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post Oct 31 2007, 06:03 PM
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So we have guitar lessons, and we have singing lessons. Awesome

But It seems as though a problem many of us face is trying to play and sing at the same time. I'm wondering if we could have a lesson, or even just a discussion on that.

Lately I've been trying to play/sing "white room" by eric clapton, but the beat he sings it to is disjointed from the beat of the guitar playing, and it throws me off like a baby on a wild bull. I'm not a drummer, I was not trained in the art of the polyrhythm. This is difficult for me. A lesson to make this less difficult is something I think many people could benefit from.


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post Oct 31 2007, 06:05 PM
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I think that is a pretty cool idea for a lesson !! smile.gif

How about an all out tapping solo whilst singing? blink.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ligr9aMFcQ


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post Oct 31 2007, 06:11 PM
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Oh my god in heaven...............

THATS PAUL GILBERT????!?!?!??!?!

I dont

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wow.


no words to describe the awesome.


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post Oct 31 2007, 06:12 PM
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It sure is man wink.gif pretty incredible hey!! smile.gif


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post Oct 31 2007, 06:14 PM
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post Oct 31 2007, 07:12 PM
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Yes, that's a really good idea to do a lesson, but I think it would be very very very difficult !!! and I cannot do that because I sing very very bad tongue.gif


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post Oct 31 2007, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (Juan M. Valero @ Oct 31 2007, 06:12 PM) *
Yes, that's a really good idea to do a lesson, but I think it would be very very very difficult !!! and I cannot do that because I sing very very bad tongue.gif


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Yea I think its a cool idea too, something I`ve struggled with, does depend on the beat/timing of the song with the chords etc.. not quite sure why I try to do this tho as my singings pretty bad too laugh.gif


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post Oct 31 2007, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Oct 31 2007, 06:05 PM) *
I think that is a pretty cool idea for a lesson !! smile.gif

How about an all out tapping solo whilst singing? blink.gif https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ligr9aMFcQ


This man is incredible !!! just AMAZING !!!! blink.gif


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QUOTE (Juan M. Valero @ Oct 31 2007, 07:06 PM) *
This man is incredible !!! just AMAZING !!!! blink.gif


There are many awsome awsome players out there. But its an even cooler skill to sing whilst playing for sure!! smile.gif

Its a shame i sound like a strangled cat laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif oh my ohmy.gif


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Seems like a lesson request even i could benefit from.

Kris sang really well in his KMC collab. Maybe he could pop up a lesson in his free time (1-0-1 lesson would seem cool).


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Thanks for the link! I've found this one there where he plays a crazy speed improvisation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dw7EYxQLOCE


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WOW Gabriel !! Paul is so awe inspireing !! biggrin.gif


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It would be really hard to do lesson about playing and singing together.
Explanation would take ages and you'll be still missing the point.
But I can say few words about it while I'm here. smile.gif
Sing as much as you can and not only in bathroom,don't be shy. wink.gif
Feel the groove,even when you're only singing and not playing.
Along with that practice guitar part while feeling the groove.
Then just add it too your voice and that's it.
I know some of us have issues with rhythm in general and it might take more time.
Stay focus and practice,that's the only way. smile.gif


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I agree with Muris - it's all about the practice.

You have to do each thing until you're blue in the face, then do it some more. And with particularly tricky rhythms, you'll need to practice the given items until they become automatic. Once you get to that point, it will become a bit easier to separate them - to focus on both without focusing on either ( not to sound too samurai ). It's also a bit easier if you start with basic folk-style stuff ( simple rhythms and chord changes ) and just make up some silly songs. I do that all the time, and the kids just love it.

Sorry, I don't have any easy answers or approaches for this - just dedication and practice!

Learning some basics about playing drums would also probably help expand your ability to separate rhythms, in my opinion. When I started learning and really getting into that, I found it helped leaps and bounds for me being able to "feel" things better without concentrating on them so much, and to keep track of multiple rhythms at once. You don't even need a drum kit to practice the basics, just take the beats, and start simple.

For instance, your right hand ( hi-hat ) does 1-2-3-4, your left hand ( snare ) does 2-4, and your right foot ( kick ) does 1-3. Then you can start expanding those patterns slowly to more complicted rhythms.

One final note from my experiences. I found that even with a lot of practice, I couldn't put as much into two instruments at once as I could when I focused on just one. For me, playing metal, I ended up dropping the guitar ( we got a second guitarist to replace me for shows, though I still helped write riffs and compose ) and focused on just the vox. I was able to put a lot more energy into my vocals and our stage performance as well. Your milage may vary depending on the type of music, but personally I ended up really disliking being "glued" to the mic stand the whole show - it took away from the dynamicism of the show in my opinion.


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post Nov 1 2007, 09:48 AM
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Ok!
In other opportunities my students ask me the same thing.

And what i tell them is that singing is like speaking just holding the notes, So you have to start with the first step.


I recommend playing the guitar and while you do this just talking. Say something that you usually say. For example: Your national anthem, or anything that you don't have to think about it, like the happy birthday (don't singing it ok? mellow.gif , just say that words)
Then try to improvise a conversation like: "My name is .... I'm..... I like......! things that you have to think a little what you have to say. So, your concentration start to dividing. Easy words at first!

This exercise helps a lot when you have to sing. You have to learn how divide the concentrations.-

Try this.. It works wink.gif


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post Nov 1 2007, 11:15 AM
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It seems like this is a real struggle for some when first starting out, but as you learn more songs, it does become a lot easier. It's really difficult to try and learn the music, while trying to remember the lyrics and singing in time, so do yourself a favor and don't do all 3 at the same time in the beginning.

Sometimes I'll just play along with the song on mp3 until I've got a workable rhythm down. If it's a strange syncopated rhythm that I'm not used to, I will change my strumming pattern to match my feel for getting the vocals out in time with the changes. I think Luciana had a good idea with just talking the lyrics out, or just making up words while playing the song. I can be practicing on the couch and ad lib stuff kids are doing in the family room while playing the music I'm learning, but keeping that same vocal melody.

Then I can add in the lyrics while my guitar playing is on automatic pilot, making stylistic vocal changes so it sounds like me singing, and not trying to be an vocal impersonater. Some songs I can learn in a day, others have taken a couple months. On the hard ones I'll just do what I can and work on something else, then come back to it. There's this one song by John Mayer, "Neon", that took me about 3-4 months to learn how to play and sing. But it's very rewarding to be able to do it now.
Windows media player can slow down mp3's without changing the pitch, it's built into the player. I've used that several times to get the music down, then you can sing along and before you know it your on your own...

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QUOTE (Luciana @ Nov 1 2007, 09:48 AM) *
Ok!
In other opportunities my students ask me the same thing.

And what i tell them is that singing is like speaking just holding the notes, So you have to start with the first step.
I recommend playing the guitar and while you do this just talking. Say something that you usually say. For example: Your national anthem, or anything that you don't have to think about it, like the happy birthday (don't singing it ok? mellow.gif , just say that words)
Then try to improvise a conversation like: "My name is .... I'm..... I like......! things that you have to think a little what you have to say. So, your concentration start to dividing. Easy words at first!

This exercise helps a lot when you have to sing. You have to learn how divide the concentrations.-

Try this.. It works wink.gif


Excelent trick Luciana !!!! it really works wink.gif


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QUOTE (Luciana @ Nov 1 2007, 08:48 AM) *
Ok!
In other opportunities my students ask me the same thing.

And what i tell them is that singing is like speaking just holding the notes, So you have to start with the first step.
I recommend playing the guitar and while you do this just talking. Say something that you usually say. For example: Your national anthem, or anything that you don't have to think about it, like the happy birthday (don't singing it ok? mellow.gif , just say that words)
Then try to improvise a conversation like: "My name is .... I'm..... I like......! things that you have to think a little what you have to say. So, your concentration start to dividing. Easy words at first!

This exercise helps a lot when you have to sing. You have to learn how divide the concentrations.-

Try this.. It works wink.gif


What a great idea, thanks smile.gif


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