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post Nov 19 2007, 08:42 AM
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QUOTE (Muris @ Nov 19 2007, 08:36 AM) *
I can almost agree here in total with you Pavel,regarding to instructional videos,books,tabs,sheets etc.
But having private classes in person with real instructor,that probably eliminates self taught option,
even if you don't get degree for it.
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Yeah, you are probably right here. So i guess being self-taught is like not having a live lessons with an instructor. Online materials and books and other resources don't count when determining "taught" or "self-taught".


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post Nov 19 2007, 08:54 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 19 2007, 08:42 AM) *
Yeah, you are probably right here. So i guess being self-taught is like not having a live lessons with an instructor. Online materials and books and other resources don't count when determining "taught" or "self-taught".


Yeah,that's what I meant.
Or even situation like this.
I had classical guitar classes during music high school,I'm not using anything from there
in music that I play mostly,cause it's different technique,tone,styles etc.
Also I played stuff like Metallica,Maiden,some Satch's and Vai's tunes even before I got into music school.
Now,am I self taught? blink.gif


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post Nov 19 2007, 09:48 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 19 2007, 02:42 AM) *
Yeah, you are probably right here. So i guess being self-taught is like not having a live lessons with an instructor. Online materials and books and other resources don't count when determining "taught" or "self-taught".



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post Nov 19 2007, 10:38 AM
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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 19 2007, 01:03 AM) *
Rusty says he's self-taught although he was learning by Metal Method's video instructionals. I think you are self-taught as long as you don't officially get a degree on some music academy or something. That's my opinion, i'm not sure.


correct in principle. a distinction if how much freedom you have to shape your efforts. here you have total freedom. with a formal teacher, not so.

which can be good or bad, depending on the person.
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post Nov 19 2007, 10:46 AM
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QUOTE (Spiderusalem @ Nov 18 2007, 10:56 PM) *
lol I'm not self taught. I was once asked what music school I attended, and I told them "I'm currently enrolled at GMC University, and this semester I'm taking classes from Professor Dahl, Professor Varajic ect. ect."



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good one spider. biggrin.gif



well and i say we are self taught.

because we can say "im self taught and this good " to people.. biggrin.gif
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post Nov 19 2007, 11:05 AM
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Untill I Actually pay a teacher to give me a live 1 on 1 lesson, I will alway consider myself "Self Taught".

I had to Teach myself how to do things, without a teachers help...Yep I'd say that's self taught
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post Nov 19 2007, 12:14 PM
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i taught myself many things for guitar, but if you use GMC, i dont see how youre self taught, youre using someone elses advice and technique interpertation to further better your own. hell, if not for pavel's sweeping advice and lessons, i would be nowhere near where i am now.

Im proud to say GMC has helped make me the musician i am today smile.gif

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post Nov 19 2007, 10:37 AM
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Cool Topic, I would say were somehwere between being Taught and self taught "borderline" is the word im looking for.

The reason is, we are chooseing our on practice regime, which techniques and areas we wish to study, monotoring out own progress without correction from the outside (unless we choose to upload a video to GMC). But at the same time its like haveing a live teacher infront of you!! So were controlling our own learning process, ultimatley it is ourselves that determine progress.

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I think that "Self Taught" applies to only those that learn by listening to songs and trying to recreate them on the instrument, when we take a Live Teacher, he actually guides us on where we should put our fingers and what does all those sounds mean, preety similar to taking lessons online, only diffrence is that here only way a teacher can correct us is if we post a video.

Also if you learn from tabs than you are not self taught, cause it's like the teachers here, it can teach you how to play things, but unlike the teachers here, it can't assist you any further!

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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Nov 19 2007, 01:37 AM) *
Cool Topic, I would say were somehwere between being Taught and self taught "borderline" is the word im looking for.

The reason is, we are chooseing our on practice regime, which techniques and areas we wish to study, monotoring out own progress without correction from the outside (unless we choose to upload a video to GMC). But at the same time its like haveing a live teacher infront of you!! So were controlling our own learning process, ultimatley it is ourselves that determine progress.


Hmmm, that seems better, maybe we need a new word for it?
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It seems fairly obvious to me that we would still be considered "Self taught" since really, using these video lessons is not really different than buying any other course materials, like books of scales, etc. There's a difference between studying a diagram/video and attempting to play it rather than have someone analyze your playing and correcting any quirks/flaws you pick up along the way.


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But on the other hand, with GMC you have the possibility to interact with other students, and the instructors. You can upload songs and videos and get advice that way, so it is not truly like just buying a DVD and working with it.

I actually think that GMC is self paced study, but not self-taught.

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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 19 2007, 03:13 PM) *
Hmmm, that seems better, maybe we need a new word for it?


Self Shreducation ?? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Oh my ive lost it laugh.gif


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QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 19 2007, 04:30 PM) *
But on the other hand, with GMC you have the possibility to interact with other students, and the instructors. You can upload songs and videos and get advice that way, so it is not truly like just buying a DVD and working with it.

I actually think that GMC is self paced study, but not self-taught.



What's really the difference between this and going to concerts/bars/music stores and palling around with other guitarists and discussing technique/theory? It's still tapping a resource of a community, albeit GMC makes doing that MUCH easier, but this weekend alone I talked shop with the guitarist at the bar I was at on friday as well as waiting for a concert to start last night. I don't think it's a far stretch to lump the two into the same group.

Personally I don't really care whether I'm "self taught" or not, since I feel like I have very low natural ability for this instrument and have to work to offset it with loads of practice, which is apparently a pretty common theme among many musicians.

I guess you really need to define what being "taught" is, whether it comprises formal instruction at in an academic setting, private instruction in a music store, online lessons, etc. I doubt we'll arrive at a generally accepted definition.


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Nov 19 2007, 04:35 PM) *
Self Shreducation ?? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Oh my ive lost it laugh.gif


Shreducation is an awesome name for the guitar website!!! ohmy.gif Awesome idea Mattacuk!


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QUOTE (Pavel @ Nov 19 2007, 03:42 PM) *
Shreducation is an awesome name for the guitar website!!! ohmy.gif Awesome idea Mattacuk!


ohmy.gif Sometimes I wonder where these great ideas come from! ohmy.gif laugh.gif wink.gif


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QUOTE (mattacuk @ Nov 19 2007, 10:45 AM) *
ohmy.gif Sometimes I wonder where these great ideas come from! ohmy.gif laugh.gif wink.gif


That hamster in your brain of course! He pedals a little harder for a minute then an idea pops out! He must have been knackered after the tshirt competition ...


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QUOTE (Testament @ Nov 19 2007, 08:04 AM) *
honestly, i think the problem lies in the wording. if there was an in-between place that didn't have to be self-taught or taught by an instructor, things would be much clearer.
i couldn't agree more. cool.gif



QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 19 2007, 04:13 PM) *
Hmmm, that seems better, maybe we need a new word for it?



Maybe E-taught?? huh.gif

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QUOTE (The Uncreator @ Nov 19 2007, 06:25 PM) *
check out whats in my signature now Mattacuk, thats a good word i must say cool.gif


LOL! That is awsome... I am honoured cool.gif

QUOTE (Andrew Cockburn @ Nov 19 2007, 05:15 PM) *
That hamster in your brain of course! He pedals a little harder for a minute then an idea pops out! He must have been knackered after the tshirt competition ...


yeah hes pretty lazy.... tongue.gif


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