jstcrsn
Sep 3 2011, 01:16 PM
first off, I thank you for your time and talents that you give us all at GMC
I have grown much and hope to continue(not as a person but as a guitarist)
I love the lessons and all the site has but there is always been something in the back of my head and I think I figured it out
all you instructor are so far advanced compared to us and here is what you are asking us to do
to listen to a song to advanced and to fast for us , for us to get the feel, and before we can play fast enough we somehow have to get the feel for the song at half its speed , so we can play with the backing track, so we can get the feel , so we can then play faster
I don't know if this is clear , the way i stated this , but
I think it is in the wrong order
easy solution however
I propose that with every new song, the instructor also have a video of him playing with the slowest backing track
then students can get the feel for the song much quicker,cause you know , once you get the feel ,it is all downhill from there
thus wasting less time of the students trying to do something that he just can't do, and making their practice less monotonous with quicker results
I do however think that this video should be viewable only to members p.s. it would be a great tease to give to nonmembers once and a while to drag them down hill with us(evil doctor sound inserted here)
so what do you think ?
Ivan Milenkovic
Sep 3 2011, 01:59 PM
Well, this is very interesting suggestion. I'm understand the problem. Have you tried with guitar pro files perhaps - they should provide if not the same, then very similar feel to what a slower tempo guitar work should sound.
I would be very interested in hearing other people's opinions on the matter too.
jstcrsn
Sep 3 2011, 02:09 PM
Well, this is very interesting suggestion. I'm understand the problem. Have you tried with guitar pro files perhaps - they should provide if not the same, then very similar feel to what a slower tempo guitar work should sound.
I would be very interested in hearing other people's opinions on the matter too.
not to look to stupid,do you have to buy guitar pro
Bogdan Radovic
Sep 3 2011, 03:33 PM
not to look to stupid,do you have to buy guitar pro
There is a free trial here :
http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.phpYou can also use this alternative version of the software which offers similar funcionality (for free!) :
http://www.tuxguitar.com.ar/download.html
jstcrsn
Sep 3 2011, 03:54 PM
There is a free trial here :
http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.phpYou can also use this alternative version of the software which offers similar funcionality (for free!) :
http://www.tuxguitar.com.ar/download.html i can notget it to open the guitar pro tabs in the lessons and not to be a pain , am i now going to have to spend hours learning software and not practicing
and to add, this is why todds students seem to progress so well , because he lets them hear songs at a slow speed along with being able to follow him at a slow speeds ,
Michael AC
Sep 3 2011, 04:46 PM
Almost all of the lessons I have done here the instructor plays the sections slowly so we can see and hear the feel of the lesson. Also, every instructor constantly tells us how to play with a metronome. If you are not doing that part then I can understand how it may be harder.
Maybe the lessons you are trying to do are at a higher level than where you are and you should go back to one level lower. NOT that you should not push yourself, but you may be stepping out to far if that makes sense?
Maybe look at some of the timing lessons that are here too.
Personally I do not think there is a problem with the lessons as they are done now, other than making sure there is uniformity in how the lessons are done (presentation, backing tracks, pro files, etc) which in most part they are.
Just my thoughts.
thefireball
Sep 3 2011, 05:15 PM
Almost all of the lessons I have done here the instructor plays the sections slowly so we can see and hear the feel of the lesson. Also, every instructor constantly tells us how to play with a metronome. If you are not doing that part then I can understand how it may be harder.
Maybe the lessons you are trying to do are at a higher level than where you are and you should go back to one level lower. NOT that you should not push yourself, but you may be stepping out to far if that makes sense?
Maybe look at some of the timing lessons that are here too.
Personally I do not think there is a problem with the lessons as they are done now, other than making sure there is uniformity in how the lessons are done (presentation, backing tracks, pro files, etc) which in most part they are.
Just my thoughts.
Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I have felt that it was helpful the way it was; however, I also like the way Cosmin does it - he does play with the backing track slowly.
Ivan Milenkovic
Sep 3 2011, 08:01 PM
i can notget it to open the guitar pro tabs in the lessons and not to be a pain , am i now going to have to spend hours learning software and not practicing
and to add, this is why todds students seem to progress so well , because he lets them hear songs at a slow speed along with being able to follow him at a slow speeds ,
You're not a pain man, just trying to let you know that tuxguitar will really help. If you have doubts with some of the parts, download tuxguitar, install it, open guitar pro file, and you can hear the tab playing in any tempo you imagine.
dark dude
Sep 3 2011, 11:14 PM
i can notget it to open the guitar pro tabs in the lessons and not to be a pain , am i now going to have to spend hours learning software and not practicing
All you need to know in Guitar Pro:
Open the GP file.
Select the instrument track you want by clicking
Hit the play button and jam along
or
Drag-select the part you want to analyse, and click the button to the right of the "Go to the last bar" button.
Select how much slower you want it to be played at.
Hit the Play button
Almost all of the lessons I have done here the instructor plays the sections slowly so we can see and hear the feel of the lesson. Also, every instructor constantly tells us how to play with a metronome. If you are not doing that part then I can understand how it may be harder.
Maybe the lessons you are trying to do are at a higher level than where you are and you should go back to one level lower. NOT that you should not push yourself, but you may be stepping out to far if that makes sense?
Maybe look at some of the timing lessons that are here too.
Personally I do not think there is a problem with the lessons as they are done now, other than making sure there is uniformity in how the lessons are done (presentation, backing tracks, pro files, etc) which in most part they are.
Just my thoughts.
I have to agree with you mate. The lessons you tackle have to be witihin your reach. However, there are slower video versions of each section and slower backing tracks. I believe it's up to us, a student studying the guitar to put together a song piece by piece, build it up to speed and then play along with it. That's my opinion though
Michael AC
Sep 4 2011, 05:35 AM
You're not a pain man, just trying to let you know that tuxguitar will really help. If you have doubts with some of the parts, download tuxguitar, install it, open guitar pro file, and you can hear the tab playing in any tempo you imagine.
Thanks for the tip on TuxGuitar Ivan...just downloaded it...works great!
Todd Simpson
Sep 4 2011, 05:45 AM
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and to add, this is why todds students seem to progress so well , because he lets them hear songs at a slow speed along with being able to follow him at a slow speeds ,
Well, one reason my Saturday Video Chat students make such good progress is they PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE
And they come to a Two Hour Intensive Marathon Melt Your Fingers Clinic Each Weekend with yours truly @ 10PM GMT.
I have seen you there sometimes, and I want to invite you back! we had a great one today. Time does not always permit everyone to make it to the chats, I understand that believe me, but the lesson notes are always there with notes/tabs/clips and you can shoot me questions any time
I"m here to help!
I do try to build the lessons using simple shapes and pattern which then get a bit more complex and then are played against a backing so that they have some context. I do find that creating the simplest shape/pattern possible and working it with a metronome helps everyone to build some quick muscle memory so when we move to the hard bits their hands are in fighting shape. Then when we put it to music it all makes sense
All of the lessons are in the WIKI as a bonus! Thank GOD for Fran! He RAWKS!
http://bit.ly/twtgmc
Gabriel Leopardi
Sep 4 2011, 07:37 AM
Ivan's idea is what I do nowadays when I'm learning a difficult song. There wasn't GMC or Guitar Pro when I was a students but nowadays I still learn songs over my level and I use to set the guitar pro file in a lower tempo to practice over it. It's an awesome tool. Tuxguitar is free and is made in Argentina!
Praetorian
Sep 5 2011, 02:45 AM
Wow...I think that's a great idea! I would love to see and hear the instructors play at a slow, medium and regular speed!
Ivan Milenkovic
Sep 5 2011, 08:28 AM
This would be interesting for faster paced lessons, no doubt.
I agree it would be great for difficult lessons and high tempo lessons, however, I believe you learn alot by putting it together yourself....You can't expect and instructor to do everyting for you. You grow alot as a musician and a guitar player by working on the timing and tempo at different speeds
DenisN
Sep 5 2011, 08:51 AM
I have one more suggestion regarding the lessons. Every time you select a video the instructor starts by explaining each single note of the lick. I woluld like to see first how the lick sounds slowly (like the instructiors repats it at the end) and then each single note.
I think taht wolud really help a lot as you see what he is aiming for.
BR,
Denis
Kristofer Dahl
Sep 5 2011, 10:30 AM
Very good feedback here - please keep them coming and we will try to revise (and possibly better standardise) lesson guidelines!
Ivan Milenkovic
Sep 5 2011, 10:37 AM
Is it possible to choose videos when on fullscreen? That's not so important option, but it would be cool
Kristofer Dahl
Sep 5 2011, 10:45 AM
Is it possible to choose videos when on fullscreen? That's not so important option, but it would be cool
No the flash full screen mode is a little limiting. It's possible but requires a major rebuild
Fran
Sep 5 2011, 10:48 AM
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All of the lessons are in the WIKI as a bonus! Thank GOD for Fran! He RAWKS!
http://bit.ly/twtgmcThanks man, glad to be of help
I'm going to add more now
Very good feedback here - please keep them coming and we will try to revise (and possibly better standardise) lesson guidelines!
They are very good lessons. I think the lessons that are level 6 and above should include a brief video discussion on technique, as it is great when u are not ready to tackle the lesson yet but you can learn from a certain technique, eg: rapid trills, fast Ap, fluid legato etc.
If there was a video discussion briefly on this, ppl of lesser skill, ie ME, would be able to start chopping away at these parts of the lesson and come back a few months later when the technique has been tackled.....just a thought
Sinisa Cekic
Sep 5 2011, 11:59 AM
Some good suggestions here, will try to improve it
thefireball
Sep 5 2011, 02:26 PM
No the flash full screen mode is a little limiting. It's possible but requires a major rebuild
I never fullscreen it anyway.
I just watch the instructor and tabs. I mainly use my ear to help me time the tabs.
Blister
Sep 5 2011, 03:32 PM
There is a free trial here :
http://www.guitar-pro.com/en/index.phpYou can also use this alternative version of the software which offers similar funcionality (for free!) :
http://www.tuxguitar.com.ar/download.htmlI'm sure Guitar Pro is a much better tool than TuxGuitar, but TG fits my needs (& wallet) perfectly. Most of you here at GMC are adding new items to my "gear wish list"everyday. I currently am using Linux but TG will certainly work on Windows or Apple. It really helps to see the sheet music & tabs together. I use it for nearly every lesson.
And they come to a Two Hour Intensive Marathon Melt Your Fingers Clinic Each Weekend with yours truly @ 10PM GMT.
All of the lessons are in the WIKI as a bonus! Thank GOD for Fran! He RAWKS!
http://bit.ly/twtgmcI love the new name for the Saturday Video Chat! Can we get t-shirts made with
T.H.I.M.M.Y.F.C. ?
The WIKI is also a valuable resource. I'll add my thanks as well, Fran!
A lot of great comments here!
Gary
Michael AC
Sep 5 2011, 03:46 PM
The fact that Kris you listen to us on here is what makes it so valuable! Really appreciate all the work everyone does!
Cosmin Lupu
Sep 5 2011, 10:42 PM
I just went through all that was being written in here
on one hand, all the remarks are very good and they shall most certainly bring progress to our already awesome site. BUT maybe, some of you will tell me I'm wrong or something in that direction - I strongly believe that there has to be a challenge factor in the lessons which doesn't have to reside in technical prowess only, as thefireball said...using our ears is the essence of becoming a good musician and if we totally give everything already processed to our brain, we won't develop any awesome skill at all, don't you think? It's just a thought, but learning songs by ear, helps A LOT.. trust me
Kristofer Dahl
Sep 6 2011, 08:14 AM
I just went through all that was being written in here
on one hand, all the remarks are very good and they shall most certainly bring progress to our already awesome site. BUT maybe, some of you will tell me I'm wrong or something in that direction - I strongly believe that there has to be a challenge factor in the lessons which doesn't have to reside in technical prowess only, as thefireball said...using our ears is the essence of becoming a good musician and if we totally give everything already processed to our brain, we won't develop any awesome skill at all, don't you think? It's just a thought, but learning songs by ear, helps A LOT.. trust me
Hmm you have got a point - but I don't really think people need GMC for that kind of challenge (well maybe and ear training machine excepted, it would be cool to have that).
Also this kind of challenge could be suited for a competition ("transcribe this solo" kind of thing)
Daniel Realpe
Sep 6 2011, 04:39 PM
Maybe what jst is saying is that at slower speeds instructors could accentuate the pulse and the down-beat and make it really clear so that you have a guideline to be translated when it's played at faster speeds,
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