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post Nov 15 2007, 04:37 AM
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smile.gif Piracy is bad

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post Nov 15 2007, 04:53 AM
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Oh, how I despair sometimes rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

So 1mpr1m1s, theoretically If I happened to take control of your GMC account it would be mine to keep and you would be happy for me?

Going by that logic... unsure.gif

(not that I would/can or anything)

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post Nov 15 2007, 04:58 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 14 2007, 07:53 PM) *
Oh, how I despair sometimes rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

So 1mpr1m1s, theoretically If I happened to take control of your GMC account it would be mine to keep and you would be happy for me?

Going by that logic... unsure.gif

(not that I would/can or anything)

cool.gif

smile.gif

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post Nov 15 2007, 05:07 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 14 2007, 09:53 PM) *
Oh, how I despair sometimes rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

So 1mpr1m1s, theoretically If I happened to take control of your GMC account it would be mine to keep and you would be happy for me?

Going by that logic... unsure.gif

(not that I would/can or anything)

cool.gif


If everyone took that attitude, we would live in Mad Max world.

edit: I see he edited it away. Maybe he was not really serious, might have just been an emotional thing, and he really did not mean it.

QUOTE (Layzer @ Nov 14 2007, 09:20 AM) *
I'm not too knowledgeable in this area, that said, I stopped downloading music from P2P networks for 3 reasons.

1. I did not want legal troubles
2. I don't want viruses.
3. I would hate being an artist and being deprived of my rightful earnings

P.S. FKALICH....are you going to MU\KU game on the 24th??? GO MIZZOU!

No, 40% of tickets are alloted to you guys. Should we lose, I would be stuck with about 35,000 missouri fans next to me, could not take that. I do hope we both win this week, so we can settle it in Kansas City. You guys are more talented, but we hold on to the ball a lot better, which could be the difference.
I listen on radio. Executed my tv. I live 2 blocks from the stadium, maybe they will show it on the big scoreboard tv.

I feel that I will root for Missouri if you get past us, as you represent the North, and then the big 12 in the national championship should you beat us and get past Oklahoma.

Which surprises me. I get mobbed off of tigerboard within about 2 minutes of any post. I know a few Missouri people feel that way, but not very many. Most hate us to the bitter end. Same on our side I guess. Although it seems to me that Missouri fans hate us even more than we hate them, which seems nearly impossible on the surface.

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post Nov 15 2007, 05:09 AM
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QUOTE (1mpr1m1s @ Nov 14 2007, 07:58 PM) *
I would be so happy I couldnt be more happy for ya ...Have fun biggrin.gif


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post Nov 15 2007, 05:10 AM
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Thanks Tony for your excellent post, and the interesting debate that followed! This time, I surpisingly agreed with fkalich, which means we must be right this time! laugh.gif

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what the consequences of illegal file sharing are - since the exact same thing would happen to gmc if we were exposed to that.

Development of the product is heavily slowed down and in worse case the product dies. Naturally the ones who go first are the small ones.

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post Nov 15 2007, 05:16 AM
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QUOTE (Owen @ Nov 14 2007, 08:09 PM) *
I take it you will consent to Kris giving me your password then laugh.gif

Sure Owen tell him I said it was ok. Maybe since you cant understand the lessons on your own account you want to sign in on mine ---------

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post Nov 15 2007, 05:16 AM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Nov 14 2007, 10:10 PM) *
Thanks Tony for your excellent post, and the interesting debate that followed! This time, I surpisingly agreed with fkalich, which means we must be right this time! laugh.gif

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind what the consequences of illegal file sharing are - since the exact same thing would happen to gmc if we were exposed to that.

Development of the product is heavily slowed down and in worse case the product dies. Naturally the ones who go first are the small ones.

Please be gentle with us? mellow.gif


we probably agree on more than it would seem on the surface. You have clearly made the good decisions to this point, but I am sure you would like to continue to expand your entrepreneurship, and this is one of the things you have to deal with. But so far so good, or so it seems to me.

I admire this fine product. You find examples of this in other fields, entrepreneurs who have come up with a product that is superior to anything even the big boys are putting out. For example, language lessons. Some have come up with programs that are far superior to what the big companies have provided in the past, and they have to deal with these same issues.
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post Nov 15 2007, 05:20 AM
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QUOTE (1mpr1m1s @ Nov 14 2007, 08:16 PM) *
Sure Owen tell him I said it was ok. Maybe since you cant understand the lessons on your own account you want to sign in on mine fool.


Now, cmon, there was absolutely no need for that. blink.gif

I was only joking with you, that was uncalled for.


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post Nov 15 2007, 05:23 AM
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Your a funny guy .

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post Nov 15 2007, 05:26 AM
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QUOTE (jeff @ Nov 14 2007, 11:07 AM) *
I was thinking about something here - do you think it's possible that some of the same people who develop software put out pirated copies on P2P loaded with trojans and viruses for the benefit of those who steal them? I wonder.

Never have done that...but thanks for the idea laugh.gif

...just kidding
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post Nov 15 2007, 05:30 AM
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QUOTE (1mpr1m1s @ Nov 14 2007, 08:23 PM) *
Your a funny guy .


Hysterically so. laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


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post Nov 15 2007, 05:31 AM
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QUOTE (ActiveX @ Nov 14 2007, 11:26 PM) *
Never have done that...but thanks for the idea laugh.gif

...just kidding


laugh.gif I wouldn't blame you one bit!
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post Nov 15 2007, 05:33 AM
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QUOTE (1mpr1m1s @ Nov 14 2007, 08:31 PM) *
Owen likes to talk **** but whines when he gets it back LOL


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post Nov 15 2007, 05:38 AM
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Well Gentleman, i must say.........

Im not touching this one with a 50 foot pole laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif wink.gif


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post Nov 15 2007, 07:12 AM
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Sigh, this is what happens when you mix politics and music. People get upset, and hostility is created.


Why can't we all just play some music?
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QUOTE (Animosity @ Nov 15 2007, 08:12 AM) *
Sigh, this is what happens when you mix politics and music. People get upset, and hostility is created.
Why can't we all just play some music?


Guitar jam party round your place then
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post Nov 15 2007, 08:01 AM
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I'm starting to get a little bored with saying this but keep it civil to each other guys. I don't like the naming calling or flaming that a small minority have sunk to - and which Kris has recently dealt with. If we can't discuss this topic reasonably then I'll close the thread.

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QUOTE (fkalich @ Nov 14 2007, 12:27 AM) *
My brother once told me something. You can try to get to people by trying to convince them on the morality of some behavior. You might get to them. However, nobody likes a baseball bat smashing into their knee cap. You can be sure that will be an effective determent. When people are afraid to steal this stuff, when they think they will get into trouble, they will mostly stop doing it. Up to then, only those who hold higher ethics on such things will refrain. Others will do it, and besides, this is just party of the glorious revolution against the evil capitalists.

In all of human history, I have never seen a single example of that ever working on a large, nationwide scale. Ever. It's a short term solution that's bound to fail miserably. And who's slamming capitalists? I've already stated that corporations have done more good for the world than anyone and anything in all of human history. I haven't heard a single person claim to be anti-business so far in this discussion.

QUOTE (tonymiro @ Nov 14 2007, 03:35 PM) *
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Thanks for the reply. Sorry that I misunderstood your title in the original post. I re-read my old post and I see how I came across as saying "if we can't afford it, steal it". While my argument leads to that idea, my main claim is that no band, artist, or record label can ever really "own" the music they make. Once they create it, it belongs to the world.

Regardless of copyright laws.

I think a lot of people feel this way, and that's what fuels "pirated" music downloads. None of us feel morally wrong doing this. The people sued by the RIAA are an excellent sample group. When you have a range of people from ages 12 to 70, who have never made contact with each other, live in separate parts of the country, and have no predominant history of crime, and ALL of them are guilty of music downloading, that tells me average people don't think of it as being "wrong".

I'm advocating that if you want a piece of music, get it. It's yours. It's as much a piece of your life as it is of the band that made it. Get the song however you want to. If you've got the cash, buy a CD, if you don't, download it. Personally, I use Rhapsody because of the quick downloads and song quality.

You shouldn't have to pay millions of dollars to look a .jpg of a famous painting, and you shouldn't have to pay to listen to the music that's a part of your life.

The business model will have to change. I believe P2P websites will eventually charge a subscription fee that will help pay for the licensing of software and music. We're at a turning point in technology. Just like with the invention of the assembly line, P2P makes products more readily available and affordable. And just like with the assembly line, businesses are going to have to adapt to the changing times or die off because they can't compete.

It may not be the "Power to the People!" revolution some people are talking about, but a technological revolution can influence the world far greater than a social revolution.

File sharing isn't bad, it's probably the greatest computer technology since the invention of the Internet itself. The problem is that the technology is so new people aren't sure how to properly implement it yet. What do you think the world would look like today if if electricity were banned after the first person died from it? What about cars being banned after the first DUI?


P2P sites are in their early growing stages, but I suspect they will outlive us all.

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Minor point - allowing others to copy work in my University - and indeed other Universities that I know well - is an act of 'collusion'. In my University collusion would result in a hearing in front of the University Senate with penalties that range up to, and include, instant dismissal from the program affected and any other being undertaken at said time.

And tonymiro, I'm usually a nice guy so I'm going to assume you wrote that with the friendly intention of keeping me out of trouble. If that was the case, thank you.
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