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post Oct 31 2007, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Oct 31 2007, 02:03 PM) *
It's a huge misunderstanding to think more output is better. What do you want huge output for, you got an amplifier, don't you? laugh.gif .


For drive - high output can be turned down, low output can;t be turned up, and if it isn't enough to drive your amp into distortion you need to get into boosters and such, so I say +1 for high output (as long as tone doesn't suffer!)


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For me, a 24 Fret Gibson Les Paul would be my dream weapon of choice. Unfortunatly i cannot afford a custom shop so i would probably opt for an Ibanez. A long slim neck is a very important thing to me!! smile.gif


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post Oct 31 2007, 11:07 PM
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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Oct 31 2007, 03:44 PM) *
For me, a 24 Fret Gibson Les Paul would be my dream weapon of choice. Unfortunatly i cannot afford a custom shop so i would probably opt for an Ibanez. A long slim neck is a very important thing to me!! smile.gif


+1

what about an Epihone Les Paul? (Should we open a new thread to compare the Ephinoe LP and the Gibson LP?)


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post Nov 1 2007, 12:12 AM
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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Oct 31 2007, 09:26 PM) *
For drive - high output can be turned down, low output can;t be turned up, and if it isn't enough to drive your amp into distortion you need to get into boosters and such, so I say +1 for high output (as long as tone doesn't suffer!)

But still, I stick to that it doesn't mean it's "better".

Say you for example have a pickup (not the Evolution's, ok) with a high output in which the winding is too lose all it will do it squeal. I wouldn't call that better just because they are high output. You made a reservation for tone there, clever. wink.gif

Btw I think Yngwies tone is brilliant, with pickups that have almost no output what so ever. cool.gif


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post Nov 1 2007, 12:25 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Oct 31 2007, 07:12 PM) *
But still, I stick to that it doesn't mean it's "better".

Say you for example have a pickup (not the Evolution's, ok) with a high output in which the winding is too lose all it will do it squeal. I wouldn't call that better just because they are high output. You made a reservation for tone there, clever. wink.gif

Btw I think Yngwies tone is brilliant, with pickups that have almost no output what so ever. cool.gif


Ok, lets compromise - high output can be desirable under certain circumstances for certain types of tone with certain amplifiers wink.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 1 2007, 12:25 AM) *
Ok, lets compromise - high output can be desirable under certain circumstances for certain types of tone with certain amplifiers wink.gif

Deal! wink.gif


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post Nov 1 2007, 01:27 AM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Oct 31 2007, 07:40 PM) *
Deal! wink.gif

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post Nov 1 2007, 11:06 AM
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O! Brave new guitar....

^^

I wish i could see combination of Gibson LP & Gem one day...

And surely... i will buy that one for SURE!!!!

They both are awesome...
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post Nov 1 2007, 08:58 PM
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Just buy a JEM20th and make everybody jealous.


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post Nov 1 2007, 09:13 PM
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For me it would be the Jem hands down cause im more into the metal.But even that aside the Ibanez is more versatile than the les paul imo smile.gif


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Yngwie uses DOD preamp overdrive pedeal to boost the output, because of low output pickups. But you get single coil pure tone with the extra low output without the buzz on regular single coils.

I´m very interested in the Malmsteen signature strat also. Mabye I buy the LP and and YJM strat. Yngwie´s strat goes for about 1200$, and that is not a high price for a guitar like that.

To bad that i can´t try out any of these guitars where i live. The music stores only has those high priced guitars for special orders.


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post Nov 6 2007, 01:10 PM
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I just don't understand the tension between the Les Paul vs Fender Strat vs Jem camps. Every forum you go to has people drooling over one and flaming the rest. The simple fact is that these guitars are really awesome pieces of craftsmanship with pluses and minusus on all sides. The Les Paul is a classic axe with a huge presence in music history. Same with the Strat. The Ibanez is just an awesome chunk of wood with a neck that really has no equal. If you are a musician, and one who really appreciates the history and the diversity of their craft, I don't see how you can have an aversion to any one of these tools. If I had my choice I would have one of each and I would have a smile on my face from sun up until sun down. Just my 2 cents.


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post Nov 6 2007, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (Goliath @ Nov 1 2007, 08:58 PM) *
Just buy a JEM20th and make everybody jealous.


laugh.gif Honestly? I wouldn't buy it even if i had the money. It's around 4000$ but you can get much better guitar for that price.


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The JEM 20th is geared towards collectors, not the average guitar player. And i say go for a Jem, playing on the neck is awesome, your vibrato feels like its on a stick of butter smile.gif

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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 6 2007, 11:05 AM) *
The JEM 20th is geared towards collectors, not the average guitar player. And i say go for a Jem, playing on the neck is awesome, your vibrato feels like its on a stick of butter smile.gif



Now I'm gonna go vibrato over a stick of butter to see what its like to play a jem. wink.gif


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QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Nov 6 2007, 08:14 PM) *
Now I'm gonna go vibrato over a stick of butter to see what its like to play a jem. wink.gif


Hahahaha my God, let me know about the results of the experiment laugh.gif


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post Nov 6 2007, 09:23 PM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 6 2007, 08:03 PM) *
laugh.gif Honestly? I wouldn't buy it even if i had the money. It's around 4000$ but you can get much better guitar for that price.



It's 5k in the US!

Yeah Pavel, but if you pull up on the tone knob on other guitars, will the body light up? HUH!?! yeah didn't think so.

Now if you set it up with a couple laser pointers at the tips of the tuning pegs that woudl go off when the LED's were on, you'd have your own laser lights show!

Yes, I'm kidding, i recognize it's overpriced, but a see-thru guitar is still pretty awesome, just not for 5k tongue.gif

While we're on the topic of JEM's, why is the black one 100$ less than the white one?

Personally I prefer the look of the white one, but don't understand why the black one would be cheaper...

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QUOTE (Maximus @ Nov 6 2007, 07:10 AM) *
I just don't understand the tension between the Les Paul vs Fender Strat vs Jem camps. Every forum you go to has people drooling over one and flaming the rest. The simple fact is that these guitars are really awesome pieces of craftsmanship with pluses and minusus on all sides. The Les Paul is a classic axe with a huge presence in music history. Same with the Strat. The Ibanez is just an awesome chunk of wood with a neck that really has no equal. If you are a musician, and one who really appreciates the history and the diversity of their craft, I don't see how you can have an aversion to any one of these tools. If I had my choice I would have one of each and I would have a smile on my face from sun up until sun down. Just my 2 cents.


+1 - Great good sense there! I NEED all 3 (have the strat and the Jem already) since they are good for different things. Of all of them, the Jem is the closest to being an all rounder, but it has a less distinctive sound than either of the other 2.


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 6 2007, 11:37 AM) *
Hahahaha my God, let me know about the results of the experiment laugh.gif


The results were inconclusive....

apparently, playing a jem is uncomfortable and a bit sticky, but it does make your fingers taste really good.


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