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post Oct 23 2007, 05:23 AM
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Has anyone tryed or experienced GuitarRig 3 from NativeInstruments ?
Is it good quality gear or do you prefer PodX's?

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I have never tryed this kind of gear, actually didn't now that it eksisted before i read a tread at this forum, but it could be nice to have something handy, but high quality, for vacations and evenings at mother-in-law, heh wink.gif ...

I have edited the post a bit and the link should work now i hope huh.gif

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post Oct 23 2007, 06:20 AM
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Might want to look at that link.
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post Oct 23 2007, 06:24 AM
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Not sure what its meant to be, but it doesn't work at all in Firefox, and in IE takes you to some sort of logon screen ...


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post Oct 23 2007, 06:28 AM
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I think he meant this link

ive just quickly scanned the page and it says "the perfect solution for professional studio and live setups." so im guessing it can be used as a live rig but i cant comment as i havn't had a good look.


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after closer inspection it seems that you can set up the pedal using a computer to store many different settings and then unplug the pedal and take it to gigs as a multi effects pedal... correct me if im wrong, but thats the impression i get from the website.

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post Oct 23 2007, 06:29 AM
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Software will never be able to work/sound ad hardware unit it my opinion.
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post Oct 23 2007, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE (muntahunta @ Oct 23 2007, 07:28 AM) *
after closer inspection it seems that you can set up the pedal using a computer to store many different settings and then unplug the pedal and take it to gigs as a multi effects pedal... correct me if im wrong, but thats the impression i get from the website.

Thats the impression I get too.
But that will make it something like a software programmable "PodX pro"? or?


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post Oct 23 2007, 06:46 AM
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if what i said before is true then its more like a POD XT that you cant edit without a computer... but imagine im wrong and that there will be some way to edit the saved tones but no way to add new ones?

Im not sure, it seems a little more complicated than most multi-effects pedals


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QUOTE (Twibeard @ Oct 23 2007, 01:43 AM) *
Thats the impression I get too.
But that will make it something like a software programmable "PodX pro"? or?


The software plus a computer and the pedal they supply, roughly equals a PodXT - you need a computer at all times to run this software, the pedal acts as an input and output but doesn;t work on its own.


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If I got it right,pedal is only to have controls under feet and without mouse.
Still,it's only software sad.gif
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No, I think, if you're by the computer, recording and rehearsing I don't see why not you could get it.
Would be cool if it stored the sounds in the pedalboard so you don't need a computer but I didn't get if that was possible.


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QUOTE (MickeM @ Oct 23 2007, 07:58 AM) *
Would be cool if it stored the sounds in the pedalboard so you don't need a computer but I didn't get if that was possible.


Oh,that would be awesome!!
But that's not the case I think sad.gif


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QUOTE (muris @ Oct 23 2007, 02:02 AM) *
Oh,that would be awesome!!
But that's not the case I think sad.gif


NO, the pedal board is an audio interface and switch panel, but it has no signal processing - that is all in the computer, so you would need a laptop or something, and you would have to deal with latency issues - probably not a big deal if that is all it is doing.


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QUOTE (muntahunta @ Oct 22 2007, 11:46 PM) *
if what i said before is true then its more like a POD XT that you cant edit without a computer... but imagine im wrong and that there will be some way to edit the saved tones but no way to add new ones?

Im not sure, it seems a little more complicated than most multi-effects pedals


Not sure if, and if you can the extent to which you can, edit on GR but as I recall it was built using Reaktor as the core. IF that was the case then IF you can edit then the level to which you could drill down would be pretty phenomenal. Having said that most people do zip editing with their multi-fx and hardly even use the presets that come with them. (LOTS of IFs in this smile.gif rolleyes.gif ).

As I recall the original GR was more about an interface between guitar and pc that held some degree of modeling capability and foot controllers to access them. Added to that was NI's general ability to make very good software synths (but nowhere near as much experience on the hardware front).

Most multi-fxs, imo, aren't gigable - they just are not robust enough (and tbh I'd include most of the various Pod models here). Nonetheless the GR I remember would be worse - it's one thing to take a laptop on a D&B session and another to take one to a rock gig. As the Beachboys (?) once said 'Wipeout' blink.gif, dead GR, dead laptop and one roadie trying to look all innocent smile.gif .

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QUOTE (muris @ Oct 23 2007, 12:29 AM) *
Software will never be able to work/sound ad hardware unit it my opinion.
Doesn't have...how to say...balls?? laugh.gif Pardon my language tho ohmy.gif


Yes, more of a matter of the hardware design though and operating systems, not really specifically software. I mean, software gets loaded into hardware after all, and you go from there. Home computers and operating systems are designed broadly multi purposed. That is the problem with a real time application such as signal processing.

In fact it is surprising what processors you may find on some spacecraft, old generation. But the application is so specialized that that is sufficient. However a home computer has to do a lot of things, or at least always be maintaining the overhead required to facilitate potentially doing a lot of things. So typically real time applications require specialized hardware.

Feel fee to disagree, I only know 50% of what I think I know, based on past experience.

edit: not that what i said is incorrect in itself, it is certainly correct. Where I tend to go wrong is oversimplifying my analysis, and neglecting to consider some other variable(s) and/or factor(s). but if one keeps that in mind, that is fine. In fact, knowing about 50% of what you think you know is not bad for a human I think. So long as you know that you don't know more than 50% of what you think you know.

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QUOTE (fkalich @ Oct 23 2007, 10:11 AM) *
Yes, more of a matter of the hardware design though and operating systems, not really specifically software. I mean, software gets loaded into hardware after all, and you go from there.

So true, if there is a processor there is software.

I don't know about the pedal so I just talk about the application itself.
GR is really a great application which competes very close with the POD for sound, but as said before you have to run it through the computer.

If you consider software take a look at AmpliTube too. I think there is a demo of their software available.
My opinion is that I liked the sound in AmpliTube better but the userbase and community was bigger and there was more homemade soundpathces available for GR.

Sum of it: Soundwise I liked AmpliTube better, I liked the GuitarRig application and community better than AmpliTubes, and finally; I bought a POD XT.
I have a POD. My son have GR. My son like GuitarRig better than the POD. Go figure smile.gif
Matter of taste and how you use your gear.

Oh, forgot some information that might be useful.
In GuitarRig you can record either a clean signal or with effects (dry and wet?) and with a clean recording you can add whichever effect you like on that. If I remember it right then you can use GuitarRig as a VST.

I think the same goes for AmpliTube but I never got that far with it.


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Ohh you got that right guys!
EFXs from GR or Amplitube are fine for sure.
I use to add it on my tracks too.
But talking about drive,it's just weak,lots of noise etc.


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QUOTE (blindwillie @ Oct 23 2007, 10:09 AM) *
If I remember it right then you can use GuitarRig as a VST.


You can, and it rocks, but it costs a lot extra !


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 23 2007, 07:23 PM) *
You can, and it rocks, but it costs a lot extra !


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Should be part of the package that you buy, not an addin, no?

Really, if you want to run GR as a VST, you already have ProTools or Cubase or whatever and that shouldn't figure into the cost decision.

Though it'd be an interesting idea to see what happens when you plug a VST Moog Modular into a VST GR JCM800.


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QUOTE (Scott Gentzen @ Oct 23 2007, 04:37 PM) *
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Should be part of the package that you buy, not an addin, no?


Why "should" when they can make money charging you extra?

The Pod comes with patch management software which is excellent. If you want to use the same AMPS and effects that are in your pod as a VST they charge you extra.


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