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fkalich


Obviously a well known youtube site, he has over 2 million subscribers. A lot of interesting and intelligently presented videos. The one on AI is frightening.
Todd Simpson
I knew it. It's sad but I knew it had to be this. Our music system has become a mirror image of the Japanese system and only briefly broke the mold in spurts during the 60s/80s. But now it's just a couple of guys writing most everything, just as it's done in japan and has been since they started having a music industry. So yeah, it is all the same crap, and sounds like the same crap and most of it, is honestly pure crap. There are some good bits that leak through, but mostly it's just about mostly all crap. All the more reason to avoid popular music entirely.
QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 7 2018, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Obviously a well known youtube site, he has over 2 million subscribers. A lot of interesting and intelligently presented videos. The one on AI is frightening.
SpiritCrusher
A minority of people are slowly waking up to the fact that modern "music" is bulls*it. We as a pack animal are destined to follow what our peers follow. Therefore so many people are not even considering listening to something else. This guy pointed out some facts that I didn't even know about, however, I think he forgot to mention the big DJ scene where people pay money to see a guy press "play", and he gets to earn loads of money for something that takes no talent.
Rammikin
I think this screen capture tells you everything you need to know about the validity of this video smile.gif.
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Seriously, there is some good information here, but his point is undermined the incorrect assumption that pop music today can be compared to pop music from 50 years ago. The industry has changed so much that today there is no musical genre remotely like 1960's pop music today. Pop music used to dominate the industry, so you could make generalizations about the listening audience by analyzing pop music. But today, with the ability to listen to anything you want to on spotify (as opposed to years past when a radio station would tell you what to listen to) pop music has become marginalized. It just isn't that popular anymore smile.gif. Making observations about pop music doesn't tell you nearly as much about the total listening audience as it used to.
Todd Simpson
Good point. Being a "DJ" Now is just a huge scam IMHO. Hitting play on space bar and jumping up and down is not musiciansip. It's pure stage craft. IMHO these people are not musicians. Still some manage to make a living and more power to them. I'd personally feel dirty if I had to make a living that way.
RAMMIKIN brings up a very valid point. It's changed so much that it's hard to compare. Still, just doing a base comparison on what is now "pop" vs what was then "pop" we can draw a few correlations. Pop has declined to be sure. The guy in the vid is just pointing out how sad and awful that state of Pop music has become when whatever is left of it is done mostly by the same two guys.


QUOTE (SpiritCrusher @ Jun 8 2018, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A minority of people are slowly waking up to the fact that modern "music" is bulls*it. We as a pack animal are destined to follow what our peers follow. Therefore so many people are not even considering listening to something else. This guy pointed out some facts that I didn't even know about, however, I think he forgot to mention the big DJ scene where people pay money to see a guy press "play", and he gets to earn loads of money for something that takes no talent.
fkalich
QUOTE (Rammikin @ Jun 8 2018, 08:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Seriously, there is some good information here, but his point is undermined the incorrect assumption that pop music today can be compared to pop music from 50 years ago. The industry has changed so much that today there is no musical genre remotely like 1960's pop music today. Pop music used to dominate the industry, so you could make generalizations about the listening audience by analyzing pop music. But today, with the ability to listen to anything you want to on spotify (as opposed to years past when a radio station would tell you what to listen to) pop music has become marginalized. It just isn't that popular anymore smile.gif. Making observations about pop music doesn't tell you nearly as much about the total listening audience as it used to.


Do you really feel that way? In my experience for those under 30, especially under 20, the vast majority absolutely listen to pop crap. If you look on youtube hits, look at the ones that are in the hundreds of million hits, or even billions of hits. I know what my girlfriend's children listen to, and they are really intelligent top level students. She has tried to expose them to better quality music but to no avail. From what I have observed personally, this fellow's analysis makes sense, at least for the majority modern US audience. The major market has a very short attention span, they need the quick fix, i.e. "hook" or else they reject what they hear.

I am speaking now from a US perspective, things might be less extreme elsewhere.
klasaine
I agree with Rammikin. Pop music is not nearly as 'pop' - as in popular - as it used to be. Instagram, Snapchat and your phone dominate almost the entirety of pop culture and commercial society today.

Music in general dominated the culture of those under 35 in the 60s, 70s and 80s. You defined yourself and you were absolutely defined by who and what you listened too. Culturally, today, music is such a minor part of all that. There's no comparison. *There was also a huge raft of absolute shit pop music that most folks have completely forgotten about (for good reason - it was horrible).

Same old story. "Yesterday was better than today."
Please - you know how many times I've heard that in my life - ?
Gabriel Leopardi
The best thing of this thread is that Katy Perry's picture at youtube preview. laugh.gif cool.gif tongue.gif
fkalich
QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 11 2018, 09:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Music in general dominated the culture of those under 35 in the 60s, 70s and 80s. You defined yourself and you were absolutely defined by who and what you listened too. Culturally, today, music is such a minor part of all that. There's no comparison. *There was also a huge raft of absolute shit pop music that most folks have completely forgotten about (for good reason - it was horrible).

Same old story. "Yesterday was better than today."
Please - you know how many times I've heard that in my life - ?



I'm more thinking, "no, it is not that I am older, it really is total crap". Pop music from the past, at least pre disco, shares a similar perspective to me that Ronald Regan has in retrospect, "wasn't perfect, but compared to what we have today, does not look all that bad anymore".

klasaine
It's all relative my friend.

Maybe check out "The DeFranco Family" or Bobby Vee or Fabian or C.W. McCall, Terry Jacks, Tony Orlando, Leif Garrett, Lobo, Debby Boone ....

I can go on and on (and that's just the Late 60s and early 70s).
Todd Simpson
FIrstly, to each his own. Whom ever wants to think modern music is as good or better than that which came before, more power to ya smile.gif

Sadly What kids listen ito today is mostly just total crap. There was a time when kids listened to actual music, written and performed by actual musicians. That time has past. It's just ancient history in terms of popular music. Sure, pop music has shrunk as the market has fragmented, but what is left of it is just honestly trash. Plain and simple. Sure there are a few exceptions that make the rule, but we need those to make the rule, and they make the rule, not break the rule. But such is life. There is still good music, it's just gone way underground for the most part imho.
QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 9 2018, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Do you really feel that way? In my experience for those under 30, especially under 20, the vast majority absolutely listen to pop crap. If you look on youtube hits, look at the ones that are in the hundreds of million hits, or even billions of hits. I know what my girlfriend's children listen to, and they are really intelligent top level students. She has tried to expose them to better quality music but to no avail. From what I have observed personally, this fellow's analysis makes sense, at least for the majority modern US audience. The major market has a very short attention span, they need the quick fix, i.e. "hook" or else they reject what they hear.

I am speaking now from a US perspective, things might be less extreme elsewhere.


We certainly don't have anyone taking over for the Beatles. I was not born in that era. Nor was I old enough to appreciate Led Zeppelin when they were big. Only decades later did I even find this stuff. It's objectively better music imho. No two ways about it, compared to Kanye and the other drivel we have at the top of the charts today.
QUOTE (fkalich @ Jun 11 2018, 01:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm more thinking, "no, it is not that I am older, it really is total crap". Pop music from the past, at least pre disco, shares a similar perspective to me that Ronald Regan has in retrospect, "wasn't perfect, but compared to what we have today, does not look all that bad anymore".



It's a cliche. I know. It's always been a cliche. "The older stuff was better", even if we were to young to even experience it when it came out. It doens't take a rocket scientist to realize that much of it was just plain better. Sure there are a lot of factors then and now. But yes, just objectively, have to say.It was just Better.

Not to mention later in the 80s (The Birth of the BIG FOUR) who have dominated Metal mostly ever since, and been copied non stop. It wasn't an accident, or a fluke, those bands were amazing and we have been waiting for new ones to take the crown ever since. Sure, things have changed. The biz has changed. What's also changed is killer bands coming out and just blowing everyone away. Would love to see that happen at least a few more times smile.gif

QUOTE (SpiritCrusher @ Jun 8 2018, 07:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
A minority of people are slowly waking up to the fact that modern "music" is bulls*it. We as a pack animal are destined to follow what our peers follow. Therefore so many people are not even considering listening to something else. This guy pointed out some facts that I didn't even know about, however, I think he forgot to mention the big DJ scene where people pay money to see a guy press "play", and he gets to earn loads of money for something that takes no talent.
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