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post Oct 21 2007, 10:39 PM
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Hi Muris!
Ok, I think I'm ready to start my recording experimentations
(I can't tell you how long it took me to figure out the basics of Cubase) mad.gif
I've played around with Artist Drums and it's great fun! That's what you use, right? wink.gif
I'm hopefully ready to put into practice what I'we learned in these few months of guitar studying.
Drums, a pad and a bass will be fine?
Btw, could you advise me a few cool chord progressions in both major and minor?
The ones I come up with are just a few and sound quite boring I guess.
That would be very kind of you.
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post Oct 21 2007, 10:45 PM
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Yep,drums,pad and bass would be more than great for decent backing.
You could add some riffing stuff latter on too. wink.gif
Chord progressions...
Ok,here/s major one,in Key of C
C,Dm,F G,C,Em,G,G
Minor one,key of Em
Em,Am,G,D,Bm,C,D,Em

Good thing is Help feature in Cubase.
I know many try to avoid it,
looks boring or som but I hope that's not the case with you. wink.gif

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post Oct 21 2007, 11:01 PM
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QUOTE (muris @ Oct 21 2007, 11:45 PM) *
Yep,drums,pad and bass would be more than great for decent backing.
You could add some riffing stuff latter on too. wink.gif
Chord progressions...
Ok,here/s major one,in Key of C
C,Dm,F G,C,Em,G,G
Minor one,key of Em
Em,Am,G,D,Bm,C,D,Em

Good thing is Help feature in Cubase.
I know many try to avoid it,
looks boring or som but I hope that's not the case with you. wink.gif

Cheers Eddie smile.gif



Cool! Thanks for the quick reply!
Muris, I LOVE help, eversince the Beatles did it! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
Just kidding, I actually learned most of what I know (which is little) using the help feature.
Thank you for the chord progression.
I'll try adding riffing stuff with the guitar.
It might take some time though...
Hope nobody's going to laugh at me. blink.gif
BTW, what is latency? Because I have a Direct Monitoring option on my audio interface
and the manual only says that it has to be used in case of high latency.
Thank you, Eddie
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Muris Varajic
post Oct 22 2007, 12:37 AM
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Help is cool,Beatles tune too. smile.gif

Latency is sort of delay.easy to notice when you're using VSTs or any plug-in on the channel.
Let's say you put some efx like chorus on the channel made for recording.
And you want to hear chorus while recording,not only after.
Then you press Direct Monitoring to actually HEAR sound FROM the channel.
And that's when latency comes up.
If it's high,you'll have delayed sound from the channel(sound with chorus you added before).

P.S.: Direct Monitoring I'm talking about is the one on the audio channel in Cubase. smile.gif

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+1 As Muris says it's more or less the time taken between your playing the note and hearing it.

There is always latency but if it's low enough then we don't notice it. If it gets to big then it can be problematic. Just imagine Eddie trying to play something where you hear what you play but delayed by say 1 second - it will really start to mess up your timing.

Low latency is generally seen as the way to go but the lower you go the harder your pc and soundcard have to work. So there is a cut off/threshold at which the 'gain' equals the 'cost' - for me that's about 5msecs (unless I'm playing a keyboard then its about 3 minutes as I try and figure out where middle c is again blink.gif ).

Some music sequencers now have a feature called delay compensation which helps with perceived latency. Cubase - which Muris mentioned and uses- is one.

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post Oct 22 2007, 01:23 AM
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Hi Tony! Good to hear (read) from you!
Thank you both for the info... I think I've got it sorted out somehow.
Did a lot of fumbling around! But there's one thing that I did notice:
If I open an audio track and "play" guitar through a VST, I get some delay.
If to that I add some compression (thank you Tony for your explanations) I get even more delay.
I guess that means that the more I add in cubase the more latency I get.
But if I play through my line 6 pod without effects (I mean cubase effects or VSTs')
of any sort, I get no delay at all!
So direct monitoring means that I hear what I'm doing in real time,
without the effects I've chosen because they cause the latency.
I hope this makes sense, sorry for explaining myself
like this but I'm new to guitar and recording. blink.gif
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post Oct 22 2007, 01:26 AM
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You should only hear the delay when you are playing. On playback with effects in place cubase should compensate for the delay and it should be in time.


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post Oct 22 2007, 01:28 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 22 2007, 02:26 AM) *
You should only hear the delay when you are playing. On playback with effects in place cubase should compensate for the delay and it should be in time.


Hi Andrew.
Yes, I hear it only when I'm playing.
Once it's recorded everything is fine.
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post Oct 22 2007, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE (eddiecat @ Oct 22 2007, 02:28 AM) *
Hi Andrew.
Yes, I hear it only when I'm playing.
Once it's recorded everything is fine.


Yep,you'll hear it if Direct Monitoring is ON smile.gif
I'm listening to my real-time playing through monitor out on audio card,
that's how I avoid all latency and stuff from Cubase. wink.gif


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post Nov 2 2007, 02:47 AM
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Hi Muris!
I finally did my first recording of my improvements. It took me all day! smile.gif
I used the chords in E min you gave me.
I hope you "like" it. I couldn't possibly do any better... sad.gif
Comments are more than welcome, but please don't be too hard on me!!!
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post Nov 2 2007, 03:05 AM
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Ohh,why should I be hard on you Eddie,this is really fine take!! smile.gif
Compact phrasing without too many notes,has lots of sense imo.
And now I do have a question.
Which scale/scales did you use? wink.gif


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post Nov 2 2007, 03:25 AM
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QUOTE (muris @ Nov 2 2007, 03:05 AM) *
Ohh,why should I be hard on you Eddie,this is really fine take!! smile.gif
Compact phrasing without too many notes,has lots of sense imo.
And now I do have a question.
Which scale/scales did you use? wink.gif


Hi Muris, I'm very happy you liked it!

I used E min pentatonic, E min blues scale (I used the blue note)
and E Aeolian very shortly, in the ascending part.
I have a quetion for you now:
let's say the chords go E min, A min, G, D.
If I start my solo in E min, when the chord switches to Amin can I modulate playing let's say A min pentatonic
over my Amin chord? I've tried that, and it didn't sound too bad...

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Apologies beforehand for jumping in, but just have to say real quickly : Nice job Eddie! It's very pleasing on the ear with the selection of notes and the recording sounds nice as well! smile.gif


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post Nov 2 2007, 03:33 AM
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QUOTE (exorcyze @ Nov 2 2007, 03:26 AM) *
Apologies beforehand for jumping in, but just have to say real quickly : Nice job Eddie! It's very pleasing on the ear with the selection of notes and the recording sounds nice as well! smile.gif


Thank you exorcyze!
Very appreciated!!!!! Wow!
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QUOTE (eddiecat @ Nov 2 2007, 03:25 AM) *
Hi Muris, I'm very happy you liked it!

I used E min pentatonic, E min blues scale (I used the blue note)
and E Aeolian very shortly, in the ascending part.
I have a quetion for you now:
let's say the chords go E min, A min, G, D.
If I start my solo in E min, when the chord switches to Amin can I modulate playing let's say A min pentatonic
over my Amin chord? I've tried that, and it didn't sound too bad...

Cheers, Eddie


Of course you can. smile.gif
Am pentatonic is already in Em scale,same thing with Bm/D pentatonic scale.
Try that one over D chord. wink.gif


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And Muris, very soon I'm going to do the same thing in major with the chord progression in C you gave me.
I had lots of fun doing this recording and learnt even more. Cubase is so much fun, guitar studying even more!
Thank you for your teaching! smile.gif



QUOTE (muris @ Nov 2 2007, 03:35 AM) *
Of course you can. smile.gif
Am pentatonic is already in Em scale,same thing with Bm/D pentatonic scale.
Try that one over D chord. wink.gif



That's because B is D's relative minor, right?
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QUOTE (eddiecat @ Nov 2 2007, 03:49 AM) *
That's because B is D's relative minor, right?


That's right.
And each minor scale contains 3 minor pentatonic scales.
In Em those scales are E,A and B.
Or G C and D if we take relative major pentatonic scales. smile.gif


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QUOTE (muris @ Nov 2 2007, 03:57 AM) *
That's right.
And each minor scale contains 3 minor pentatonic scales.
In Em those scales are E,A and B.
Or G C and D if we take relative major pentatonic scales. smile.gif


Good to know, I'm going to work on this!

But overall are you satisfied with the result?
Do you think it's a good start?

Going back to scales...
See you soon! cool.gif
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More than good Eddie. smile.gif

For the second I forgot that this is thread about recording the backing track,
which you have done very,very good.
As the matter of fact,awesome first attempt. cool.gif


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post Nov 3 2007, 02:20 AM
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Hi Muris. I told you i would try something in major, here it is.
As usual i used your chord progression and this time I focused on different scales.
I tried to use C Ionian/Penta, F penta , Emin/G penta, and G mixolydian.
I hope it's correct blink.gif
I hope you like this effort, and PLEASE KEEP IN MIND that I started playing 3 months ago. sad.gif
My speed sucks, really, but I'm trying to come up with some melodic ideas.
There's so much work to do there!!!
Cheers, Eddie
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