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Darius Wave
I was always sure about that but everytime I launch one of those It only makes me sure about how awesome those amps are. You can turn the eq however You like and it always sound good, different but still good. Here's a little demo smile.gif



Of course...it's always a matter of what You actually play and for some particular things it might not be the best amp...but for me it's awesome. Damn juicy mids smile.gif


liveOASISforever
Great video Darius. Looks like you had a lot of fun.I have never tried a orange amp but from the amount of videos I have watched with people using them they do sound amazing
Darius Wave
Thanx! Oh yes they do smile.gif Unfortunately videos don't translate even a half of the warmth that this amp has in a live situations smile.gif
Monica Gheorghevici
You always do very cool demo videos smile.gif I really like this concept between some funny and serious sides, you give energy and joy smile.gif I saw that you changed the pickups on Hufschmid.
Now about the Orange, the sound that start at 7:28 it's really awesome smile.gif I'm curious how it fits in a mix. Sounds warm and with that reverb on it, is very pleasant smile.gif I like it very much.



Gabriel Leopardi
Very good testing video Darius! I have tried some Orange amps and I must agree with you about versatility and the fact that tones are different but always good and usable. Thanks for sharing.
bleez
very cool video dude. made me LOL when it cut to you playing with your back to the camera biggrin.gif
I'd really like to get one of those amps. They look awesome and Im sure id play much better if I had one!
Todd Simpson
Spiff Vid!! The Orange Amps killer smile.gif You nailed it, they are not perfect for everything but what they do, they do really, really well! I did a vid of the ORANGE JIM ROOT head a bit back and I really dug it!








QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Feb 2 2014, 09:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was always sure about that but everytime I launch one of those It only makes me sure about how awesome those amps are. You can turn the eq however You like and it always sound good, different but still good. Here's a little demo smile.gif



Of course...it's always a matter of what You actually play and for some particular things it might not be the best amp...but for me it's awesome. Damn juicy mids smile.gif
AK Rich
Man I have wanted to pick up an Orange for quite some time , for me I think it is just what the doctor ordered. Thanks for the demo D!
Darius Wave
Thanx guys and girls smile.gif I was in love with orange since i had an ocassion to randomly play a gig on one of those. Unfortunately usually had a bad luck - when i had some money there was none in the second hand but got to buy one someday.

Monica - yes i did change those since few .months back. They are different smile.gif

Bleez - ha ha smile.gif)) finally someone appreciated smile.gif))



Cool review Todd. Havent tried this particular version of terror but the rest was insanely loud for the nominal power ratint smile.gif
Cosmin Lupu
Great vid man smile.gif I tried the Orange only once - the guys sharing the rehearsal room with us, have one. But Frankly I haven't had enough time to noodle with it. Your vid convinced me to borrow that one from the guys and try it home smile.gif Thank you!
Darius Wave
That's a great idea but keep in mind that those amp are different and Rockerverb is very specific one. I had an AD30 for some time and it didn't match my taste at all. I mean the frequency response was awesome and the dynamics too but the type of drive was not my taste and there was and issue with fx loop. One guy was trying to make one but seems like this amp is made like from two separated preamps (can't tell the details). Unfortunately for my regular giging fx loop is a must.

About the FX loop itself. It's one of most annoying Marshall'a (at least some of those like DSl, TSL...JCM200 series) the loop is not installed directly after the preamp (it's somewhere in the middle) and when You plug anything to FX loop it really does affect the tone - not only the frequency response but also the drive amount :/
Cosmin Lupu
QUOTE (Darius Wave @ Feb 3 2014, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's a great idea but keep in mind that those amp are different and Rockerverb is very specific one. I had an AD30 for some time and it didn't match my taste at all. I mean the frequency response was awesome and the dynamics too but the type of drive was not my taste and there was and issue with fx loop. One guy was trying to make one but seems like this amp is made like from two separated preamps (can't tell the details). Unfortunately for my regular giging fx loop is a must.

About the FX loop itself. It's one of most annoying Marshall'a (at least some of those like DSl, TSL...JCM200 series) the loop is not installed directly after the preamp (it's somewhere in the middle) and when You plug anything to FX loop it really does affect the tone - not only the frequency response but also the drive amount :/


Will try and tell you what it feels like mate smile.gif Thanks for the heads up wink.gif
AK Rich
Pricey amps, even used. Here is one I found being sold used locally.

http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/4275550540.html
Hajduk
Love your demo vids Darius smile.gif Always sound awesome. Love orange amps I have a Orange crush cream amp, just a little guy I think 20 watts and not tube but sounds great.
Cosmin Lupu
QUOTE (AK Rich @ Feb 4 2014, 06:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Pricey amps, even used. Here is one I found being sold used locally.

http://anchorage.craigslist.org/msg/4275550540.html


Woohah... 1500 bucks for a 30 watt amp biggrin.gif yeah, pricey indeed..
Darius Wave
Yes those were always very expensive (or maybe not as much as some other handcrafted) but those are worth the price. Factory want's to keep the prestige. As far as I know they don't care about cutting the costs and moving the production to China.

Hajduk - thanx man! I always try to do my best smile.gif
Todd Simpson
CRAZY pricey IMHO!!!! Honestly that's why I"ve never owned one personally. That price is just insane. Sure it's a great sounding amp smile.gif But after working with the JIM ROOT HEAD for a few weeks I was able to dial in a Jim Root Orange Tone by ear in OVERLOUD that sounded pretty much identical in a mix. I even shared the patch in my patch thread smile.gif

Orange amps are great to "date" but I would not "marry" one smile.gif
Here is the "tone clone" patch I "earballed" in overloud to sound like the jim root orange head I reviewed. Enjoy! smile.gif

https://soundcloud.com/techniqueswithtodd/overloud-th1-preset-free


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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 5 2014, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Woohah... 1500 bucks for a 30 watt amp biggrin.gif yeah, pricey indeed..
Cosmin Lupu
Darius, well that means that this is a strong company, man - if they are not making compromises in order to sell more... hats off. It means they are really good at what they do and not afraid that pricey will be their downfall.

Todd - you are a very patient man smile.gif biggrin.gif It sounds very good, but I bet it took some time to dial in, right?
Darius Wave
Maybe there is a huge differency in EU prices comparing to US. Some things You consider cheap, are expensive as hell in Poland. I think here we have the main problem sad.gif
AK Rich
I have recently become aware (Actually it has been a year ago) that the biggest music store we have here in Alaska is now carrying Orange amps, I really need to get in there a check them out. smile.gif

http://mammothmusicak.wordpress.com/
Todd Simpson
Thanks smile.gif It took FOREVER to dial in. I spent nearly two weeks (with the amp and one guitar and OVERLOUD and another guitar, going back and forth, and back and forth) working on ONE PATCH as I couldn't get the "Tubey" character at first. The JIM ROOT respondes in a very specific way to palm muting that's different than the way other amps respond. IT's a bit softer/spungier but still heavy. Trying to capture that was an enormous chore. But finally got it! smile.gif


Todd

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 6 2014, 03:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Darius, well that means that this is a strong company, man - if they are not making compromises in order to sell more... hats off. It means they are really good at what they do and not afraid that pricey will be their downfall.

Todd - you are a very patient man smile.gif biggrin.gif It sounds very good, but I bet it took some time to dial in, right?
Cosmin Lupu
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 6 2014, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks smile.gif It took FOREVER to dial in. I spent nearly two weeks (with the amp and one guitar and OVERLOUD and another guitar, going back and forth, and back and forth) working on ONE PATCH as I couldn't get the "Tubey" character at first. The JIM ROOT respondes in a very specific way to palm muting that's different than the way other amps respond. IT's a bit softer/spungier but still heavy. Trying to capture that was an enormous chore. But finally got it! smile.gif


Todd


I thought it would involve a great deal of 'ear training' biggrin.gif See, this is a weak spot for me - I don't have enough patience to noodle with that enormous amount of parameters laugh.gif It makes me feel like I want to run away...

Darius - I know exactly what you're talking about - European prices and USA prices. The bad part is that if you order something from the USA you get to pay taxes when it arrives in Europe, so that in the end you find yourself paying the same amount of money..
Todd Simpson
It was rather laborious making the plugin sound like the amp as I had to keep going back and forth and back and forth between amp and sim. It took longer than I've ever spent before or since. After that I gave up on doing tone clones that way smile.gif

QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 7 2014, 03:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I thought it would involve a great deal of 'ear training' biggrin.gif See, this is a weak spot for me - I don't have enough patience to noodle with that enormous amount of parameters laugh.gif It makes me feel like I want to run away...

Darius - I know exactly what you're talking about - European prices and USA prices. The bad part is that if you order something from the USA you get to pay taxes when it arrives in Europe, so that in the end you find yourself paying the same amount of money..
Palacios
Great demo Darius,
I actually use an Orange Amp, but much smaller. I unfortunately have neighbors all around me; so I can't get as loud as I'd like. (welcome to San Franciso; I don't know how Journey, Green Day, and Metallica did it.) Its perfect for me. It has a lot of effects, and the tuner on it is very handy. I love that funky British look and sound of it. Ben Higgins would be right at home with it. lol
Darius Wave
Go for it biggrin.gif
Cosmin Lupu
QUOTE (Palacios @ Feb 9 2014, 07:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great demo Darius,
I actually use an Orange Amp, but much smaller. I unfortunately have neighbors all around me; so I can't get as loud as I'd like. (welcome to San Franciso; I don't know how Journey, Green Day, and Metallica did it.) Its perfect for me. It has a lot of effects, and the tuner on it is very handy. I love that funky British look and sound of it. Ben Higgins would be right at home with it. lol


It has incorporated effects, or do you use pedals with the amp? smile.gif
Darius Wave
QUOTE (Palacios @ Feb 9 2014, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Great demo Darius,
I actually use an Orange Amp, but much smaller. I unfortunately have neighbors all around me; so I can't get as loud as I'd like. (welcome to San Franciso; I don't know how Journey, Green Day, and Metallica did it.) Its perfect for me. It has a lot of effects, and the tuner on it is very handy. I love that funky British look and sound of it. Ben Higgins would be right at home with it. lol



Yeah...neighbours are usually a problem. I don't keep any of my big amps at home. All are at rehearsal place smile.gif Count me in to the british tone fans list smile.gif
Palacios
QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 10 2014, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It has incorporated effects, or do you use pedals with the amp? smile.gif

I do. i just started playing with the distortion pedal. I have a wa wa pedal, but I haven't really used it yet.
Blister
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 6 2014, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thanks smile.gif It took FOREVER to dial in. I spent nearly two weeks (with the amp and one guitar and OVERLOUD and another guitar, going back and forth, and back and forth) working on ONE PATCH as I couldn't get the "Tubey" character at first. The JIM ROOT respondes in a very specific way to palm muting that's different than the way other amps respond. IT's a bit softer/spungier but still heavy. Trying to capture that was an enormous chore. But finally got it! smile.gif


Todd


Todd, when you are trying to "clone" a patch, are you doing it strictly by ear?
Cosmin Lupu
Hey guys biggrin.gif Got something for ya:

Pantera's 'Walk' - played by my band mate Cezar and filmed yesterday evening at the Domination gig rehearsals - Jim Root orange head, PRS Custom 24 and Marshal 2x12 cab. I was amazed of how good it sounds. There are no in betweens - just guitar, amp, cab - The sound is kind of bad but still... Just thought it would be a cool addition to this thread wink.gif The head belongs to one of his bandmates in his other project and I had a big surprise to find it there. He wasn't in the mood to carry his Mesa rig and took the little guy out, as the rehearsal rooms of both Domination and his other project - Vita De Vie, are door to door smile.gif

Enjoy:

Darius Wave
Those little Orange bastards really do the job biggrin.gif
Todd Simpson
YUP!!!! smile.gif No fancy technology involved. I usually just take two guitars, and leave both plugged in and play a bit on each system (amp then plugin) then tweak a bit, rinse, repeat.

I did one for Bens Marshall tone and it took a couple of days but the darn ORANGE has such complexity in the bass/low range of the signal that it was hard to replicate it. The "Character" of the amp is very distinctive and not easy to mimic, or at least it wasn't easy for me smile.gif

Also, keep in mind it's just an "earball" sorta thing so it's far from being exact/correct/similar on a spectrum analyzer/etc. It's really an ear exercise smile.gif

Todd



QUOTE (Blister @ Feb 10 2014, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Todd, when you are trying to "clone" a patch, are you doing it strictly by ear?


Nice!!! I was seriously impressed at how LOUD the little jim root head was when I was trying it out. It was so darn loud that we almost couldn't isolate it. We had it in a soundproof booth using the half power switch and it was still so loud you could hear it through the wall. smile.gif

Todd




QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ Feb 11 2014, 02:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hey guys biggrin.gif Got something for ya:

Pantera's 'Walk' - played by my band mate Cezar and filmed yesterday evening at the Domination gig rehearsals - Jim Root orange head, PRS Custom 24 and Marshal 2x12 cab. I was amazed of how good it sounds. There are no in betweens - just guitar, amp, cab - The sound is kind of bad but still... Just thought it would be a cool addition to this thread wink.gif The head belongs to one of his bandmates in his other project and I had a big surprise to find it there. He wasn't in the mood to carry his Mesa rig and took the little guy out, as the rehearsal rooms of both Domination and his other project - Vita De Vie, are door to door smile.gif

Enjoy:

Cosmin Lupu
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Feb 12 2014, 01:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
YUP!!!! smile.gif No fancy technology involved. I usually just take two guitars, and leave both plugged in and play a bit on each system (amp then plugin) then tweak a bit, rinse, repeat.

I did one for Bens Marshall tone and it took a couple of days but the darn ORANGE has such complexity in the bass/low range of the signal that it was hard to replicate it. The "Character" of the amp is very distinctive and not easy to mimic, or at least it wasn't easy for me smile.gif

Also, keep in mind it's just an "earball" sorta thing so it's far from being exact/correct/similar on a spectrum analyzer/etc. It's really an ear exercise smile.gif

Todd





Nice!!! I was seriously impressed at how LOUD the little jim root head was when I was trying it out. It was so darn loud that we almost couldn't isolate it. We had it in a soundproof booth using the half power switch and it was still so loud you could hear it through the wall. smile.gif

Todd


Brain surgery like, for certain - as I said before Todd, you are a very patient man biggrin.gif

And yeah, it was very loud and small! I was like 'Whoaa, what do we have here!' When I entered the rehearsal room and saw it there.



I found this review which maybe you guys will dig smile.gif

SeeJay
I hate those Tiny Terrors, but that Jim Root Version seems alright. The top end is the tiny terror, dark terror and dual terror is just fizzy crap and you cant dial it out.

I also couldn't vibe with the AD30. I had one in a studio that I tracked some stuff with. It's got 2 channels but they seem to do the same thing. I had a conversation with a buddy who LOVES that model and he said out of the box they aren't setup right. Take it to a good tech and swap a tube or two and you can really do what it's supposed to do.

BUT with all that said,

I LOVE me some Oranges. The OR series is straight up rock and roll. The TH series I think is a solid high gain amp. Surprised it's not getting more love around here.

check it out

Darius Wave
Ha ha smile.gif SeeJay...got to set up for a beer mate wink.gif AD30 didn't convinced me too wink.gif Not because of dynamics (which were cool for playing blues) but...that little fizzy thing happening above the useful guitar midrange smile.gif Seems we have similar taste
Cosmin Lupu
Hehe! I was also surprised by the Jim Root model myself - haven't gotten around to play that much with it, but what I heard was nice at a first try a few months ago. It was in a band context, as we had it for one/two rehearsals with the Pantera tribute. I haven't yet tried other Orange amps, but I am seriously thinking of getting a 2x12 Orange cab.
SeeJay
Darius Wave, I'll hit ya up if I'm ever in Poland. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

A few years ago I was getting a lot of comments from buddies saying, "I just don't hear what you hear" when we would check out new amps and gear. So it's been a lot of reflection on what I'm hearing and how I try and shape it to help explain myself.

I think I've broken it down to a more emotional context like this:

  • Mids are what will bring legitimacy to your tone. More mids means a more forward tone. It's the best place to define YOUR sound.
  • Highs are what can tickle your ears, bring some excitement. (side note: A byproduct of high gain can be that fizzy high end)
  • Lows are just where your balls are. It will determine how strong your tone is. Just like everything, if you don't have a good foundation, you won't hold up well.
  • And MOST important is just balancing those ideas to further help you express what you want to say by playing guitar.


These are what moods I think each represent to me, I'm not talking in the technical world of "well my pick noise is in the high mids", blah blah blah.

Amps like the Tiny Terror, when you turn them on and you've got the gain low but there's that crap, fizz high end frustrate me. It shows me that the way it's designed to REACT is very locked in. I want an amp that blossoms and shifts and warms as I start moving knobs.

But this is all me. Some dudes just pop up a few knobs, stare at their guitars the whole time and are happy.

QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 6 2014, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Ha ha smile.gif SeeJay...got to set up for a beer mate wink.gif AD30 didn't convinced me too wink.gif Not because of dynamics (which were cool for playing blues) but...that little fizzy thing happening above the useful guitar midrange smile.gif Seems we have similar taste
Cosmin Lupu
QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 7 2014, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Darius Wave, I'll hit ya up if I'm ever in Poland. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

A few years ago I was getting a lot of comments from buddies saying, "I just don't hear what you hear" when we would check out new amps and gear. So it's been a lot of reflection on what I'm hearing and how I try and shape it to help explain myself.

I think I've broken it down to a more emotional context like this:

  • Mids are what will bring legitimacy to your tone. More mids means a more forward tone. It's the best place to define YOUR sound.
  • Highs are what can tickle your ears, bring some excitement. (side note: A byproduct of high gain can be that fizzy high end)
  • Lows are just where your balls are. It will determine how strong your tone is. Just like everything, if you don't have a good foundation, you won't hold up well.
  • And MOST important is just balancing those ideas to further help you express what you want to say by playing guitar.


These are what moods I think each represent to me, I'm not talking in the technical world of "well my pick noise is in the high mids", blah blah blah.

Amps like the Tiny Terror, when you turn them on and you've got the gain low but there's that crap, fizz high end frustrate me. It shows me that the way it's designed to REACT is very locked in. I want an amp that blossoms and shifts and warms as I start moving knobs.

But this is all me. Some dudes just pop up a few knobs, stare at their guitars the whole time and are happy.


I think this is one of the nicest ways to describe guitar tone smile.gif kudos man - you really nailed it in human language! I always found ways to describe pretty much everything music related in such a way that people should understand it without running scared of decibels and parameters and all that jive, but you opened my eyes to a nice and comprehensive way in which I can talk about tone! Thank you!
Darius Wave
I'm now making experimnts to find best amp set up and very precise mic for live gigs. In my case best recording tones comes usually with mic on the cone and defult eq settings but there is no way I could stand that tone coming from the amp at stage volume level so now I work on getting best placement for high volume transpitions. I really hate what most popular guitar mics does with the treble.

What I mean is...I always set amp the guitar tone being exaclty at speakers height right in the face smile.gif I like to be sure people in front of the amp (in case of pub playing) don't get any harshness. but even if the tone is warm as hell (at high volume, of course it would be useless for recordings) I found that on the front speakers it still could be screwed. The biggest challenge here is how to get rid of treble (moving the mic off center) but at the same time not get too much bass.

One of the very popular situations on stage is to hear from the sound engeneer "man...roll down some bass" and the answer is..."man...it's already on zero!" biggrin.gif So the purpose of my experiments is to get compromise - nice tone on stage and well transmited on the front speakers.

By far what I can say is that the type of amps I like ( the RH30 for exmaple) has not a huge low end issues (much less lows on default position than some reference high gain amps) work best with 5 cm mic distance, off center (cone) and treble roll off to 25%. More or less doing this without any additional tweaking gives me acceptable toe for recordings (acceptable = refering to my taste)
But I could not stand that tone on stage (I mean....we hear different when the volume goes up) no the more "off center" I give the mic, i can still hear nasty 4-6 kHz boost but I loose some juicy high mids.

I had a few more ideas to make tons of another tests:

1. acoustic foam glues to the cabinet cloth only at the cap range - sort of natural LPF. This will provide best high mids, smallest low boost and overall....most even tone. But without a foam it's ugly as hell - even warm tone from the speaker, the mic treble boost destry it all...

2. SM57 mod - I found some german doing simple, passive circuit (a few coils, caps and pot) to flatten then natural 4-6 kHz boost of SM57. This could make me able to move the mic closer to the cap and again....get better translation between what I hear from the speaker and what the audience hear

klasaine
QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 8 2014, 07:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
1. acoustic foam glues to the cabinet cloth only at the cap range - sort of natural LPF. This will provide best high mids, smallest low boost and overall....most even tone. But without a foam it's ugly as hell - even warm tone from the speaker, the mic treble boost destry it all...


That's a 'trick' that a lot of guitarists (and pedal steel players) will do with a Fender Twin Reverb (or even a JC-120) ...
Cut out pieces of thick cardboard, about the diameter of a coffee can, and glue it to the inside of the grill directly over the dust cap. On a backlined amp they'll tape it to the front of the grill. I've done this a few times - works like a charm live when the super high end is just 'beaming' right at the fist three rows.
*There's even a product you can buy for this ... http://www.webervst.com/blocker.html
Darius Wave
Very cool to know this smile.gif Thanx Ken! Anyway I think it's too individual to buy a ready product. I prefer to adjust the foam thickness to the tone I set up for live playing. Watching this one I have a feeling it could be too thick
klasaine
Yeah, I would never 'buy' that.
Foam or cardboard and tape work perfectly ... and have worked since amplifiers were invented. This is an ancient trick/technique.
Todd Simpson
Very cool way to describe tone! And you guys are spot on about the FIZZ in tiny/dual terror IMHO. I tried them and with any real gain load they sorta turn in to a FIZZBALL with MUD. The JIM ROOT has the preamp section from one of the other ORANGE amps that Jim uses live (allegedly anyway, don't know enough about orange preamp sections to confirm).

I visited the Orange Showroom here in Atlanta and the only one of the small ones I really liked was the JIM ROOT, so I grabbed it smile.gif

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QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 8 2014, 04:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I think this is one of the nicest ways to describe guitar tone smile.gif kudos man - you really nailed it in human language! I always found ways to describe pretty much everything music related in such a way that people should understand it without running scared of decibels and parameters and all that jive, but you opened my eyes to a nice and comprehensive way in which I can talk about tone! Thank you!

SeeJay
QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 8 2014, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. SM57 mod - I found some german doing simple, passive circuit (a few coils, caps and pot) to flatten then natural 4-6 kHz boost of SM57. This could make me able to move the mic closer to the cap and again....get better translation between what I hear from the speaker and what the audience hear


But. . . at the end of the day, you still have a SM57. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif I see a lot of adds and chatted with a lot of people who talk about modding 57s. Which, to me seems odd to buy a cheap mic, spend a chunk of money to mod it to make it a more decent mic. When for the same amount of money, I'm sure you could just buy a better mic.

I'm from Gwinnett Co. in Georgia. What shop is that?

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 8 2014, 08:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Very cool way to describe tone! And you guys are spot on about the FIZZ in tiny/dual terror IMHO. I tried them and with any real gain load they sorta turn in to a FIZZBALL with MUD. The JIM ROOT has the preamp section from one of the other ORANGE amps that Jim uses live (allegedly anyway, don't know enough about orange preamp sections to confirm).

I visited the Orange Showroom here in Atlanta and the only one of the small ones I really liked was the JIM ROOT, so I grabbed it smile.gif

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Todd Simpson
It's the main ORANGE AMPS office in Atlanta. It's not really a shop. It's the distribution center for the entire region. I connected with the guy who runs it in order to do an amp demo for them. Great guy and great place smile.gif Every current ORANGE in one room.

QUOTE (SeeJay @ May 8 2014, 06:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But. . . at the end of the day, you still have a SM57. tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif I see a lot of adds and chatted with a lot of people who talk about modding 57s. Which, to me seems odd to buy a cheap mic, spend a chunk of money to mod it to make it a more decent mic. When for the same amount of money, I'm sure you could just buy a better mic.

I'm from Gwinnett Co. in Georgia. What shop is that?

Darius Wave
Actually those mods are veeery low cost. I found most people take of the transformer but it adds more presence which is not what I'm looking for. Second mod cut's the natural boost of that mic so this is way closer to what I need. Yep - I will always have sm57 because it's a reference for others. I make a lot of demos. You'll find most of amps demos I made using ATM650. I still like it better smile.gif But...to avoid questions like "nice demo man but how it sounds with sm57?" I keep one wink.gif
SeeJay
Yea that ATM650 sounds rad, I'm glad you got me hip to it.

If you really get people whining about you not using a 57, just tell them to get a life. rolleyes.gif


QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 9 2014, 07:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually those mods are veeery low cost. I found most people take of the transformer but it adds more presence which is not what I'm looking for. Second mod cut's the natural boost of that mic so this is way closer to what I need. Yep - I will always have sm57 because it's a reference for others. I make a lot of demos. You'll find most of amps demos I made using ATM650. I still like it better smile.gif But...to avoid questions like "nice demo man but how it sounds with sm57?" I keep one wink.gif

Todd Simpson
This is a GREAT point by DARIUS here. No matter what you record with, people wont believe the the results until they hear it with a 57 on it. It's just such a ubiquitous mic that it's almost as if "If you didn't record it with an SM57, it didn't happen".

So it's worth keeping at least one around. smile.gif I've been using a Beta 58 which is a beta 57 with a ball grill essentially and I take off the ball grill for recording guitar cabs. It doesn't impact that sound as much as I thought it would taking the outer cap off though. Just a pinch brighter without it. I have a standard SM58 which is a SM57 with the ball grill but I like the beta a bit better for it's presence peak.

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QUOTE (Darius Wave @ May 9 2014, 03:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Actually those mods are veeery low cost. I found most people take of the transformer but it adds more presence which is not what I'm looking for. Second mod cut's the natural boost of that mic so this is way closer to what I need. Yep - I will always have sm57 because it's a reference for others. I make a lot of demos. You'll find most of amps demos I made using ATM650. I still like it better smile.gif But...to avoid questions like "nice demo man but how it sounds with sm57?" I keep one wink.gif

SeeJay
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ May 9 2014, 10:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This is a GREAT point by DARIUS here. No matter what you record with, people wont believe the the results until they hear it with a 57 on it. It's just such a ubiquitous mic that it's almost as if "If you didn't record it with an SM57, it didn't happen".



Not to be mean, but this is a completely bogus statement.

You're telling me, that if I present something recorded with a $2k mic and a $1k preamp, someone is going to say "If you didn't record it with an SM57, it didn't happen" !?!?!?

People have too much time on their hands if they are going to watch a demo vid and get caught up on the details of how it was recorded. If it wasn't recorded with a SM57, you're not going to go to the store and check it out? If a piece of gear pops up for cheap on craigslist, you're not going to buy it because the demo you saw wasn't recorded with a SM57?

SM57 is popular because it's cheap, durable and it works. Not because it's the best mic.
Darius Wave
I tell You how I see this smile.gif

I know how my amp sounds on SM57 (including different position). I can sort of calculate the difference while listening to other demo.
I think many people see things this way. I have thic mic so I could get that sound too. Unfortunately most forget about the tone from the hands and guitar but that;s a different story.

I'm not gonna be "sm57 all the time guy" but currently just have a period of comparisons on different amps smile.gif I think next mic would be audix I5 because if it's very scooped response. I'm not saying it's something good but I wanna have different sounding mics and I think e606 i too close to sm57. If anyone have one of those personally I would not advice to buy the other smile.gif
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