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post Oct 13 2007, 03:47 AM
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Ok well, Im returning my Kustom amp because it is not the "tone" I am looking for. I decided to wait a little longer to get the "amp" for me. Lately ive been looking at Marshall heads and saw the Valvestate 50h for about $250 US. They said the valvestate heads are like the famous Valve sound on Marshall but in a Solid-State mode. Sounds goods from paper. Anyone ever played this head? What are the tonal capabilities. Im specifically looking for a metal tone w/ massive amount of feedback.


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post Oct 13 2007, 05:17 AM
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QUOTE (VinceG @ Oct 13 2007, 04:47 AM) *
Ok well, Im returning my Kustom amp because it is not the "tone" I am looking for. I decided to wait a little longer to get the "amp" for me. Lately ive been looking at Marshall heads and saw the Valvestate 50h for about $250 US. They said the valvestate heads are like the famous Valve sound on Marshall but in a Solid-State mode. Sounds goods from paper. Anyone ever played this head? What are the tonal capabilities. Im specifically looking for a metal tone w/ massive amount of feedback.

A friend of mine has a Valvestate 2x12 combo... what's it's name, 8020 or something with 12AX7 in the preamp. Not in production any longer. He's going to use this until it explodes, it's input jack is getting bad and is impossible to exchange according to the store that got it for repair. Just too much stuff built around it they said. Knobs go *crackel* when turned... it's a worn amp. So why use it till it dies? Well, he tried sereval other valvestate amps of the exact same model and he says they suck so bad compared to his. That can happen when tubes are involved.
I can agree that his amp sound very good and have to take his word for that other valvestate sound bad.

I played another valvestate for a few months at one point (I had no other option), it was VS100H which would correspond to the 50H you're looking at and boy was that a bad amp. Sounded like something from Toys R Us. Impossible to key in a useful sound no matter the genre you wanted to play. Rock, blues, metal, you name it. It was just not possible.

I would never get one of those for myself and I can't recommend them to anyone else.


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post Oct 13 2007, 08:21 AM
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Not sure about he actual internal setup of a valve state so a question:

Is the valve part pre or power amp? If it's the former then arguably you will not get a really good saturated valve tone as you need the power amp valves to cook to do that? (Andrew and MickeM will know more as they build valve amps.)

I'm guessing that the valve state is valve pre as it would be cheaper to manufacture then the latter. Even if it's valve power a lot of Marshalls have really different power amp tube stages - particularly at the transformer end - and this alters the tone quite a bit. I've only heard two Marshall valve states - and neither for very long - and was not enamored of either.

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Oct 13 2007, 03:21 AM) *
Not sure about he actual internal setup of a valve state so a question:

Is the valve part pre or power amp? If it's the former then arguably you will not get a really good saturated valve tone as you need the power amp valves to cook to do that? (Andrew and MickeM will no more as they build valve amps.)

I'm guessing that the valve state is valve pre as it would be cheaper to manufacture then the latter. Even if it's valve power a lot of Marshalls have really different power amp tube stages - particularly at the transformer end - and this alters the tone quite a bit. I've only heard two Marshall valve states - and neither for very long - and was not enamored of either.

Cheers,
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Valve pres can get you a hi-gain type of sound if you drive them hard enough, but on their own they just tend to sound fizzy, and are usually just a marketing ploy, as most valve sound comes from the power tubes.


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post Oct 13 2007, 02:14 PM
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The valvestate amps are pretty popular among death metallers and pretty much nothing else, I have one myself (8040, not in production) and it's not a very good amp at all. I can get pretty much any sound i want from blues to metal, it's just that none of them sound good. Or ok yeah, it does one thing pretty well, and that's the raw guitar sound from the first metallica record, but that's not great by any means.
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