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post Oct 14 2007, 11:12 PM
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Happy day to you Muris,
I have been looking at major/minor/pentatonic scales and learning them all around the fretboard. Today I am going to try to put a few chords into the mix. I have a few major and minor chords I am using and just to spice it up a bit I am going to try to add a few augmented chords as well. I just want to make sure I am certain on the formulas used here. I can change any major chord to augmented by simply adding a #5th. Or to change to a diminished chord I can simply change to a b3rd and b5th. Now when changing to these chords do I also need to change the root of my scale to match the changes in the chord structure ? If I use the standard scale will it be incorrect ? Thanks in advance smile.gif

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post Oct 15 2007, 01:26 AM
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Hi Ronnie smile.gif

A bit complex question but will do my best
regarding to my english which I haven't learned in school wink.gif

You're right about making aug and dim chords,
adding #5 to major or b3 to minor chord.

But how this works in regular scales(major or minor)?
There's no aug chord in these scales,
only dim on 2nd degree in minor scale or on 7th degree in major scale.
But if we play harmonic minor,things are bit different.
Now we have dim on 2nd and 7th degree,plus aug on 3rd degree.

This is when we are following our scale and make chords from it.
Everything else is alteration,sort of "out" of scale.

If you have some specific example you've been playing on,
just let me know,will try to explain it. smile.gif

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post Oct 15 2007, 02:12 AM
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Thanks Muris, so basically there is a place for these but not in standard scales. I will not try to incorporate these in my experimentation tongue.gif


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post Oct 15 2007, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE (Understudy @ Oct 15 2007, 03:12 AM) *
Thanks Muris, so basically there is a place for these but not in standard scales. I will not try to incorporate these in my experimentation tongue.gif



Ohh nooo,go ahead with experiment! smile.gif

I just said that those chords aren't so often in basic diatonic scales.
Per example,try aug on 5th degree,major or minor scale,doesn't matter.
It'll give you nice jazzy sound wink.gif


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post Oct 15 2007, 02:42 AM
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LOL ok experiment is back on. I have been goofing around today with some of these and they seem to have unique expressions so that is why I posted my question. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to add a bunch of stuff that was way out of place. As always thanks again


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post Oct 15 2007, 02:43 AM
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QUOTE (Understudy @ Oct 15 2007, 03:42 AM) *
LOL ok experiment is back on. I have been goofing around today with some of these and they seem to have unique expressions so that is why I posted my question. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't going to add a bunch of stuff that was way out of place. As always thanks again


Glad you're having fun with it,you're welcome! smile.gif


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QUOTE (muris @ Oct 14 2007, 07:34 PM) *
Ohh nooo,go ahead with experiment! smile.gif

I just said that those chords aren't so often in basic diatonic scales.
Per example,try aug on 5th degree,major or minor scale,doesn't matter.
It'll give you nice jazzy sound wink.gif


+1 for all that Muris has said.

Only other bit is that to some extent augmented and diminished chords don't to some extent 'fit' the normal major and minor chord families - and maybe why hence they aren't so often in basic daitonic - but are closest to (but not really from) the dominant (cf a Dom7b9 with the dim 7th).


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post Oct 16 2007, 02:50 AM
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Well said Tony,one alteration and we have bunch on nice chords smile.gif


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