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post Oct 23 2007, 06:15 PM
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Hi there everyone!
I was just wondering what type or types of microphones I should use to mic my amp for recording guitars and bass? Can I just use the Sennheiser I use for vocals or do I need some type of special mic?


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post Oct 23 2007, 07:17 PM
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QUOTE (GrowingDown1 @ Oct 23 2007, 07:15 PM) *
Hi there everyone!
I was just wondering what type or types of microphones I should use to mic my amp for recording guitars and bass? Can I just use the Sennheiser I use for vocals or do I need some type of special mic?


The best is to use a amp designed for mic'ing your amp.The Sure SM57 is the most used microphone for recording guitars ... EVER.

http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Wir...SM57-LC_content
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post Oct 23 2007, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Oct 23 2007, 06:17 PM) *
The best is to use a amp designed for mic'ing your amp.The Sure SM57 is the most used microphone for recording guitars ... EVER.

http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Wir...SM57-LC_content

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post Oct 23 2007, 07:42 PM
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I'm going to buy a microphone eventually as well - I'm looking at the sm57, does it work at least decently for vocals too?


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post Oct 23 2007, 07:43 PM
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Whilst a Shure SM 57 or 58 would be fine for close mic'ing a guitar amp it will not be sufficient by itself to capture high end frequencies. For that you really need a good capacitor mic set at a distance.

The best option for mic'ing an amp is to use a combination of close and distance and dynamic and capacitor. For an acoustic then small diaphragm stereo capacitors.

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I'd use a SM57 for pointing at the cone. A SM58 for vocals. Or a SM58 hanging in front of the cone (tie the cord in a knot round the handle) just to keep it simple.

But I'm no expert at all, jusy keen on keeping things simple sometimes when I don't care laugh.gif

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QUOTE (JVM @ Oct 23 2007, 08:42 PM) *
I'm going to buy a microphone eventually as well - I'm looking at the sm57, does it work at least decently for vocals too?


Yes, it works also for vocals.

QUOTE (tonymiro @ Oct 23 2007, 08:43 PM) *
Whilst a Shure SM 57 or 58 would be fine for close mic'ing a guitar amp it will not be sufficient by itself to capture high end frequencies. For that you really need a good capacitor mic set at a distance.

The best option for mic'ing an amp is to use a combination of close and distance and dynamic and capacitor. For an acoustic then small diaphragm stereo capacitors.

Cheers,
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Agree. If you don't have an expensive microphone, you can use two SM57 in different positions.


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post Oct 24 2007, 11:22 PM
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The SM57 / SM58 are kind of industry standard mics. However, I think they work better for close-mic of cabs ( as stated above ) and for some drums for recording purposes. Using them for vocals, I think they're much better for shows and practice space - when trying to do recording they just didn't feel like they had enough "presence". Not sure if that's the right way to describe it, but there was something just sonically missing from vocals to me.

For recording vocals ( and / or acoustic guitar ), I would go with a condenser mic, which you'll need a power source for ( they don't run off phantom power ). You'll get a much warmer, fuller sound that represents the full range and subtleties much better than you will with a dynamic mic.

Personally I have the MXL 990, which was not too expensive in the grand scheme of things:
http://www.mxlmics.com/condenser_mic/900_S...L990/mxl990.htm

Then I use this tube preamp ( PreSonus TubePre ) for the condenser mic ( and for my bass ) :
http://www.fullcompass.com/product/255921.html


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post Oct 25 2007, 01:22 PM
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Thanks a lot you guys! Im gonna check out the Shures today. Exorcyze, thanks for the links bro. Im definitley going to consider a condenser for vocals. Thanks again!


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Also if you haven't seen it take a look at:

https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...?showtopic=7771

which might answer some of your questions.

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QUOTE (JVM @ Oct 23 2007, 08:42 PM) *
I'm going to buy a microphone eventually as well - I'm looking at the sm57, does it work at least decently for vocals too?


Well they usally use the SM57 for vocals at church. As far as i get it, the sm58 isnt great for amps and is more for vocals.
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post Nov 6 2007, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE (Francis Viviers @ Oct 25 2007, 04:24 PM) *
Well they usally use the SM57 for vocals at church. As far as i get it, the sm58 isnt great for amps and is more for vocals.


We use SM58's for the handheld mics. I think there's a SM57 by the drums somewhere. I've seen SM57's used as vocal mics too. You'll see them here and there mounted on a podium too.


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sm57's rock. very versitile mic. If you've ever seen tom morrello's live setup he has a special mic holders that hang down from his amp and hold 2 sm57s in front of the two speakers in his 4x12 cab. simple yet effective. Apparently the sm57 has been on the presidents podium for something like 50 years. and the best part. they are only $100!


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yeh, the Shure sm 57 is the ' industry standard' for micing guitars live or in the studio.

I would also add a AKG C 414 ( or other high quality cardioid condenser mic) though a high quality mic pre.

This will allow you to have tonal variation as the condenser mic will pick up the detail of the sound the dynamic sm 57 wont.

Be careful when placing the two that you listen to the combination in mono this way you will be able to hear any phase cancellation which will degrade the quality of the sound. Moving either mic by an inch or so can have large ramifications on the sound.

So listen carefully to each mic individually, then together in mono, then spread em... for the ultimate guitar sound, not too wide mind....wink.gif

Another technique is to use two mic's one in the front of the cab, then one in the back!!!! remembering to flip the phase of the rear mic. If done properly this can be monster.


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I would use two mic's one SM57 and one sm58.

But a band like Red Hot Chillipeppers only uses sm58's ... for absolutely everything, stage or studio, only sm-58 ... with some tube preamps here and there, pretty cool in my opinion. Recording has to be true and personalised, I personaly hate "box sound studios" where everything is so called "perfect" .. isjh dry.gif So go for your own recording sound ... just a emotional based opinion smile.gif


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QUOTE (Twibeard @ Jan 23 2008, 10:01 PM) *
I would use two mic's one SM57 and one sm58.

But a band like Red Hot Chillipeppers only uses sm58's ... for absolutely everything, stage or studio, only sm-58 ... with some tube preamps here and there, pretty cool in my opinion. Recording has to be true and personalised, I personaly hate "box sound studios" where everything is so called "perfect" .. isjh dry.gif So go for your own recording sound ... just a emotional based opinion smile.gif





Yes recording is all about personal preference: the frequency response of the mic;s you mentioned offer differing tonal characteristics that suit the style of music or person playing.

The 'studio' sound can be inappropriate for some styles of music/taste, but try everything and mould your own sound. Beiing informed about various techniques can only broaden the pallet of colour you choose to paint with smile.gif


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QUOTE (Majickal @ Jan 23 2008, 12:11 PM) *
The 'studio' sound can be inappropriate for some styles of music/taste, but try everything and mould your own sound. Beiing informed about various techniques can only broaden the pallet of colour you choose to paint with smile.gif

+1 True mate smile.gif I use condensers too when recording arcoustic instruments, definately cool.gif

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Another technique is to use two mic's one in the front of the cab, then one in the back!!!! remembering to flip the phase of the rear mic. If done properly this can be monster.

What distance do you use in the 3 mic setup? I have to try that mate cool.gif And turning the fase must somehow be dependent of the distance or room? I'm recording in a church next week to caputre true "reverb", could be cool to try something new.

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