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post Nov 18 2007, 01:55 PM
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I had a point to make here, but I will keep my mouth shut. Good luck getting the Ibanez set up. Floating trems can be daunting at first, but don't let it ruin the new guitar. Most places have fairly competent techs that can have it ready in under an hour for under 50 bucks.


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post Nov 18 2007, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (RobM @ Nov 18 2007, 06:14 AM) *
Sorry if I come across sounding like a prick here but it seems to me that you made two (2) MAJOR mistakes when buying this guitar( I may be wrong).

1: You didn't research the product (well enough) before you bought it.

2: You bought it online instead of in a music store.

I've preached in these forums until the cows come home that you (anyone) really need to do some research before anything is bought, especially music equipment. Research can be online, in chat, in forums, going to a music store and asking questions and most of all "going to a music store and trying out the equipment before buying".

Never ever buy a guitar online (unless you are a tried and true professional who knows what to do in all circumstances) even then don't do it! The main problem is not being able to actually try and compare your guitar against other types/brands of guitars. You also have the fact that you are dealing with a company far away from your home should anything go wrong you have to deal with the problem over the telephone at best. Buying a guitar online usually means that when you get the guitar in, you will have to set the guitar up and then tune it(which seems like the case here). Normally when you buy a guitar in person at a music store they include one free setup and tuning.

I think that should you give it some time and take the road to patience and learning you will find that your Ibanez is a pretty good guitar that sounds really good once it's setup and in tune. It's a steep learning curve at first especially being thrown right into it from the start with a brand new non setup guitar, but as I said, once you get it setup and in tune you will see it's charm.

I myself almost let the fact that a floating tremolo system can be a bear to deal with sway my thought process when I was looking for a new guitar, but when I picked up my guitar (an RG1570 prestige) the first time, I fell in love with it. I could have bought all the way up to a JEM or a Gibson LP Standard model at the time, but knew I wanted the 1570 when I played it.

It's your guitar and obviously you can do with it what you want, but do you really want a piece of hardware to defeat you like this? If you send it back won't you go thru life always wondering what the guitar could have sounded and played like once it was properly set up? Remember once it's setup you just follow a couple of simple rules(don't change more than one string at a time), (never mess with the setup once it's setup and in tune) and you will have a guitar that is always in tune and ready to play whenever you want it for the rest of your life!

Good Luck to you whatever you decide.

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I agree with you totally. I have been thinking about these points today. I sure did not know the floating trem system was this hard to tune/setup. But, I hate music stores also, so I decided to buy online. I have not given up yet, although I am close. I think the shim method is the trick. It's rather frustrating to say the least. I have had this RG for 4 days now and have yet to plug it in because it will not tune up correctly.
And yes I feel like an idiot for not being able to figure this out. But I think I am close. Getting the bridge parallel and then tuning it up is not easy - the bridge wants to sink back into the body while one try's to tune the blasted thing - it's like a catch22 that repeats itself over and over.

QUOTE (Understudy @ Nov 18 2007, 06:55 AM) *
I had a point to make here, but I will keep my mouth shut. Good luck getting the Ibanez set up. Floating trems can be daunting at first, but don't let it ruin the new guitar. Most places have fairly competent techs that can have it ready in under an hour for under 50 bucks.


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post Nov 18 2007, 02:52 PM
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Sorry WTN, the point I was going to make was not intended for you smile.gif. If the bridge is falling into the body I asume you took all the strings off at once ? If that is the case, only change them 1 at a time.


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post Nov 18 2007, 05:43 PM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 18 2007, 02:13 PM) *
I agree with you totally. I have been thinking about these points today. I sure did not know the floating trem system was this hard to tune/setup. But, I hate music stores also, so I decided to buy online. I have not given up yet, although I am close. I think the shim method is the trick. It's rather frustrating to say the least. I have had this RG for 4 days now and have yet to plug it in because it will not tune up correctly.
And yes I feel like an idiot for not being able to figure this out. But I think I am close. Getting the bridge parallel and then tuning it up is not easy - the bridge wants to sink back into the body while one try's to tune the blasted thing - it's like a catch22 that repeats itself over and over.
Go ahead. You will not offend me. Make your point.

If it falls into the cavity:
Losen the two screws inside (the ones that are screwed into the wood of the guitar) just a quarter or a turn.
Tune up.

I think your main problem right now is that when you get it in tune the strings will stretch making the tension less and the bridge fall back. Because a new guitar comes with new strings and these always takes some time of playing before they stop stretching and settle for a length.
Some people stretch them by force, I play them, stretching them always makes the thin E string break for me.

So I suggest you lose the locking nut, play for a couple hours , adjusting the string tension mainly with the machine heads (read: tune). If the bridge goes off too far you turn the screws.


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post Nov 18 2007, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (peterorg54 @ Nov 17 2007, 12:20 PM) *
i was thinking about buying this guitar for my new one..
you think it's worth to buy ??

Yes peterorg54, its an awesome guitar rolleyes.gif ... Excuse me, but all this stress about problems with the floating bridge is not a thing you have to even think about when you buy a new Ibanez RG or JEM or whatever guitar with that system. Normally they come well set-up from the shop, no tears. And if you buy a used guitar with maybe an out-of-line tremolo, and if you don't have the required skills to sett-up a Floating-bridge, then spend the 30-50$ and let a pro do it please. And maybe - if you are a calm guy - the guitar trimmer man in the shop, will probably let you look over his shoulder the first couple of times - and just stay cool when everything looks like a birdsnest ... No fuss mate. This Guitar stays in tune for weeks and months cool.gif

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post Nov 19 2007, 02:32 AM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 18 2007, 08:13 AM) *
I agree with you totally. I have been thinking about these points today. I sure did not know the floating trem system was this hard to tune/setup. But, I hate music stores also, so I decided to buy online. I have not given up yet, although I am close. I think the shim method is the trick. It's rather frustrating to say the least. I have had this RG for 4 days now and have yet to plug it in because it will not tune up correctly.
And yes I feel like an idiot for not being able to figure this out. But I think I am close. Getting the bridge parallel and then tuning it up is not easy - the bridge wants to sink back into the body while one try's to tune the blasted thing - it's like a catch22 that repeats itself over and over.
Go ahead. You will not offend me. Make your point.



Don't forget to go here for help:

http://www.ibanezrules.com/tech/setup/index.htm

Best place I know of for help in setting up a floating tremolo system. Also try:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1c-7-VMY_w...ted&search=

and

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjQ3p5Nh7-0

Hope these help?


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post Nov 19 2007, 08:38 AM
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QUOTE (Understudy @ Nov 18 2007, 07:52 AM) *
Sorry WTN, the point I was going to make was not intended for you smile.gif. If the bridge is falling into the body I asume you took all the strings off at once ? If that is the case, only change them 1 at a time.


No I would not do that. While trying to tune it over and over with even stagger tuning the strings keep going flat so the springs keep pulling and you can watch it move into the body.

QUOTE (MickeM @ Nov 18 2007, 10:43 AM) *
If it falls into the cavity:
Losen the two screws inside (the ones that are screwed into the wood of the guitar) just a quarter or a turn.
Tune up.

I think your main problem right now is that when you get it in tune the strings will stretch making the tension less and the bridge fall back. Because a new guitar comes with new strings and these always takes some time of playing before they stop stretching and settle for a length.
Some people stretch them by force, I play them, stretching them always makes the thin E string break for me.

So I suggest you lose the locking nut, play for a couple hours , adjusting the string tension mainly with the machine heads (read: tune). If the bridge goes off too far you turn the screws.


Heck, no wonder I cannot tune it - it's broken. One of the spring screws (the wood screws) has pulled out of the wood. Pretty small screws to hold back that much tension. This was the stock 3 spring setup. How can they expect these to hold 5 springs?
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post Nov 19 2007, 09:49 AM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 19 2007, 01:38 AM) *
No I would not do that. While trying to tune it over and over with even stagger tuning the strings keep going flat so the springs keep pulling and you can watch it move into the body.
Heck, no wonder I cannot tune it - it's broken. One of the spring screws (the wood screws) has pulled out of the wood. Pretty small screws to hold back that much tension. This was the stock 3 spring setup. How can they expect these to hold 5 springs?



Now, should I get a replacement or just get a refund?
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post Nov 19 2007, 01:24 PM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 19 2007, 03:49 AM) *
Now, should I get a replacement or just get a refund?



Well, IMHO it's going to be pretty hard to try and convince them that the thing came that way(not saying that you would do that), so I guess the only other thing to do is try and get a replacement. Hopefully they don't give you any trouble as they probably could say it's a warranty issue and try and make you get it repaired thru Ibanez(although most places have a short time span in which you can return the product, no questions asked). Please keep us informed as to what happens with this(I would like to know how this thing turns out).


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post Nov 19 2007, 08:22 AM
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QUOTE (WTN @ Nov 19 2007, 08:38 AM) *
No I would not do that. While trying to tune it over and over with even stagger tuning the strings keep going flat so the springs keep pulling and you can watch it move into the body.
Heck, no wonder I cannot tune it - it's broken. One of the spring screws (the wood screws) has pulled out of the wood. Pretty small screws to hold back that much tension. This was the stock 3 spring setup. How can they expect these to hold 5 springs?

Oh that's serious. Your guitar is made of basswood, which is a soft wood which can have trouble keepin prats that have been screwed in. Now, this I never heard of before but when you hear of a problem people have with their basswood guitars (most Ibanez) it usualy has something to do with the strap locks coming loose (besides the tremolo issues people have) and this is much the same issue. The wood can't hold a screw.

You should have it returned! If they force you to keep it for some reason the fix would be a larger and longer screw. You may have to drill a larger hole in the metal piece that they keep.

Maybe go for a Les Paul model next? (Stronger wood and no tremolo) Or if you really want a tremolo there's Jackson who makes their guitar mostly from Adler.


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post Nov 19 2007, 05:08 PM
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QUOTE (RobM @ Nov 19 2007, 06:24 AM) *
Well, IMHO it's going to be pretty hard to try and convince them that the thing came that way(not saying that you would do that), so I guess the only other thing to do is try and get a replacement. Hopefully they don't give you any trouble as they probably could say it's a warranty issue and try and make you get it repaired thru Ibanez(although most places have a short time span in which you can return the product, no questions asked). Please keep us informed as to what happens with this(I would like to know how this thing turns out).


I just requested an RMA. I explained in detail what happened. The guitar did not come this way. I actually had it in tune (took a while). I let it sit overnight to let things settle - I made some intonation and string height adjustments. The next morning I really gave the wammy a workout - deep dives, etc. Then it went out of tune and I could not get it back in tune. Took the back cover off and the bottom screw had lost it's hold. I could not believe it. I also could not believe how small these two wood screws are. I was thinking about fixing it, but if I did there goes the warranty. And seeing as how I have not even plugged it in what if something else was wrong. The wife said don't touch it - send it back.

I am actually getting another RG370 - will give it another shot. Will be here tomorrow. I think I got a lemon.
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post Nov 19 2007, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (MickeM @ Nov 19 2007, 01:22 AM) *
Oh that's serious. Your guitar is made of basswood, which is a soft wood which can have trouble keepin prats that have been screwed in. Now, this I never heard of before but when you hear of a problem people have with their basswood guitars (most Ibanez) it usualy has something to do with the strap locks coming loose (besides the tremolo issues people have) and this is much the same issue. The wood can't hold a screw.

You should have it returned! If they force you to keep it for some reason the fix would be a larger and longer screw. You may have to drill a larger hole in the metal piece that they keep.

Maybe go for a Les Paul model next? (Stronger wood and no tremolo) Or if you really want a tremolo there's Jackson who makes their guitar mostly from Adler.


I don't think I will have any problems with the return. ZZOUNDS is a great place. I have bought tons of stuff from them over the years. If I was going to fix this I would fix it right. I would use a threaded stud - one end is a wood screw looking thread and the other end looks like a threaded rod. You would screw one end into the wood - maybe even expoxy it in place - and then you would end up with two threaded studs that you would slide your spring plate over. Then you would use those nuts with the nylon inserts to make your adjustments. Of course you would now being using a small wrench instead of a screwdriver, but this should last for the life of the guitar.


BTW - I kind of figured this out by trial and error, but this is how to float your bridge - step 6 is key - makes perfect sense.
http://www.musicgearsource.com/colar1.html

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stop complaining, and spend time with it, took me ages to get Floyd Rose's to work, and I always regretted having them. Now, I won't EVER buy a fixed bridge guitar. They suck next Floyd IMHO, My Ibanez (RG370DX, RG350EX, RG350**) and LTD MH-250 all have Floyd Rose, and I've set them up, guitar stores here (in Dubai) know NOTHING, so I had to learn. Now they stay PERFECTLY in tune, and I never have an issue with them now. Not to say I didn't in the beggining. Frustrated the hell outta me. But take the time, and it will be worth it.
DO NOT SEND IT BACK, u'll regret it

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QUOTE (Paul Coutts @ Nov 21 2007, 01:02 AM) *
stop complaining, and spend time with it, took me ages to get Floyd Rose's to work, and I always regretted having them. Now, I won't EVER buy a fixed bridge guitar. They suck next Floyd IMHO, My Ibanez (RG370DX, RG350EX, RG350**) and LTD MH-250 all have Floyd Rose, and I've set them up, guitar stores here (in Dubai) know NOTHING, so I had to learn. Now they stay PERFECTLY in tune, and I never have an issue with them now. Not to say I didn't in the beggining. Frustrated the hell outta me. But take the time, and it will be worth it.
DO NOT SEND IT BACK, u'll regret it


Paul,

Thanks for the info - I am getting another RG370 - it shipped out today.
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sweet, let me know how that turns out. I don't get where all these problems are arising from. Ibanez is the only company I have had no issues with. IMHO, the most trust-worthy, reliable, and value for money guitars out there.


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