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Phil66
Hello folks,
I'm currently using a Sony camcorder, Reaper, Windows Movie Maker and a Focusrite Scarlett 18i8 2nd gen.

I have got pretty quick at syncing the sound file to the video in the simple, but ideal for me, Movie Maker but it would be lovely to be able to capture sound and video in some sort of software so I don't have to manually sync.

What do you suggest? What should I look for in a camera, I can't output directly to my computer with my current one so I have to transfer the file. What software can I use with a quick learning curve?

Thank you for your help.

Phil
Caelumamittendum
Both my camcorder and Dslr can function as webcams with some software and work arounds, but officially they can't. Of course that does not mean that yours can too. But it does make it a lot easier to record video, stream etc. This was from when I was trying to get into tgat

Phil66
Thanks Ben,

I'm currently not using a mic and don't mind changing my camera but I think I'm probably just being a bit lazy, it doesn't take more than a minute rolleyes.gif
Caelumamittendum
Hey Phil. Sorry for my short reply. I was on my phone waiting for someone to arrive and thought I could just manage to write a few words.

I use either OBS or StreamLabs OBS even for recording by the way smile.gif
PosterBoy
The quickest way but not best for quality is to capture everything through a webcams mic. I have stereo mics in my logitech and run my guitar through the computer so all sound comes out of the speakers.

It's not ideal but if you are looking for a quick way to get videos up for you mentor then it's better than not bothering because of the effort required.

Saying that I'm one to talk I've bailed on both Gab and Todd multiple times through lack of commitment and effort
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (PosterBoy @ Jan 21 2019, 07:21 PM) *
The quickest way but not best for quality is to capture everything through a webcams mic. I have stereo mics in my logitech and run my guitar through the computer so all sound comes out of the speakers.

It's not ideal but if you are looking for a quick way to get videos up for you mentor then it's better than not bothering because of the effort required.

Saying that I'm one to talk I've bailed on both Gab and Todd multiple times through lack of commitment and effort


There are video programs that let you capture "desktop sound" (I'm pretty sure Phil plays through the computer somehow, right? Not sure though...) as well as video at the same time. This will capture everything that is heard on the computer in real time and sync up meanwhile with the video. It's essentially how I did the video posted above. It's not as easy setting up of course, but much better for quality and essentially as easy as pushing "record" in the program.
Phil66
Thanks folks,

First step is a camera that will send direct to the PC, any ideas?

Cheers

Phil
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 21 2019, 09:28 PM) *
Thanks folks,

First step is a camera that will send direct to the PC, any ideas?

Cheers

Phil


Any new webcam could do, even my old C525 works alright for that, otherwise some DSLR cameras have that functionality and even regular digital cameras sometimes come with the feature. My handycam is a Sony HDR CX405, however as it does not have this feature I have to run it through a game capture card, such as the Elgato HD60 S.

Just to underline the flexibility of a 3 cam setup with OBS or StreamLabs OBS, this was recorded with 3 cameras all recording audio/video in real time to the computer, using Logitech Quickcam for the web cam, StreamLabs OBS for the Sony and I think it was SparkoCam for the DSLR, which essentially turns even an old DSLR such as mine (Canon 500D from 2009) into a "webcam" or realtime recording device. In Sony Vegas you load in the three videos, select a multi-cam editing option (I can't remember exactly now) and you literally just click on the ones you want to switch to. Obvious you don't want 3x the sound, so you mute two of them.



So if you want a cheap suggestion use a webcam, record with OBS for instance (it's free), you select your audio source which can be a microphone, desktop sound, line in etc. Hit record and your video and audio is recorded at the same time into the video.

Of course I would not use this method for really high quality professional use, but in terms of functionalities and ease of use, no syncing afterwards, I find it's hard to beat.
Todd Simpson
Ben has put up some great info! I hope it finds it's way to the wiki! As he said
1.)ANY web cam will allow you to record video and web cam audio directly to hard drive.

2.)The Logitech Utility that comes with their web cams will let you choose which audio and video source you want so you can use your web cam for video and the output from you HELIX for the audio!! That way you have perfectly synched audio and video recorded at once and ready to go smile.gif

Here is a link to download the logitech software for PC.https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/capture


Hope this helps!!!
Todd

QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 21 2019, 04:28 PM) *
Thanks folks,

First step is a camera that will send direct to the PC, any ideas?

Cheers

Phil
Phil66
Thanks Todd and Ben,

I was about to order THIS but when I instaled the Logitech software I noticed that I can only select the onboard mic, the Focusrite or the Helix as my sound source, what about if I want to record my DAW too if I'm playing along to a backing, like in a collab for instance?

Cheers

Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 23 2019, 08:39 PM) *
Thanks Todd and Ben,

I was about to order THIS but when I instaled the Logitech software I noticed that I can only select the onboard mic, the Focusrite or the Helix as my sound source, what about if I want to record my DAW too if I'm playing along to a backing, like in a collab for instance?

Cheers


What I do is run a headphones output (I would guess it could be any other output on your audiocard, but Todd will be able to answer that) into a line-in on the computer (which is the built in audiocard essentially). For me it's called something along the lines of "Realtek High Definition Line in". When this is selected as the one to record it should work. However, better hold on till Todd arrives of course. He's likely better at explaining it than I am.

Another option: In OBS (the software I mentioned in my other post) I am able to select "desktop sound" as audio source to record. I don't think this is possible in Logitech actually, but it has been a while since I have had any of the programs opened and really checked out functionalities. From what I recall choosing "desktop sound" as audio source captures Reaper for instances and anything I have running through that, while also recording a backing on YouTube.

I have changed my recording process a bit though, given that I live by own with no neighbors, I can be a bit louder at all times of day, meaning I have mic'ed up my amp, and I run that amp to the audio card, simultaneously as having "desktop audio" as a source. Essentially it leaves me a lot of different options with a few clicks:

- I can play on my amp with or without the computer
- I can play drums with the headphones via the headphones output (and turn down the other volume knobs on the Scarlett) using Superior Drummer 3
- I can play piano/keyboard as soon as computer is on
- I can record vocals as soon as computer is on
- I can record vid/audio in realtime to the computer without having to sync things up, including recording backing track or anything else
- I can record to Reaper only
- I can record audio and video seperate and not synced
- I can stream live with ALL instruments available at all times (guitar, keys, mic and drums)
- I even have a computer monitor at the wall of my drum set which is connected to a laptop around there. This laptops speaker output goes to my Scarlett, so the drumless backing tracks I choose on the laptop i.e. for practice comes out of my headphones along with the sound from Superior Drummer 3
- I could even plug my guitar to an input on the Scarlett and use BIAS Fx if I wanted to, however that input is currently taken by the mic'ed up amp

I might have forgotten a few things there, but all this is readily available for me with a few clicks at most. As said, it can be a bit tricky setting up both cable wise and a bit confusing software wise, but eventually it is all very simple to work with with no changing of cables etc. Sure, volume needs be adjusted from the sources depending on how loud the various instruments or backing tracks are at a given time, but that would likely be the case for most situations.

The only downside is that my amp head is not suitable for going directly to the audio card or have a headphones output, which means that whenever I use my amp it comes out the cab, so there's no amp+headphones practice available. Essentially that is great for me, as no one else can hear me anyway, but I could see situations where that could be less than ideal.
Todd Simpson
You nailed it!!! The "headphone out" trick is the same thing that I use. It allows daw ouput to feed in to an input of another interface, like the focus rite. When I'd use this technique, I'd say use your daw output fed through the headphone output of your computer to one of the inputs (or both if you wanna get saucey and use stereo, but of course that means going 1/8th inch male stereo plug to dual quarter inch male, to feed the inputs of the focusright. Then set the logitech software to take the focusrite as the audio source and web cam or what not as video source. This yields a single video file with synchronized audio.

As I'm using a firewire cam, I am currently running "dual system" meaning I'm synching audio/video manually. The only way to do it with synch for me is to use the quicktime utility and that won't let me capture HD video, I have to use below HD resolution.

Todd

uote name='Caelumamittendum' post='765554' date='Jan 23 2019, 05:06 PM']What I do is run a headphones output (I would guess it could be any other output on your audiocard, but Todd will be able to answer that) into a line-in on the computer (which is the built in audiocard essentially). For me it's called something along the lines of "Realtek High Definition Line in". When this is selected as the one to record it should work. However, better hold on till Todd arrives of course. He's likely better at explaining it than I am.
Another option: In OBS (the software I mentioned in my other post) I am able to select "desktop sound" as audio source to record. I don't think this is possible in Logitech actually, but it has been a while since I have had any of the programs opened and really checked out functionalities. From what I recall choosing "desktop sound" as audio source captures Reaper for instances and anything I have running through that, while also recording a backing on YouTube.

I have changed my recording process a bit though, given that I live by own with no neighbors, I can be a bit louder at all times of day, meaning I have mic'ed up my amp, and I run that amp to the audio card, simultaneously as having "desktop audio" as a source. Essentially it leaves me a lot of different options with a few clicks:

- I can play on my amp with or without the computer
- I can play drums with the headphones via the headphones output (and turn down the other volume knobs on the Scarlett) using Superior Drummer 3
- I can play piano/keyboard as soon as computer is on
- I can record vocals as soon as computer is on
- I can record vid/audio in realtime to the computer without having to sync things up, including recording backing track or anything else
- I can record to Reaper only
- I can record audio and video seperate and not synced
- I can stream live with ALL instruments available at all times (guitar, keys, mic and drums)
- I even have a computer monitor at the wall of my drum set which is connected to a laptop around there. This laptops speaker output goes to my Scarlett, so the drumless backing tracks I choose on the laptop i.e. for practice comes out of my headphones along with the sound from Superior Drummer 3
- I could even plug my guitar to an input on the Scarlett and use BIAS Fx if I wanted to, however that input is currently taken by the mic'ed up amp

I might have forgotten a few things there, but all this is readily available for me with a few clicks at most. As said, it can be a bit tricky setting up both cable wise and a bit confusing software wise, but eventually it is all very simple to work with with no changing of cables etc. Sure, volume needs be adjusted from the sources depending on how loud the various instruments or backing tracks are at a given time, but that would likely be the case for most situations.

The only downside is that my amp head is not suitable for going directly to the audio card or have a headphones output, which means that whenever I use my amp it comes out the cab, so there's no amp+headphones practice available. Essentially that is great for me, as no one else can hear me anyway, but I could see situations where that could be less than ideal.[/quote]
Phil66
Thanks folks,

I need to get my head around it all wacko.gif , what do you think about that web cam?

Cheers

Phil

Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 24 2019, 10:22 AM) *
Thanks folks,

I need to get my head around it all wacko.gif , what do you think about that web cam?

Cheers

Phil


The webcam in itself is supposed to be great from what I hear smile.gif Of course it's not an expensive handy cam with webcam function or DSLR with video function, but if you check some videos on YouTube, I think it provides great quality for the money. It is on my list of upgrades as well, as my old C525 is not all that great these days, coming up to be 8 years old and not a high quality one of it's day either, but it works still and with good lights it does the job for me still. C922 should be a lot better smile.gif
Phil66
I didn't realise you can get handy cams with web cam feature. But I bet the software wouldn't be as easy to use as the Logitech software would it?

Cheers
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 24 2019, 01:02 PM) *
I didn't realise you can get handy cams with web cam feature. But I bet the software wouldn't be as easy to use as the Logitech software would it?

Cheers


https://www.sony-asia.com/electronics/suppo...ticles/00129676

I haven't used any Sony software with my Sony handycam, so I can't really tell. But it has no real native webcam functionality either, so I run it through my Elgato HD60 S capture card and into the computer smile.gif
Phil66
I really don't know what to do, struggling to find a camcorder with webcam function and aren't sure about video recording quality on webcams, hard to tell on youtube.

Cheers

Phil
Caelumamittendum
From what I understand the C920 is the old model of the C922 and might have more vids, but I'm not sure about that. It's off the top of my head.



And here's the C922:

Todd Simpson
Sadly most "camcorders" these days are mostly just camcorders. Firewire has fallen out of favor ever since Apple decided to stop using firewire ports. of course, you could always get a firewire card, if you don't already have firewire ports, and just get an older firewire camera, which is what I'm using. It's a full HD web cam the canon HV30, goes about $100, does full HD. Was $1,200 new. You can capture audio and video together. You can pick the output of your focus rite (I think) to get your daw output. But I'm on a mac so I can't test that.

if you want to buy new, your looking at a Web cam or a DSLR. Very few DSLR cameras support live video over USB to your computer. The ones that do support it are NOT cheap. Probably way outside the budget. So your down to web cam. The best web cam you can get won't look as good as the old HD camcorder im using simply because web cams skimp on glass (lense) to save money. That said, the quality is still more than adequate and you can use a logitech cam with that logitech software and pick your audio source. The trick is to find if you can select your audio out to capture the full output of your daw without needing to do the headphone out trick. There is this handy little app which creates a virtual audio device. https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ You can select it in your logitech capture utility and get full daw feed with your backing and your playing.


THE BOTTOM LINE

So the easiest/cheapest way is to get that web cam you were looking at, about $100(this is the top of the line logitech cam https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/c922-pro-stream-webcam?crid=34 )://https://www.logitech.com/en-us/prod...ebcam?crid=34 )://https://www.logitech.com/en-us/prod...ebcam?crid=34 ), install that virtual audio app that I linked, https://www.vb-audio.com/Cable/ and capture using the logitech utility by settin video to the web cam and audio to the virtual audio device. smile.gif Sorted!


Todd




QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 24 2019, 04:00 PM) *
I really don't know what to do, struggling to find a camcorder with webcam function and aren't sure about video recording quality on webcams, hard to tell on youtube.

Cheers

Phil
Caelumamittendum
As said earlier I am not even sure virtual cable is needed with OBS. And that is free too. I certainly have never had to use virtual cable in that, but it's been a while. I am pretty sure I have been able to select desktop sound as my audio source, which will basically be anything you hear yourself. Or rather that your computer hears.
Phil66
Thanks Ben and Todd,

I think for me, I'm going to go for the C920, maybe upgrade when the successor to the C922 comes out. It doesn't seem worth the extra for me and the C920 has a wider viewing angle which is better for me having the camera pretty close wink.gif

https://youtu.be/FkweZa8EvQ4


Todd Simpson
Good call wink.gif If you use that bit of software I linked, you can get synched audio/video with output from your daw all done in software.

Todd
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 25 2019, 03:59 PM) *
Thanks Ben and Todd,

I think for me, I'm going to go for the C920, maybe upgrade when the successor to the C922 comes out. It doesn't seem worth the extra for me and the C920 has a wider viewing angle which is better for me having the camera pretty close wink.gif

https://youtu.be/FkweZa8EvQ4
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 26 2019, 06:05 AM) *
Good call wink.gif If you use that bit of software I linked, you can get synched audio/video with output from your daw all done in software.

Todd


As said, I think you should be able to without the need for virtual cabling smile.gif I've never had any virtual cabling installed. In OBS (free) I can just choose "desktop sound" as audio source. Worth a try with both of course if free, see what's easiest to work with smile.gif
Phil66
Thank you, the webcam is ordered wink.gif
Todd Simpson
I've not tried OBS, will it let you take the output of a your daw and record audio/video to a media file? If so, that's handy!!!
Todd
QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 26 2019, 01:44 AM) *
As said, I think you should be able to without the need for virtual cabling smile.gif I've never had any virtual cabling installed. In OBS (free) I can just choose "desktop sound" as audio source. Worth a try with both of course if free, see what's easiest to work with smile.gif
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jan 26 2019, 12:05 PM) *
I've not tried OBS, will it let you take the output of a your daw and record audio/video to a media file? If so, that's handy!!!
Todd


Actually, you know what, I might have spoken out of bad memory there. I'm just checking it now and can't seem to get it working, but I am sure I have it working before. However, essentially a £5 cable from headphones out to line in will do and might be easier than virtual cables smile.gif

Gonna have a look at OBS again to see. I haven't really used that "desktop sound" function much, and I had even muted it in my setup, as I have things that would sound twice if I had that on, and I am sure that was why I muted it.

I would recommend the headphones out to line in anyway, if you have that option. Basically going from headphones out on the Focusrite to the line in on your computer's onboard soundcard. That should do the trick.
PosterBoy
From my experience virtual cable is a pain in the ass and I've never got it to do what i want , which is similar to you, except I wanted to run it into Skype
Todd Simpson
Easier than virtual cable? I don't know about that. It's using the headphone patch thing that made synching vid seem easier for phil which is why I suggested the software solution. It's one little bit of software that saves having to run patches here to there and further routing. For folks not used to doing that stuff, it's a pain and semi daunting. But we are just here to provide some suggestions. Phil will have to try bits out and see what works.
I used the headphone out trick myself, but then again I"m comfy with with using multiple sound devices and some signal/cable routing. Some folks find that stuff a pain. The good news is, software apps can prevent needing to do all of that. smile.gif In the end, it's going to take some experimenting either way.

Sounds like poster boy could never get virtual cable to work. I found it quite simple? You just select it as the audio source. I used a similar mac program called soundflower. But again, it's all down to what folks are comfy with. Who knows, after trying both, phil may like one or the other.

PHIL: Let us know how it works out smile.gif

Todd
QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 26 2019, 08:16 AM) *
Actually, you know what, I might have spoken out of bad memory there. I'm just checking it now and can't seem to get it working, but I am sure I have it working before. However, essentially a £5 cable from headphones out to line in will do and might be easier than virtual cables smile.gif

Gonna have a look at OBS again to see. I haven't really used that "desktop sound" function much, and I had even muted it in my setup, as I have things that would sound twice if I had that on, and I am sure that was why I muted it.

I would recommend the headphones out to line in anyway, if you have that option. Basically going from headphones out on the Focusrite to the line in on your computer's onboard soundcard. That should do the trick.
Caelumamittendum
I just don't see that much routing done with a headphones out to line in. It's one cable and selecting that line-in as audio source. I have not looked at virtual cabling in a while, I will give you that, but last time I had to set up quite a few things to get it working - i.e. connecting what went in where virtually and do virtual routing.



Just seems simpler to me to do with a cable and a click for me smile.gif
Todd Simpson
I"m with ya smile.gif LIke I said, I used the same technique myself. However, phil mentioned that it sounded like more trouble than it was worth and just synching the clips manually would probably be easier. After all, it does involve just a bit of routing and setting the right inputs. He's already using two audio devices (helix and focusrite) and this would be adding a third. Thus, why I suggested the software solution which would require no further audio devices and no extra cables. It's just a drop down menu to select virtual cable as the audio source. That's it. No routing, no cables, just one menu setting. I don't know what you experienced, but I never had to do any routing with software and it was very simple. But that's just me. again, it comes down to the user. We are just offering ideas.


BTW that video shows the guy using VOICE METER as well as virtual cable. The voice meter app is NOT needed if you just want to use virtual audio cable. In fact, I'd suggest avoiding it as it's way more complicated than virtual cable. Virtual cable works behind the scenes. You just select it as your audio capture source.That's it. Nothing more. Voice meter is for doing other things.


QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 26 2019, 05:24 PM) *
I just don't see that much routing done with a headphones out to line in. It's one cable and selecting that line-in as audio source. I have not looked at virtual cabling in a while, I will give you that, but last time I had to set up quite a few things to get it working - i.e. connecting what went in where virtually and do virtual routing.
Caelumamittendum
I just tried installing it, enabled it, went to open Reaper and OBS (which has a meter that shows the volume at the virtual cable (VBA)), selected the virtual cable as audio source , but there is no sound coming through when playing anything in Reaper, from YouTube or anywhere else. It also does not respond no matter if selected or not selected as primary audio capture device in control panel sound settings. If I select it as primary output device instead of my normal speakers, I can see that there is sound coming through virtual cable app, but I have nowhere to hear it from.

I have tried Logitech too but with no luck.

It could very well be me not understanding it, but it does not seem to work that easily for me.

This is a question from a user and answer from the guy from the video. Does not seem THAT simple to me:

Question:
"So now that I have Discord outputting to a virtual cable, how do I get the audio to feed into my headphones? Obviously changing my default device to that virtual audio cable is not the answer because I wanted to separate the audio from discord from the audio of my games in the first place."

Reply:
"Have Discord output to the VAC input. Have game audio sent to VAIO Input. On one of the physical input channels, select Cable Output (name depends on how many cables you have installed). Then have your headphones selected to one of the physical outputs (A1-A3). Let's say you did it to A1. You'd then select A1 on your input channels if you wanted to listen to it or leave it unselected if you don't want to hear it."

Question 2:
"I'm confused as to how to do this. How can I point the audio from discord to my headphones and still hear my game audio on my headphones? Is there a program I need to use to bring everything together?"
Todd Simpson
vc has to be set up in the control panel of vc. Once it's set, it's just a matter of selecting it. But the setup does have to be done first. I think this is why it's causing folks so much grief. There are wads of vids about setting it up, but it may be more work than it's worth if it's not straight forward. I was trying to offer an alternative to the cable method which phil indicated was more pain than synching. It sounds like the software solution may be more pain than synching as well. At which point we are back to synching manually. sad.gif

Here is a vid about setting it up. It's not exactly user friendly, as one has to set up two vcs in order to record and monitor.

On the back and forth quotes, the guy answers the question and then the first guy asks the exact same question again. He evidently didn't understand the answer which I must say didn't make much sense to me either. The VC control panel lets you set up multiple virtual cables. Once they are set up, in the logitech utility, one just selects the one that goes from daw out to vc cable in. A different one has to be selected to get audio to headphones for monitoring. I do see what you mean though about this being complicated. It's the setup that really makes it a pain in the neck.


QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 26 2019, 05:52 PM) *
I just tried installing it, enabled it, went to open Reaper and OBS (which has a meter that shows the volume at the virtual cable (VBA)), selected the virtual cable as audio source , but there is no sound coming through when playing anything in Reaper, from YouTube or anywhere else. It also does not respond no matter if selected or not selected as primary audio capture device in control panel sound settings. If I select it as primary output device instead of my normal speakers, I can see that there is sound coming through virtual cable app, but I have nowhere to hear it from.

I have tried Logitech too but with no luck.

It could very well be me not understanding it, but it does not seem to work that easily for me.

This is a question from a user and answer from the guy from the video. Does not seem THAT simple to me:

Question:
"So now that I have Discord outputting to a virtual cable, how do I get the audio to feed into my headphones? Obviously changing my default device to that virtual audio cable is not the answer because I wanted to separate the audio from discord from the audio of my games in the first place."

Reply:
"Have Discord output to the VAC input. Have game audio sent to VAIO Input. On one of the physical input channels, select Cable Output (name depends on how many cables you have installed). Then have your headphones selected to one of the physical outputs (A1-A3). Let's say you did it to A1. You'd then select A1 on your input channels if you wanted to listen to it or leave it unselected if you don't want to hear it."

Question 2:
"I'm confused as to how to do this. How can I point the audio from discord to my headphones and still hear my game audio on my headphones? Is there a program I need to use to bring everything together?"
Caelumamittendum
Yep. The setup seems a bit complicated. I am sure it works very well when fully set up. My real cable set up enabling me to do the things I mentioned in page 1 was tricky to set up too, perhaps even more that app. But I have a different need than Phil at the moment given the desire to have drums, guitar, keyboard and vocals available with a few clicks, as well as the guitar being connected to a mic'ed amp smile.gif
Todd Simpson
I used the same headphone out trick when I was doing live lessons to allow backing tracks to be fed in to my sound card along with the mic for my vocal input as well as the guitar being processed in Th2. So all that was going in to a mixer then out the headphone jack in to the line in on my laptop. It was the most simple way I could find.

Once Phil experiments a bit, he may go that route as well. It is looking like the virtual cable thing is way more complicated that I initially thought so it's not going to be a simple thing to setup.

QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 26 2019, 06:45 PM) *
Yep. The setup seems a bit complicated. I am sure it works very well when fully set up. My real cable set up enabling me to do the things I mentioned in page 1 was tricky to set up too, perhaps even more that app. But I have a different need than Phil at the moment given the desire to have drums, guitar, keyboard and vocals available with a few clicks, as well as the guitar being connected to a mic'ed amp smile.gif
Phil66
The camera will be here tomorrow, don't know when I'll get chance to set it up though, a bit at a time I guess.

What would be ideal is a camera that I could put one of the Helix outputs in and feed the backing track into the Helix too. blink.gif wacko.gif
Phil66
Not too bad with the guitar only, will be great for Quick Licks

https://youtu.be/iRlLMufkiP8
Caelumamittendum
Phil! Is that a song from someone, from you or just random playing? That was VERY good! If it's just something random...GO MAKE IT A SONG! I would listen to it A LOT!
Phil66
Thanks Ben, It's just some random playing in Em pentatonic buddy.

Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 28 2019, 09:14 PM) *
Thanks Ben, It's just some random playing in Em pentatonic buddy.


Yes, but it was awesome and shows you are VERY capable of creating nice melodies that could even be made into a song smile.gif I know it feels intimidating, but I'm absolutely serious and mean it smile.gif
Phil66
Wow, thank you for that buddy.

It's basically what I was doing in this improv

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/em-jam-ii

And here is the master that inspired that bit of improv:

https://youtu.be/oydj5H9C-no
Caelumamittendum
I definitely hear a lot of confidence in a lot of that playing, which is absolutely great to hear! It's something I have lacked too and have tried working on, and I have sometimes felt I sensed that lack of confidence from you in your playing too. Not there though! I think it was Marty Friedman that once said: "play like you mean it!" and something about even wrong notes might sound okay then. Of course it's a bit of a stretch on the wrong notes maybe, but they will likely sound more intentional that way than if you play them with less confidence.

I have been listening to that jam while writing this and it is absolutely awesome! Your playing sounds so great here! Amazing! You have come a very long way and have improved a lot!

I'm not gonna press "add reply" till I have finished listening, so now I am sitting here enjoying the last minute of the jam!

Finished now! Wow!
Phil66
Thanks Ben, I appreciate your kind words, I actually blushed, did you listen to the master?

Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 28 2019, 10:55 PM) *
Thanks Ben, I appreciate your kind words, I actually blushed, did you listen to the master?


But I already listened to the master? Why would I listen to Vaughan? cool.gif
Todd Simpson
Works great! Should be perfect for quick licks. Is that the web cam mic? I remember you saying that you didn't want to use the web cam mic as you were a perfectionist and such, but I'm glad you are having a change of heart. It's a very easy way to get to a synched vid.
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 28 2019, 03:52 PM) *
Not too bad with the guitar only, will be great for Quick Licks

https://youtu.be/iRlLMufkiP8
Phil66
No Todd, that's not the camera mic, it's the guitar via Helix into the Scarlett.

Bummer, I found out my laptop has no mic input sad.gif May have to use desktop.
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 29 2019, 08:09 AM) *
No Todd, that's not the camera mic, it's the guitar via Helix into the Scarlett.

Bummer, I found out my laptop has no mic input sad.gif May have to use desktop.


Yeah, my laptop doesn't either. I have not tried it, but you can get small USB dongles that create an input/output. I can't say how they work as I haven't tried though:

https://sandberg.it/en-gb/product/USB-to-Sound-Link
Phil66
Virtual cable is confusing me immensely and OBS desktop sound only plays windows system sounds and YouTube sounds, not my daw.

Starting to wish I hadn't bothered sad.gif

I mean, what am I supposed to do with this??
Caelumamittendum
Did you see my post on the USB dongle with input/output? I don't know if it works or how well, but it's not too expensive. I think it might work, but I haven't tried it. And then the cable from your headphones out on the Focusrite to the line in of that USB dongle.

My laptop doesn't have line in either, from what I can tell. Though I am thinking it might need to be a splitter/connector cable, such as the cables you use for headphones, which includes both headphones and microphone in the same output cable. I wonder if there is a way for that to work in your setup. I will try and look into it if I remember, to see if I can help, but I am a little stressed out these days.

And yeah, I struggled with virtual cable too.
Phil66
Don't get stressed about this buddy, I know you are trying to help, I can get on with it, I just hate losing practise time with things like this, you end up going round and round in circles, then one day you get it sorted but you just don't know how you got there so haven't really learned anything, pressing and guessing that's me rolleyes.gif

Here's my little setup

Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Jan 29 2019, 09:56 PM) *
Don't get stressed about this buddy, I know you are trying to help, I can get on with it, I just hate losing practise time with things like this, you end up going round and round in circles, then one day you get it sorted but you just don't know how you got there so haven't really learned anything, pressing and guessing that's me rolleyes.gif


Hah! As I have talked about elsewhere (if you have time, there's some info in the "goals"-thread) on here, in a few different topics, I have the time, but it's still difficult for different reasons. I have barely touched or picked up the guitar for a couple of months. Since late November I would estimate a total playing time of about 10-20 minutes...and essentially I only have myself to blame, though there are other things stressing me of course and that having an effect on me mad.gif
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