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Darius Wave
Hi Monica! Let's work on Your improvising skills. My proposition is to make a detailed analysis of some particular track. Do You have any favorite tracks to work on?
Monica Gheorghevici
QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jul 28 2013, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi Monica! Let's work on Your improvising skills. My proposition is to make a detailed analysis of some particular track. Do You have any favorite tracks to work on?


Hi Darek, thank you very much for accepting me smile.gif Currently I’m working on an improvisation over your backing track "Soft Ballad in E minor". Improvisation is finished but I still have the feeling that my improv is not as good as the backing track. I guess you realize how much I love BT. If you want we can work on it together and try to sound much better. So far I have recorded only one version that has some pretty bad with some false bends. It was recorded at first hand, just to not forget my idea. If you want I will send you this piece and then we will make changes to it.
Darius Wave
I'm afraid that one of the things You'll have to do if You want to develope Your playing is to share All You stuff...the one You're not proud off to smile.gif So...I have take a look at Yur aproach to the "poor puppy" smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Jul 28 2013, 03:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm afraid that one of the things You'll have to do if You want to develope Your playing is to share All You stuff...the one You're not proud off to smile.gif So...I have take a look at Yur aproach to the "poor puppy" smile.gif


So, what can I say, I don't like to share some stuff if they are not perfect. I will suicide after I upload the file biggrin.gif
You will see that I fail my all bends but was just a draft. I let the guitar very loud because you know the backing and I didn't want to use some tricks to make all sounds better smile.gif This is me recording at first hand just in the moment when I improvising.

Monica Gheorghevici

I forgot to tell you, in the version I uploaded, bends are without raking. In my mind bend must be with raking (not the first 2 bends). I didn't make a new recording because I thought my improvisation it's not finish yet smile.gif
Darius Wave
Monica You have a great sense of melody...it fits my preferences as hell. As for the improvisation - I remember You were present at the video chat when I talked about some details. Try to add them to Your playing.

Consider one thing -

Your amount of distortion is quite ok - I mean small enough to let the dynamics breakthrough - softer strokes has warmer tone and a bit less volume. That's ok and we need this to happen. But...In some situation the bridge pickup and too many notes played with picking kills the "smoothness of the track. I would focus on some very first few phrases and make a tons of variations. Firat of all I would search how to replace some picked notes with: bends, legato, slide etc.

Let's make it more fluid.

In this kind of track I would probably use bridge pickup only on the most agressive part somewhere in the end...to increase the tension. But...to note make a listener bored...You need to pla less in the beginning or at lest makes some exchange with dense parts to get rid of the constant tension feel.

I hope It's clear...I'm not sure You get me correct smile.gif

For example - the lick at 0:30. I would very softly touch the B note and then use my finger instead of the pick to hit E. Other two notes (F# and G) I would let them fade out by doing only slegato slides

Here is an example of what I would do with that short part:


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I'm beginning with soft pick hit and then soft finger touch, two legato slides. Then I hit the F# with my second finger again and make two bends (no picking, just laying on the first hit sustain). Of course I mena the second finger of the right hand.

Monica Gheorghevici

I’m glad to hear that you like it. That's good because if both have the same vision of melodic sense, working together on issues of my abilities this should go smile.gif
I remember all details that you said in Vchat. I still struggle to make those different bends that you showed and different approaches on a musical phrase but it’s not easy at all. When you play everything seems very easy, very natural to do but the next day every all things are different. This means I need more practice smile.gif

Don’t worry I think I understand correctly. You're right I always play too many notes with picking. I will start to remove this. I also want a beginning a little soft. The main idea was to make the whole intro without picking only make the accents with volume, like your intro from video "RIFFIT guitar solo contest". But it was just an unattainable dream.
I will start to play on neck pickup.

Your example was very clear to me and sounds great. I’ll make changes these days smile.gif
Darius Wave
Ok Monica smile.gif Give Yourself as much time as necessary. Cut all the solo to little pieces. It's nothing bad to work an hour to find the perfect execution for a 3 notes smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
I worked more then 1 hour for 3 notes biggrin.gif
So, I played on neck pickup and I tried to respect your example. It's very hard to hit the F# with my second finger and make 2 bends because I loose sound. Maybe because I don't hit much stronger or I think I misunderstand something. You told me to hit with the right hand and I made it with the left hand. I tried to find a solution to use right hand but it was impossible smile.gif
Darius Wave
I think this i very good way. I love it smile.gif You can add some more notes and some more picking in the moment that full section starts to play smile.gif Now try to show me same amount of bars of solo with section added smile.gif This way is a good way smile.gif Very smooth smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

Today I understand what you mean when you said about "to use for that note second finger on the right hand". You wanted hybrid picking but I tried a stupid thing smile.gif I tried to use my second finger on the right hand near finger on the left hand......was impossible of course smile.gif When I saw my fingers crossed I realize that I am blond again laugh.gif

This evening I will make the changes.
Darius Wave
QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Jul 30 2013, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Today I understand what you mean when you said about "to use for that note second finger on the right hand". You wanted hybrid picking but I tried a stupid thing smile.gif I tried to use my second finger on the right hand near finger on the left hand......was impossible of course smile.gif When I saw my fingers crossed I realize that I am blond again laugh.gif

This evening I will make the changes.



Ha ha ha ha ah!!!!!! Please make a video if You make it happen biggrin.gif I'd love to see this happening biggrin.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
I made the changes for intro smile.gif
Darius Wave
Well done Monica! smile.gif This is very good. Now show me how can You add some more energy - only a little to next few bars smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
I try to add a little energy for next few bars but I think is too much smile.gif

Darius Wave
This concept is ok - it adds some tension but doesn't expand all the tools that will be usefull while playing with the full section. For my private taste I would think of adding some more contrast in this part. It probably the last moment when any dynamics contrats would affect emotionality of the solo that well. Try to mix some very agressive bluesy phrases (sharp tone, straight pick, full power) with warm and sotfly played notes. Treat it like a human talking about something important with all the feelings that coexist while he/she speaks smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

I made another demo and I tried to combine softly played notes with some straight pick and full power. I think at 0:49-0:52 it still to loud, but I tried to play that part much softly only with a little crescendo but didn't sound ok.
One question: when you tell me to mix some "very aggressive bluesy phrases" you mean to change the melodic line with some bluesy lick or only the feeling?
BTW I didn't know that I can play with more feeling that I played usual smile.gif It's a nice feeling to discover myself behind my issue skills. So, if something don't sound good please put me to make that thing for 100 times and "squeeze me" to the limit biggrin.gif
Darius Wave
QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Aug 4 2013, 05:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I made another demo and I tried to combine softly played notes with some straight pick and full power. I think at 0:49-0:52 it still to loud, but I tried to play that part much softly only with a little crescendo but didn't sound ok.
One question: when you tell me to mix some "very aggressive bluesy phrases" you mean to change the melodic line with some bluesy lick or only the feeling?
BTW I didn't know that I can play with more feeling that I played usual smile.gif It's a nice feeling to discover myself behind my issue skills. So, if something don't sound good please put me to make that thing for 100 times and "squeeze me" to the limit biggrin.gif



I think You get the point smile.gif It not about blues licks but the way the tone and dynamics level change in blues playing is very cool. It's a contrats in very sjort phrases. It sound like to people talking but one is screaming and the second is just softly saying "sorry". You indeed made a crescendo in that third part and it sounded very ok even if it was not 100% what I meant it still ad some good to the track. Try to make alternative version with bles geeling...like...You hit one note very hard, do a soft preband and release. Than a few soft notes as the answer...etc smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici


I made another version, I put a new very soft bend inside to make some difference in "discussion".
But I still have the feeling that something isn't right. Something missing in my puzzle smile.gif
Darius Wave
I think we have this thing done - explained via video chat. Waiting for the results smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici


Another day another attempt smile.gif This version is different but, I think the notes should be played very slowly are pretty strong smile.gif Tell me please how far I am from the correct version?
Darius Wave
Nope....this isn't what we need yet.... To much tension, not enough breath in this ending part. We need very short moments of agression mixed with longers parts of soft responses smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

You know what is funny? You explained me very good in Vchat and I understand. To be sure, I tried to make that contrast with aggressive bluesy phrases on another lick and was ok. When I try to make the same thing on our lick is a big fail. I don't know why this thing happens. In our part I think that notes are playing a little liniar and it's hard to make it in bluesy style. If it was a lick with some pentatonic structure were much simple because inspires me to use that dynamic. I tried to explain you what happen in my mind and maybe we find how to fix that problem.
Now more than ever I want to manage to make that parts sound as it should. I must to make a perfect version.

This is another version smile.gif
Darius Wave
QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Aug 9 2013, 06:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You know what is funny? You explained me very good in Vchat and I understand. To be sure, I tried to make that contrast with aggressive bluesy phrases on another lick and was ok. When I try to make the same thing on our lick is a big fail. I don't know why this thing happens. In our part I think that notes are playing a little liniar and it's hard to make it in bluesy style. If it was a lick with some pentatonic structure were much simple because inspires me to use that dynamic. I tried to explain you what happen in my mind and maybe we find how to fix that problem.
Now more than ever I want to manage to make that parts sound as it should. I must to make a perfect version.

This is another version smile.gif



You are right...We need to chabge the whole lick smile.gif One of the reasons is that it's linear in case of rhythm. Maybe try to mess with it a bit more. Add some breaks and some dense moments smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

Before to change whole lick I was thinking again what I'm doing wrong. Then I decide to change position of playing for that part with one more comfortable. I realised that I "walking" with big movements like a mad man, without reason. And then I was losing the essential, to fix my full attention on feeling not on the movements. Of course is not perfect but I think is a big difference because is more emotional smile.gif
Darius Wave
Yes...now we're back on track smile.gif I think You can do better! biggrin.gif But now You found the way...smile.gif This is what I meant smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

Ha,ha....between us, you are the only one who believe that I can do better biggrin.gif I made another demo but the differences between the versions are very small. I tried to analyze again the whole lick and I think that something is missing between the two bends with raking. In the last version between bends we had a little crescendo. This idea is ok but not satisfactory. I thought the good thing would be to add another 3-4 notes aggressive in that part and then to make a very small crescendo in the final. But it was not a good idea and didn't sound like it was in my mind. Where I do wrong and what can I do to sound as it should?
Darius Wave
I think the dynamics are ok...You could only try to mess with some rhythm. I mean more very short but fast licks at the higher strength moments. Maybe try to treat those soft notes with triplet feel too
Monica Gheorghevici

After many issues with my computer today, another version is ready smile.gif I tried to make some notes with triplet feel. I think this time, soft notes is not really soft because I don't know what happend but when I saved the demo everything was to loud but the volume of the guitar was at half.
Darius Wave
I think You should go to next part. There is no "correct" version. Otherwise we would all play exactly the same wink.gif You csan always go back and add some changes if You feel something is missing but for now the tension grows in a very good way smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

I tried to lower the guitar volume at the end of the intro and the difference is hearing disturbing. Do you think I should play more soft that part of the end? I think I made the same mistake and again I have too manny notes played with picking and because of that the sound is not warm.

About the second part for intro you have right and always go back and add some changes. So, after we will finish the whole song I think we should go back to the second part smile.gif I don't know how to explain it to you, but I have the feeling that part is good only half. I didn't taken full advantage of this part.
But now I will concentrate for new parts smile.gif
Darius Wave
It's exactly what I do very often! smile.gif It's good choice because If You'll put 100% into some middle parts and it will sound like they're not ok with the rest of the song the this time is wasted smile.gif You can always go back. My only advice for that part is that there is no breath. To many notes. Good dynamics concept...But You didn't left the "relaxation" moment for the listener. I would only remove a few notes so it won't sound so dense smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici


You said the magic words “to many notes” and then my mind was lighted and I went back to make changes. I left more space smile.gif So, how do you think it sound now? Am I removed too many notes?
One mention, the first bends from the first part of intro is around tone smile.gif I concentrate only for the new part and I made some mistakes smile.gif
You didn’t say anything about the last part of intro. What do I do wrong in that part?
Darius Wave
I like those changes in the part before...it's smoother now smile.gif But...I would remove some more notes from the last part smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

Mission accomplished, I removed more notes from the last part smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

What you say about the last modified? You listened, it's ok or you want me to do others changes? smile.gif
Darius Wave
I'm gibing myselft some to to analyse. Something is not right with the ending....not enough contrast. I'm searching for some tips for ya smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

I made a new attempt. I know that you don't gave me yet new instructions, but I think You will don't mind if I tried to put some contrast in the final part smile.gif I try to follow your advice that you gave me in the last Vchat. I do not know how well it came out smile.gif In the first part bends are not in tone wink.gif
Darius Wave
Monica...I spent all day finishing mentholwhore collab but I found one thing we have to seriously fix. Watching Your take I found You're holding the pick on the flat side of the first finger. I did the same through a few first years of playing...but I had to switch to the side of the finger to be able to make one step further....We have to talk about it on the next video chat...please remind me smile.gif


Also I would like You to try this lesson:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/ls/Blues-Dynamics/


There some dynamic and rhythm groups we might like to use in poor puppy workshop smile.gif I think You're gonna like the lesson smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
You busted me biggrin.gif I have a big problem with holding pick. I never thought, you will see this thing in that short video. But.....your vigilant eyes miss something, I hold the pick with 3 fingers not with 2 fingers laugh.gif It's hard to explain how can I do that big stupid thing.

You're right and I like Piotr's lesson. Coincidence is that I just looked at it this morning (until you to give me the new task) and that part with Gary Moore style is awesome smile.gif The only strange thing for me is that I love to listen blues but You can't imagine how much I hate to play blues. Maybe because when I tried, I failed to play with correct feeling wink.gif
I will make this lesson, but I will not rush to finish very fast because that phrasing is not easy to imitate. I don't want to ruin the lesson wink.gif
Darius Wave
So You accept the challange biggrin.gif Will You be able to participate in tomorrow's chat? I'll explain some thing about the picking hand grip smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

Of course, I will be present at Vchat. I will never miss your lessons wink.gif
Darius Wave
How about Your take over blues phrasing lesson ?smile.gif There are many usefull licks and concepts! smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici

Your task stuck me between two conceptions. First conception is that I hate to play blues and second conception I hate to cover somebody. I'm the unsuitable person to play the blues. I try to catch that feeling but.....big fail. And bend, after bend, after bend......another fail. I stop and I start to thinking what can I do.

So, I try another idea until to return at my challenge lesson.
I made my take for Patrik collab with another phrasing. More different that I used the listeners smile.gif Much happy take version with more bends, hammer on and different accents. Now is finished but I want more attitude in play and some changes wink.gif

But, in this weekend I will work only for that challenge lesson smile.gif The bad parts is I forgot almost all my initial version for "poor puppy". I spend a lot time making another things and I feel like I'm getting away from the initial task.
Darius Wave
You hate blues as long As You don't know it well wink.gif Descent blues players have a lot of emotional stuff to learn from them. It's very good school of building emotions and avoid "square playing"
Monica Gheorghevici

This is my take for Patrik metal collab. New version and good version of course, with some pinch harmonics and all bends in tone wink.gif

I want to ask you if you could tell me please if it's sound ok, because you know that I have some problems when I try to improvise on metal style. If you think that I must make some changes please tell me or let me know if it's ok to let it in this version smile.gif




Darius Wave
Very nice take! You don't have to be a shredder to play cool solo over metal track. You took care about some details that needed fix in the demo version of Your take. I like the pinch harmonic going slowly down. The only thing You could consider while making progress with next takes for next collabs is how to remove some of the picking while You go to the second part of the solo - it's about adding some fluency, replacing constant picking articulation with some longer legato runs etc.
Monica Gheorghevici

You have perfectly right about my abusive picking smile.gif I didn't like the sound of constant picking because it gives a linear sound.
I managed to control this thing in other melodic improvisations that we work together. All you taught me was successful smile.gif But when I hear this metal beat I don't know why I play with pick after pick. This is a big issue that we must fix together for others similar metal stuff. I'm scared when the beat is over 160 BPM biggrin.gif




Darius Wave
QUOTE (Monica Gheorghevici @ Oct 16 2013, 09:22 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You have perfectly right about my abusive picking smile.gif I didn't like the sound of constant picking because it gives a linear sound.
I managed to control this thing in other melodic improvisations that we work together. All you taught me was successful smile.gif But when I hear this metal beat I don't know why I play with pick after pick. This is a big issue that we must fix together for others similar metal stuff. I'm scared when the beat is over 160 BPM biggrin.gif



Nothing to be scared of smile.gif First step to the solution is just knowing the problem is there. It's not a huge issue but indeed You could play the same notes trying som basic tricks like just replacing some longer picking parts with legato or just make it for exchange. Also vibration notes between two differen notes (like B to C bend and release matched to the song tempo) is something that could keep the "motor going on" but also will help to leave that constant picking feeling smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
Until I will finish your lesson for our mentoring (I take 3 days holiday to finish that smile.gif ), I want to ask you something. I don't know if you saw but I made a video with some techniques for expression played separately. It's obvious that I made more mistakes trying to show all of that. Why I made this video....you will see it in my topic biggrin.gif
Can you tell me please what am I doing wrong on those techniques? Of course when I mix all this techniques sounds decent, but separately the errors appear. I want to fix that and I don't know where is the problem (I guess it's something wrong at the right hand like usual). One thing before you tell me that....I know I hold the pick on the flat side of the first fingers smile.gif I still try to repair this but it takes much longer time biggrin.gif Until now I can do only some things in the correct position but I work on this wink.gif

You can find my video here:

http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=50435








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