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Muris Varajic
post Oct 13 2007, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 13 2007, 10:22 AM) *
If nothing else, +1 for slower backing tracks ...



Yeah,slower backing are fine,will add few more for next lessons.

Plus,you can change speed in GP file and turn metronome on.

Let's see what Kris has to say about it.


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post Oct 13 2007, 05:37 PM
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QUOTE (muris @ Oct 13 2007, 09:14 AM) *
Must say few more things here. smile.gif
First,adding BT to GP file is huge job,don't get me wrong guys...
But playing whole lesson at few speeds is something we don't have agreement for.


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post Oct 13 2007, 10:17 PM
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I am no shredder by any means, nor am I instructor quality. But I think if a lesson is too much for us individually we need to go back and work on something more our speed. Perfect the stuff in lessons that we have ability to play and not progress to more difficult lessons until we have mastered the easier ones for us. I am restricted as to what lessons I am learning based on ability and technique, because of this moving to more advanced lessons seems silly to me. Many lessons are intimidating and if they are , it shows me that I need to focus on something within my skill level. I hope I did not offend anyone, I just think putting the cart before the horse is a recipe for learning the wrong way with poor technique. If I misunderstood any posts here, my apologies in advance.


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Understudy: you got a good point there and i agree with you! smile.gif


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post Oct 14 2007, 02:33 AM
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QUOTE (Understudy @ Oct 13 2007, 03:17 PM) *
I am no shredder by any means, nor am I instructor quality. But I think if a lesson is too much for us individually we need to go back and work on something more our speed. Perfect the stuff in lessons that we have ability to play and not progress to more difficult lessons until we have mastered the easier ones for us. I am restricted as to what lessons I am learning based on ability and technique, because of this moving to more advanced lessons seems silly to me. Many lessons are intimidating and if they are , it shows me that I need to focus on something within my skill level. I hope I did not offend anyone, I just think putting the cart before the horse is a recipe for learning the wrong way with poor technique. If I misunderstood any posts here, my apologies in advance.


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post Oct 14 2007, 03:05 AM
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Funny how my original request of...

QUOTE (leedbreak @ Oct 12 2007, 08:06 AM) *
Instructors please consider (while creating a lesson about fast picking) make a complete video of you playing with the slowest backing track you post, as well as the fastest. Man that would help a ton.



Got so blown ridiculously out of proportion. People are talking like I said change all the lesson formats to a totally new design. I just asked our instructors to show how cool and more so how possible playing with the slower backing tracks can be. And that was all.

The lessons are not intimidating, it is the speed that is. The worse thing that could happen to any student is for them to say I will never play it that fast so why try. I have heard many say something like this already. But if a student sees a speed that he may actually be able to shoot for in the short term they are more likely to want to learn the lesson.


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post Oct 14 2007, 05:42 AM
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From my perspective, the main thing to me would be if the backing was in the GP file, since then I can use the metronome practice in there to slow it down to whatever speed I want.

Personally, the GP files have been absolutely INVALUABLE, and the main reason I joined the site. My music computer does not have internet access, so my workflow is to check out a video, say "omg that's awesome and looks fun ( yeah, pretty much all of em )", get the GP transfered over to my other system in the front room ( so the kids can watch me practice and I can help them with homework or check out their art, etc ).

A lot of the stuff is beyond my ability technically to do at full speed right now - but I still love playing it even if it has to be at my slowby, non-shredder tempos! The GP files more than anything help me do that at MY speed on MY time. I cry big salty tears everytime I see a really cool lesson and don't have GP tab for it, since I almost never have the opportunity to sit at this computer and watch the vid as I follow with the txt tab, and that means I probably won't get a chance to really play the lesson.

Anyway, I love the site, it's offerings, and the community. I've played guitar for so long and never ventured into playing lead, always figuring it was so far beyond my ability. Now because of GMC I've discovered how much fun I can have venturing into new realms of expressiveness with my little lead parts.


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post Oct 14 2007, 06:24 AM
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Ouch,still no sign of Kris here... huh.gif


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post Oct 14 2007, 06:30 AM
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I guess he's too busy learning all the new lessons on GMC biggrin.gif biggrin.gif No time to read forum biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


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post Oct 14 2007, 06:53 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Oct 14 2007, 07:30 AM) *
I guess he's too busy learning all the new lessons on GMC biggrin.gif biggrin.gif No time to read forum biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


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Yeah, well, it would be cool if Kris put his opinion here! smile.gif


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post Oct 14 2007, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Oct 13 2007, 11:30 PM) *
I guess he's too busy learning all the new lessons on GMC biggrin.gif biggrin.gif No time to read forum biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


dang, i think he's having alot of trouble with the 101 lessons tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Oct 14 2007, 01:26 PM
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I have no problem with the backing tracks. Sorry, I consider them pretty useless at any speed. In fact less than useless. They make you sound better. Correct. Extend that. They fool you into thinking you sound better than you really do. I really believe that. All this backing is counter productive for people in the learning stages. It is just play time, but using a straight metronome is much more productive, because then you really listen to yourself, your flaws are not covered up by a bunch of backing.

The things I would like are

1) Fingering at the top. Don't know why nobody bothers with that. Now I care less than I used to, in fact, I care little now, I finger it like I want to, and the fingering of the teacher is typically predicable to me at this point. Except that i believe Muris used his pinky for a vibrato. That was unusual, and it is something I have tried to do from the beginning.

2) Some of the instructors loose the correct rhythm when they slow it down. Not all. Some are careful to keep the correct rhythm. But not all of them. I have had to slow down the fast version on my own, which is no big deal, so I don't care so much. But sometimes the rhythm is really important. I will give an example, as I think this guy is gone now.

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/solo-guit...cking/index.htm

The key to the lesson was the rhythm, a simple thing. But he totally missed the rhythm on the slow part, absolutely wrong.

There are others, but I will leave it there, rhythm is half of it, most of it, and even on the slow parts, the teachers need to capture that, as those who do indeed capture it will agree I am sure.

So bottom line, I have few complaints, this site is great as far as I am concerned, I am getting much more than my money's worth. But at first, the lack of fingerings was troublesome, made it difficult when I was just starting out. And if the rhythm is important, and they don't capture that on the slow part, it means I have to do a bit a work on my own.

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Well there's alot of different opinions here and i can understand where most are coming from smile.gif .Its pretty cool that we have a site that you can discuss changes in lessons and add ons with the instructor's.I think the instructor's have went out of there way lots of times to improve there lessons for are member's.Everybody's different and we all learn different too.I can see how having a speed in the middle like Leadbreak said would help some people.Personaly for me though i agree alot with Understudy if its to difficult to learn at regular and then slow speeds it may just be too advanced for the player and they should work on some other lessons first.So for me it really wouldnt make a difference ,but im just one guy tongue.gif Also i never use Guitar Pro software.You do have to think about how much work the instructor's put into each lesson right now for what they get to do it.Like thats allot of work and especially all the new stuff like different camera angles ect ect.Just like to say for me i'm really impressed with how the lessons have been and i cant ask for more,execpt more lessons laugh.gif and maybe some thrash style rythem lessons played at fast speeds.Keep up the good work guy's wink.gif


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Again, I did not intend to stir all this up. I had no earthly idea there would be this many opinions. And, It started so innocent, too.

I was working on Pavel's Alt 4 lesson trying to get it clean at a decent speed. I just thought to myself, "man I would love to see him play it at this speed" That is why the original post contained the word consider (means in the English language "just think about it"). I knew if he did it with his abilities, it would be so clean and so pretty that it would just motivate the stew out of me and maybe others as well.

I am learning the lessons at record pace for me personally so nothing needs changing. My playing as already past what I hope to get from joining the site, and I feel I am just getting started.
I just thought it was a good idea.

Kris, when you do get a chance to read this Thread or should we call it a novel now. Just please remember I would never post anything to start any trouble I just want to play guitar as good as I can and nothing more.


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post Oct 14 2007, 10:51 PM
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No need to be sorry at all Jason,we understand you fully,
it's just that everyone has different abilities and needs.
Perhaps feature like private webcam class shall be the hit for you wink.gif


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Jason, please don't appologize. I did not intend on ruffling any feathers with my post either. I was simply stating my opinion, and again if I misunderstood any other posts I appologized in advance. We are all in the same boat, wanting and needing to expand our skill level and abilities. And with that said, we all do it in different ways that fit our needs and styles. My methods for practice surely differ from everyone elses as do the things I practice and consider important to my progression and developement. Everyone here on this site seems to be a tight knit unit of support and information, and in no way was I trying to discredit your post or request. All the best in your learning and developement Jason.

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Maybe a bit OT - but I'd say that the last few posts from Leedbreak, Muris and Understudy really for me help encapsulate why GMC is such a good site. As people often say the forum members here are nice people who are genuinely out to help.

Personally, I don't think any apologies were/are necessary for the thread as it's all been done with good intentions...




...and in the best possible taste (very old reference to Kenny Everett there wink.gif).

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QUOTE (Understudy @ Oct 14 2007, 07:08 PM) *
Jason, please don't appologize. I did not intend on ruffling any feathers with my post either. I was simply stating my opinion, and again if I misunderstood any other posts I appologized in advance. We are all in the same boat, wanting and needing to expand our skill level and abilities. And with that said, we all do it in different ways that fit our needs and styles. My methods for practice surely differ from everyone elses as do the things I practice and consider important to my progression and developement. Everyone here on this site seems to be a tight knit unit of support and information, and in no way was I trying to discredit your post or request. All the best in your learning and developement Jason.

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All i was doing was expressing my own opinion.I have no problems and took nothing that anyone said offensive.Was just stating my side and how i felt. wink.gif


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