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post Oct 24 2007, 07:39 PM
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Hi

I´m planning on buying a new guitar (my 3rd electric). I can´t descide wether to buy Gibson Lespaul Classic or Vai´s Signature Jem. I already have a Gibson SG 1961 reissue, and a Stratocaster. Mabye the LP sounds too simular to the SG, but i´m also looking for a guitar that suits many styles, and I had the Jem in mind for that. Probably end up buying both wink.gif........no my wife would kill me. I know the LP suits my playing style more, but damn I want that Jem too.

Anyone here has a LP Classic?


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post Oct 24 2007, 07:54 PM
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I'd get whatever YOU want, its really all personal preference if you know what your looking for. wink.gif

Edit: Don't get what someone else suggests, because they may tell you to get something that they think is better, but you may have a different opnion!

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post Oct 24 2007, 08:05 PM
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Oh and here are a few things about the JEM...I own one, I also own a Les Paul

The JEM has a JEM Prestige neck, very thin, good for shred.

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post Oct 24 2007, 09:32 PM
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It depends on what kind of guitarplayer you are.
I`m a Les Paul player, Les Paul is tha axe to get if you want to rock your balls of on the stage, and I use my Fender Strat HM to those songs who involves some fiddeling and wammybar techniques.
By the way, the SG and Les Paul is two different worlds...but that will also depend on wich model you got. My SG is kind of thin sounding, and lack a lot of sustain compared with the Les Paul.
My Les Paul feels like a firebreathing monster, and I actually need that weight
it puts on my shoulders...literally and metaforically.:-)

And you have to excuse me if I mispell and got some funny sentences, I`m from Norway...but I hope you understand what I meen :-)
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post Oct 24 2007, 11:14 PM
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Your English is close enough smile.gif better than mine anyway.

I got the 61 reissue SG. It probably has thinner sound than LP, but it´s got PLENTY sustain. It´s far more superiour to the Standard or Special SG´s.


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post Oct 24 2007, 11:56 PM
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LP and JEM are two different worlds. You can't compare those. If you already have SG, i think a JEM would be a better addition to your collection.


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post Oct 25 2007, 12:00 AM
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Well a LP would usually have more sustain because of the thickness of the body and neck.

A JEM has decent sustain though, LP's sustain is better.

You could also trade in your SG, for a decent LP, (more money will probably be needed) and also buy a JEM, I like LP's better than SG's
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post Oct 25 2007, 08:41 PM
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Thanks for your views guys.

I think it´s more like adding to the collection than needing another one. Like Pavel said, the Jem would be a good choice since I got the SG. I will not be selling the SG. I think I´ll buy the Jem now, then I mabye in few years I´ll be going after the LP. smile.gif

It´s also nice to have a guitar that has a good whammy bar like the Jem. My regular Strat, is not good enough for that.


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post Oct 26 2007, 10:04 PM
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JEMM!!!!! get the jem! you get your moneys worth. les pauls pickups are just some general output, jem has high output, which should worth more, since they are more powerful, if the les paul ones cost more,it is just stupid, coz it isnt actually worth more.
the bridge of the jem is a edge pro whilst les paul has a lame old bridge, that is worth less as well.
the neck is probably worth more on the JEM as well coz its got all special inlays and stuff.
and les paul can make bout 2 sounds, loud guitar, quiet guitar. whilst jem can make loads coz of the difference between the pickups. u can do all sorts with jem pickups
and sorry if tis dont help, im just bored lol
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post Oct 26 2007, 10:10 PM
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Well, there is nothing like a Gibson Les Paul, i would give the world for one. But the Jem is new technology and well worth the cash. I think it comes down personal prefence on this one!!

Im going to buy an RG presige next! smile.gif


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post Oct 26 2007, 10:20 PM
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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Oct 26 2007, 05:10 PM) *
Well, there is nothing like a Gibson Les Paul, i would give the world for one. But the Jem is new technology and well worth the cash. I think it comes down personal prefence on this one!!

Im going to buy an RG presige next! smile.gif


Versatility (Jem) vs All out tone&sustain (LP)


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QUOTE (kevin-riff-after-riff @ Oct 26 2007, 05:04 PM) *
JEMM!!!!! get the jem! you get your moneys worth. les pauls pickups are just some general output, jem has high output, which should worth more, since they are more powerful, if the les paul ones cost more,it is just stupid, coz it isnt actually worth more.
the bridge of the jem is a edge pro whilst les paul has a lame old bridge, that is worth less as well.
the neck is probably worth more on the JEM as well coz its got all special inlays and stuff.
and les paul can make bout 2 sounds, loud guitar, quiet guitar. whilst jem can make loads coz of the difference between the pickups. u can do all sorts with jem pickups
and sorry if tis dont help, im just bored lol



This isn't correct, LP's pickups can be VERY good. The bridges arent cheap, and the necks are great and there are many styles of necks for LP's. How did you come up with this. laugh.gif

http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-IBA-S2170SE-NTF.html

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post Oct 30 2007, 04:59 AM
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QUOTE (Unleash-The-Shred @ Oct 26 2007, 09:48 PM) *
This isn't correct, LP's pickups can be VERY good. The bridges arent cheap, and the necks are great and there are many styles of necks for LP's. How did you come up with this. laugh.gif

http://www.americanmusical.com/item--i-IBA-S2170SE-NTF.html

I like these also.


rightyeah. you want sustain, get a (i think) framus sustainer pickups. dont need no les paul for sustain. and the bridges cost alot on the price tag, but it isnt really worth much, tis just fat pieces of metal screwed on to your guitar. whilst the ibanez egde pro comes with many more screws and springs and a whammy bar if your lucky wink.gif lol it is generally worth more in what you physically get unles you heavily mod it like buckethead does

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Gibsons Burstbucker pickups as fitted in the standards are generally considered a legend in tone.

Really these two guitars are worlds apart!! One is vintage tone, style and play.

The other is a leathal sonic weapon with all the bells and whistle that come with it !!

Are you a super sonic shredder? or a Les Paul rocker? laugh.gif


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QUOTE (kevin-riff-after-riff @ Oct 29 2007, 09:59 PM) *
... and the bridges cost alot on the price tag, but it isnt really worth much, tis just fat pieces of metal screwed on to your guitar ...



Not a comment on the relative merits of Jems vs LPs but on the quality and price tag of a Gibson (much of this would almost certainly apply to a Jem):

Bought my first Gibson about 30 years ago and during the intervening years have spent very little time cleaning it. It's been through numerous gigs, survived 9 house moves - including several changes of country and climate. The bridge looks, and works, as good as new. It has no pits, no oxidation marks, no rust. The chroming on it is first class and the intonation adjustment is as sweet and smooth as the day I bought it.

My first ever guitar had a cheap Gibson style bridge. The chroming on that started to strip in the first year. If I remember rightly I paid 75 UK sterling for that first guitar and it lasted about 2 years - it's probably worth about 5 UK sterling now. I paid 535 UK sterling for the Gibson (still have the bill and receipt) and its lasted me over 30 - its valued at over 2,500 UK sterling.

You pay your money and you make your choice.

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QUOTE (tonymiro @ Oct 31 2007, 10:12 AM) *
Not a comment on the relative merits of Jems vs LPs but on the quality and price tag of a Gibson (much of this would almost certainly apply to a Jem):

Bought my first Gibson about 30 years ago and during the intervening years have spent very little time cleaning it. It's been through numerous gigs, survived 9 house moves - including several changes of country and climate. The bridge looks, and works, as good as new. It has no pits, no oxidation marks, no rust. The chroming on it is first class and the intonation adjustment is as sweet and smooth as the day I bought it.

My first ever guitar had a cheap Gibson style bridge. The chroming on that started to strip in the first year. If I remember rightly I paid 75 UK sterling for that first guitar and it lasted about 2 years - it's probably worth about 5 UK sterling now. I paid 535 UK sterling for the Gibson (still have the bill and receipt) and its lasted me over 30 - its valued at over 2,500 UK sterling.

You pay your money and you make your choice.

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In this context it's a Gibson Les Paul.

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Or maybe I'm misreading the question? The above took the Q as 'what is a LP?' Looking at it again if you mean is the guitar a LP then no it isn't - it's a Gibson semi - my LP is 3 1/2 years old and again the bridge shows no sign of age.

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Lets face it your not going to be disappointed with either purchase smile.gif

Both top notch axes!

If it was my money I`d buy the Jem, purely for the weight issue .... ang on ... no the les paul awww I dunno laugh.gif

Buy both laugh.gif biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (kevin-riff-after-riff @ Oct 26 2007, 10:04 PM) *
les pauls pickups are just some general output, jem has high output, which should worth more, since they are more powerful, if the les paul ones cost more,it is just stupid, coz it isnt actually worth more.

It's a huge misunderstanding to think more output is better. What do you want huge output for, you got an amplifier, don't you? laugh.gif

What is the output of a 489T vs. the Evolution? I know as much that the impedance is almost the exact same.


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As Pavel said they are two different worlds. I prefer Ibanez JEM... Why?? Those are my reasons:

Thin neck
24 frets
Microtuning (I don't know if it's the correct word, I'm translating directly from Spanish XD)
Whammy bar (I cannot play without it)
Floating bridge...


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