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post Dec 3 2007, 08:44 PM
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Hey all! Well I finally got my butt to guitar center and picked up a Korg MA-30 per GMC recommendation on the gear forum. I really dig it and am enjoying it. I have a couple of questions though on practice with it and about timing.

Simply put, how can you tell if you are or are not in time with the metronome? I practice currently two ways.

1. I play with the metronome and play quarter or eighteh notes etc. in a scale box or strumming chords.

2. I am jamming out and I have it on, but I'm not counting the notes per se - I'm just experimenting with chord progressions and improvising lead licks. I would also include playing lessons - such as Pavel's Heavy Metal for Beginners in this part.

With my first method I can tell easily that I am or out of time. I do as Kris suggests, count the notes, then play them. It's when I'm using the metronome for a different lesson, like Pavel's that I'm wondering if I'm in time or not. With tab I'm not sure if I should play it in quarter or eighteh or what have you. Right now I just set the bpm and play. When I'm playing I think I'm on time, but don't know for sure. Any tips on how to verify if you are in time? The only thing I can come up with is having someone listen to me play vs the metronome to see if my lesson practice or improv/jamming is on time with the beep.

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post Dec 3 2007, 09:07 PM
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Hi Gerald,

As you have just found out, useing a metronome can be a more little complex when you are not just picking easy to count values such as 16th notes, 8th notes etc.

You have also found out that tabs give you no timeing information, for use with a metronome!! Ahhh, but dont worry. This is where the musical notation comes in handy, dont worry you dont have to be able to read music (although i now reval in it laugh.gif biggrin.gif ).

When practicing a peice of music, I will break it down a few bars at a time, looking at the information given in the musical notation and use it to play the lick, chord or whatever in correct time. You can still use the tab to give you the fingers, but its a good idea to use the music above to find out how to play it to your metronome.

This is where I point you to andrews theory lessons on Time. They are well worth reading carefully, once you have learnt the basic concepts it will make metronome useage alot easier !!

Im not big on useing alot of theory in my playing (although i do like to know it all) ,but I am fantaical about timeing because I think it makes for good practice.

You can start your Journey HERE Then move on when your ready to part 2 & 3 smile.gif

I hope this helps you a little, just ask if you have any more questions

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post Dec 3 2007, 09:11 PM
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Thanks for the response! I didn't realize Andrew had a post on timing.

p.s. Buckethead rules!!!!!
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post Dec 3 2007, 09:17 PM
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No worries! yes Andrew has done some good lessons on timeing. Also if after all that you still need a little help playing a specific lesson to a metronome i will show you how to count it !! smile.gif


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post Dec 3 2007, 09:41 PM
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Okay I did a quick read on those posts and it makes sense for the most part.

What I'm still wondering though, is when I'm jamming to the metronome, how can I ensure I'm on time, without analyzing my timing.
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post Dec 3 2007, 09:54 PM
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Well if your just improviseing I guess you dont really need to use one. smile.gif

When Jamming/Improvseing I use either a backing track, or a drum machine ! Metronomes are generaly used for either practicing specific licks or a peice of music/exercise!

I hope I am making sense here biggrin.gif laugh.gif

Edit: Also, backing tracks make an excellent way of keeping time after you have used a metronome for a while. Eventually you can even get away with no useing one at all, I know Pavel is at a level where he keeps track of time in his head - and he does an excellent job of playing/improvising !!

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post Dec 6 2007, 03:49 PM
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Matt thanks again for the advice. I think that my new method will be to use the metronome when doing scale practice so I can get my timing down for triplets, 16th etc. In addition, practicing licks from the pentatonic lessons I'll use the metronome.

For jamming I'll keep that to when my roommate and I are making a beat. I need to get my butt going on a PC so I can jam out to the backing tracks for the lessons and create my own backing tracks in cubase.

Matt - how do you practice with the metronome? Do you take a scale or mode and put on say 80bpm, to work on say 16th triplets then bump it up bit by bit?

Something that I personally want to work on with the metronome is getting the minor pentatonic scale down. I'm restricting myself to this one scale until I have it mastered, but I'm kinda getting a little bored of it. So I'm going to practice it even more! I want to be able to know the root note placement for all the boxes along with playing the Kris's pentatonic licks on all strings. My thought process is that I'll use the metronome during this to ensure good timing so I'm killing two birds with one stone.
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post Dec 6 2007, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (Gerald @ Dec 6 2007, 02:49 PM) *
For jamming I'll keep that to when my roommate and I are making a beat. I need to get my butt going on a PC so I can jam out to the backing tracks for the lessons and create my own backing tracks in cubase.

Matt - how do you practice with the metronome? Do you take a scale or mode and put on say 80bpm, to work on say 16th triplets then bump it up bit by bit?


Jamming with a mate is a great idea, especially if you have to good beats to play too. When I play with my instructor we choose a good beat and then work together, usually he does Rythm (cause thats what he does best)and I do leads smile.gif

When I practice with the metronome on a daily basis, I work with it many ways. Once such way is picking a scale and useing licks and phrases I have already learnt and applying them all over the fretboard.

A good example of this is Pavels Ionian Speed picking Lesson. I will typically either use the metronome too keep time, or the the backing track if I can.

I typically use the metronome when I practice any GMC or other exercies, and especially with 3-note per string and Sweeping stuff.

These days I rarley use one for practicing pentatonics because I have gotten to the point where my playing is fluid in that area. When I first started though, I used my metronome to practice all the pentatonic licks I had learnt from kris's videos. And yes, its a great idea to start out as slow as you need, and working up say 5 bpm at a time. smile.gif

In summary, practice all the pentatonic licks you can learn useing your metronome. Then when your ready apply them useing all the scale boxes you have learnt from the Pentatonic shifing vids.

So you will be able to slide around the fretboard doing funky licks in key with no problems! smile.gif

Remember the best thing about pentatonic boxes is, once you have masterd improvising in one key - you can shift the same boxes around to use any key you like!! smile.gif


p,s if for loads more awsome ideas and penta licks check out the various Pentatonic lessons from David , Gabriel and Ivan etc. You can mix and match !

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post Dec 11 2007, 02:42 PM
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Well I've been taking your advice and yesterday I got some great metronome practice in. What I'm starting to find out is that I'm not the shredmaster quite yet; my shreducation is still in the beginning phase you might say. wink.gif

It's humbling to realize that playing 16th notes at 50bpm is harder than you think! When I first practiced guitar many moons ago I never used a metronome. I developed some speed, but not to any point of reference such as a backing track or metronome. It's a whole new world now. Hopefully soon I'll get a video going of my current progress for critique and pointers.
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