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post Nov 6 2007, 08:24 AM
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great article fkalich! that's why i never pulled all-nighters in college. sleep is always more important.

now that my hand is in a cast, i'll be practicing mentally for the next 2 months! but i'll make sure to practice correctly mentally wink.gif

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post Nov 6 2007, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 5 2007, 10:20 AM) *
Interesting reading. The author is an a teacher, in the Boston Philharmonic Orchestra, and has degrees both in music and Neuroscience. Discuss?

http://www.newenglandconservatory.edu/stud...chbyGebrian.pdf

So dose this mean that those of us who are old of age but new in guitar-playing really dont have a change at all? Not many neurons moving in my brain i guess laugh.gif as my fingers definately dont connect with my will. sad.gif


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post Nov 6 2007, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Twibeard @ Nov 6 2007, 07:04 AM) *
So dose this mean that those of us who are old of age but new in guitar-playing really dont have a change at all? Not many neurons moving in my brain i guess laugh.gif as my fingers definately dont connect with my will. sad.gif


laugh.gif You still got a shot. Not everything that studies says is all true. There are instances that even defy what they tell us. You could be one of them smile.gif

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post Nov 7 2007, 12:07 AM
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QUOTE (Soul_Decision @ Nov 6 2007, 04:27 PM) *
laugh.gif You still got a shot. Not everything that studies says is all true. There are instances that even defy what they tell us. You could be one of them smile.gif

Could I? huh.gif omfg ... so it's true?? The Matrix is real?? ohmy.gif “The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you play your guitar, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled down over your eyes to blind you from the truth, the truth that you are a slave. As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will never be free.” - Morpheus. unsure.gif

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post Nov 7 2007, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (Bedlam @ Nov 6 2007, 01:24 AM) *
great article fkalich! that's why i never pulled all-nighters in college. sleep is always more important.

now that my hand is in a cast, i'll be practicing mentally for the next 2 months! but i'll make sure to practice correctly mentally wink.gif

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@fkalich - a&m is underrated in bball tongue.gif


They are pretty well considered by everyone as having a good team this year. I will never forget that shot by Law last year, where you beat us. He was the best go to guy in basketball last year. Even better than Durant in that respect.

People here like A&M fans, also we like Ok State. 80% of our hatred is reserved for Missouri. Maybe 85%.

Too bad about the cast. Try the mental thing. It is hard, you just mentally go through the music, trying to visualize the play, and hearing it in your mind's ear. If you do this, it will be interesting to see what happens when the cast comes off. You might try a totally new song, and learn it this way, and then see if you can play it then.
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post Nov 7 2007, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 6 2007, 05:35 PM) *
They are pretty well considered by everyone as having a good team this year. I will never forget that shot by Law last year, where you beat us. He was the best go to guy in basketball last year. Even better than Durant in that respect.

People here like A&M fans, also we like Ok State. 80% of our hatred is reserved for Missouri. Maybe 85%.

Too bad about the cast. Try the mental thing. It is hard, you just mentally go through the music, trying to visualize the play, and hearing it in your mind's ear. If you do this, it will be interesting to see what happens when the cast comes off. You might try a totally new song, and learn it this way, and then see if you can play it then.


Yeah, i'm going to be working on the mental aspect for a while. when i get the cast off it's going to take a while for my fingers to get loose and strong again, so it'll be interesting. This is just the article i needed at this time.

also, we're at missouri this weekend sad.gif
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post Nov 7 2007, 03:08 AM
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QUOTE (Bedlam @ Nov 6 2007, 08:00 PM) *
also, we're at missouri this weekend sad.gif


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post Nov 7 2007, 03:21 AM
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QUOTE (Twibeard @ Nov 6 2007, 03:07 PM) *
Cound I? huh.gif omfg ... so it's true?? The Matrix is real?? ohmy.gif “The Matrix is everywhere. It is all around us, even now in this very room. You can see it when you look out your window, or when you turn on your television. You can feel it when you play your guitar, when you go to church, when you pay your taxes. It is the world that has been pulled down over your eyes to blind you from the truth, the truth that you are a slave. As long as the Matrix exists, the human race will never be free.” - Morpheus. unsure.gif


laugh.gif Awesome smile.gif


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post Nov 7 2007, 03:35 PM
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wow... thanks a lot for that..

this will make practicing a lot more time efficient, i mean even on the way home from school you can start the mental practice.. the thing about sleep doesn't really change anything. i mean did you not sleep before reading this? will you sleep more..?
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Thanks for sharing smile.gif

I'll read through this after work today..
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post Mar 31 2008, 01:18 PM
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Thank you very much for sharing this, truly useful(I hope).


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QUOTE (dimeisgod @ Nov 7 2007, 04:35 PM) *
wow... thanks a lot for that..

this will make practicing a lot more time efficient, i mean even on the way home from school you can start the mental practice.. the thing about sleep doesn't really change anything. i mean did you not sleep before reading this? will you sleep more..?


Yes I will sleep more now. Seriously.


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Me too, I'm going to move from an average of 4 hours a day (on weekdays) to 9


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Great read! Thanks! smile.gif


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This research is very interesting. I have learned a lot in the past about guitar practice when reading these kind of books and publications. Thanks for sharing smile.gif


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post Nov 18 2008, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Nov 18 2008, 05:19 PM) *
This research is very interesting. I have learned a lot in the past about guitar practice when reading these kind of books and publications. Thanks for sharing smile.gif


wow. you dug for this one. or came to it by chance I guess.

the major thing I got out of that, is when I am learning a difficult passage/fingering, to try to keep a visualization of it as I go. I have to concentrate. To see the fretted notes in my head in the right places on the neck. It might be 20 notes or whatever, and to see them all in my head on the fretboard as I go. Or more it is visualizing the next note group or 3 or 4 notes right before I play it. At fast speed this requires me to keep my brain focused, but if I focus I can visualize the entire passage, each note group right before I come to it. That seems to ingrain it as described in the article, it is consistent with what she wrote. And then I seem to be able to play it, without having to visualize it anymore. Or at play it a lot better, in what Marcus L and others call "muscle memory". It is kind of hard, kind of like doing an exercise, but it works well for me. And fortunately, once it gets into memory, you don't have to force the visualization anymore, it is automatic.

I am sure you have thought of things like this in the past, or pretty close, but it is nice to read about it from another slant, as you say.
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I have applied and still apply visualizing and memorizing process for more then 5 years I would say.
This stuff definitely works and was something that helped me the most to learn anything new and challenging as well as to improvise and write original material.

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I love psychology. All of this could probably be enhance even more when you start meditating about certain things as opposed to just thinking about it. Thinking has a lot of distractions, but being submerged in the though through meditative techniques ought to amplify the results.


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