )the factory pick ups are ok but if you upgrade the pick ups, that guitar will be be wide open, also i purchased the lp for versatility, i play to many different styles and all around the lp is the best choice in my eyes, epi or gibson. but as a side note if you can find the samick lp copys made about 8 years ago those were cheap and played great, so like everybody has said shop around hit up some used guitar shops and somtimes you will stumble upon "THE" guitar it may not even be an lp body you never know. good luck on your quest.
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