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> Rap Isn't Music And Kurt Cobain Can't Play Guitar., Please convince me!
post Apr 21 2008, 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (Ivan Milenkovic @ Apr 21 2008, 11:01 AM) *
I have listened to rap and grunge back in grade school/high school when it was decent music. Today rap does not exist in its original and pure form. The same goes for grunge - no differences between these two.

Another thing that is the same is the effect these two genres had on further development of music as we know it today, along side other genres.

Are you saying that because youy heard all of todays rap or because you heard a few songs on the radio?

I'm sorry, but I get extremely annoyed by people who make statements like that with no backing. There is ALWAYS some good artist in a genre, wether you like it or not. I always get annoyed with rap bashing because of this, even though I barely listen to it at all.

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post Apr 21 2008, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (Arrival @ Nov 6 2007, 06:20 AM) *
The common basis for creating a rap piece is sitting at a computer and forming a synthetic beat.

Is that any different to a drummer from a band sitting in front of his drum kit making up a beat? Both are being creative so I don't see the problem.

There is a lot of bad rap and hip hop out there and it is all contained within music channels and the charts. There is also though a lot of good rap and hip-hop. You only have to look so far as Wu-Tang Clan/NaS/House of Pain/El-P to see this.

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post Apr 21 2008, 07:51 PM
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I think that it is wrong to generalize one whole genre of music. Every genre has it's flaws and it's good points. As for me, I like a lot of rap music. On the other hand I don't really understand classical/opera music. I mean, most of the songs seem to be covers that have already been covered and operas go on for hours. blink.gif Can anyone help me understand it?

BTW I don't mean to sound offensive or anything
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post Apr 21 2008, 10:46 PM
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Hi, Kris, you should add some of the last post of the other topic in the first here...
I was a little bit confused... wacko.gif

But, than coming to the topic.
1) Rap is music. I know 3-4 genres that I would criticize before criticizing it. (Check this for instance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSZA8je1Goc )
2) "Can't play" is a strong word. But Kurt Cobain can not be called an awesome guitarist. He is an average guitarist. But that doesn't mean he is not an excellent composer. I think the confusion comes from people mixing these 2 things.
In my humble view, Kurt Cobain beats Steve Vai as composer, meaning I hear Nirvana's songs almost every day while the same is not true for Vai's. But of course the converse is the true if you compare them as guitarists.

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post Apr 22 2008, 11:23 AM
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I think this whole thing with rap not being music is just to get a lot of musicians, especially guitarist, to be up in there high horse, and preach on there own skill.

I think thats mainly the reason why I stay away from topics like this, especially in a guitar based forum.

I listen to rap as much as I listen to Metal. It takes as much talent to create a hip hop song as it is to come up with a lick on a guitar. Just because it is processed on a computer, or maybe a beat sample, it doesn't make it any less of a music than what your precious wooden instrument can do.

Music is not always about playing or learning an instrument. If it was, then maybe we shouldn't call this guy a musician.

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post Apr 22 2008, 11:28 AM
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Rap is always gonna be a form of music, Whether people like it or not. Might as well listen to it and like it, or not. I dont see why we have to constantly justify why it isnt music, or takes no talent, Or why it is music, and takes loads of talent.

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post Apr 23 2008, 09:59 AM
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An intressting discussion, with lots of sensible arguments. smile.gif

I’ve given this some thoughts in the past since I’ve always been listening to a lot of different types of music and been wondering why people, and especially some musicians I’ve known over the years, choose to limit there musical sources of inspiration. For me it’s never been about genre. The music has to touch me in one way or another, be it Hip hop, rock, Mozart or what not. It’s irrelevant IMHO.

I agree with what some of you already have said, in that I believe music is what someone creates in their heads (and hopefully souls).
Guitar, piano, computers or what you choose to use to realize that music is only a choice of tools and perhaps a palette of colours you use to make music the way you want. A computer is just one way to do that.
I mean, how many here at GMC can type a document in Word? All of us I bet. wink.gif
However, how many of us would be able to write a really great piece of literature?

Here's a couple of Hip Hop songs I realy like, maybe they can inspire someone here as well?

Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy:

Guru (Jazzmatazz) Feat Ronny Jordan on guitar.

And if you liked Ronny Jordans giutar playing I higly recommend this as well:

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