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Gabriel Leopardi
Hello friends!! Welcome to our new Collaboration!!

This time, our big friend and talented GMCer Caelumamittendum has composed a full track for us! And I have to see that the tune is FANTASTIC.

This is the full track version: Click to view attachment

And here you have 3 shorter parts to record your solos:

Part A: Click to view attachment

Part B: Click to view attachment

Part C: Click to view attachment


Chord progressions & Tempo:

A:
74 bpm

Em | Em | G | Am | C | C | Em | D | x2

B:
74 bpm

E5 % % % | C5 B5 % % | A5 % % % | G5 B5 % % |
E5 % % % | C B5 % % | A5 % % % | G5 B5 % B |

C:
111pbm

E5 | C5 | B5 | A5 E5 || x4


Suggested scales: E Pentatonic Minor, E aeolian.


Feel free to record over any of these parts or over the full track, everything you want to play! The more material we have the more elements I have to work on the final mix.


DEADLINE: April 14th (20 days)


If you are new to collabs please check out this: LINK


WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THIS ONE?
Adam M
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 25 2019, 10:53 PM) *
Hello friends!! Welcome to our new Collaboration!!

This time, our big friend and talented GMCer Caelumamittendum has composed a full track for us! And I have to see that the tune is FANTASTIC.

This is the full track version: Click to view attachment

And here you have 3 shorter parts to record your solos:

Part A: Click to view attachment

Part B: Click to view attachment

Part C: Click to view attachment


Chord progressions & Tempo:

A:
74 bpm

Em | Em | G | Am | C | C | Em | D | x2

B:
74 bpm

E5 % % % | C5 B5 % % | A5 % % % | G5 B5 % % |
E5 % % % | C B5 % % | A5 % % % | G5 B5 % B |

C:
111pbm

E5 | C5 | B5 | A5 E5 || x4


Suggested scales: E Pentatonic Minor, E aeolian.


Feel free to record over any of these parts or over the full track, everything you want to play! The more material we have the more elements I have to work on the final mix.


DEADLINE: April 14th (20 days)


If you are new to collabs please check out this: LINK


WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THIS ONE?


This is great! I'll definitely give it a try! I'm trying to think of some nice lyrics fitting the theme. I'll keep you updated on my progress in the Mentoring Thread. But to be honest, this track would also make a great standalone lesson! wink.gif
Caelumamittendum
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GeneT95
Been a while. Messing around some ideas with a free version of Bias 2.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met1b/s-5hoWo
GeneT95
You know its been a long time when your DAW resets the timing, warps the background clip, and you don't even notice and record n warped time.

huh.gif

Yeah, that's what I get. Guitars feeling neglected and making me pay for it.

Anyway, I fiddled around with the DAW just for practice to see what would happen if I 're-warped' the clip timing back from 149bpm to 75bpm and then correctly set the Daw's timing from 125 to 75. It shifted things around in my clip a little and I had extra, but I just snipped the end off for fun to see what would happen. Ableton was set for 125bpm and the background clip was warped to 149. Some musical math intervened and the background clip was 'slowed' down.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met2a
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Adam M @ Mar 26 2019, 12:42 AM) *
This is great! I'll definitely give it a try! I'm trying to think of some nice lyrics fitting the theme. I'll keep you updated on my progress in the Mentoring Thread. But to be honest, this track would also make a great standalone lesson! wink.gif


Here's some inspiration (feel free to rip off or completely ignore):

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/inthestyleofmetallica
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Adam M @ Mar 25 2019, 08:42 PM) *
This is great! I'll definitely give it a try! I'm trying to think of some nice lyrics fitting the theme. I'll keep you updated on my progress in the Mentoring Thread. But to be honest, this track would also make a great standalone lesson! wink.gif



Yeah!! I think that Cael could prepare a tutorial showing how to play this amazing track. Looking forward your take over this one! Let me know if you need help or feedback. wink.gif



QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Mar 26 2019, 01:19 AM) *
Been a while. Messing around some ideas with a free version of Bias 2.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met1b/s-5hoWo



I like the effect that you are using here, it reminds me to Mars Volta. Is it an influence for you?


QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 26 2019, 04:50 PM) *
Here's some inspiration (feel free to rip off or completely ignore):

https://soundcloud.com/benjamin-storm-linnebjerg/inthestyleofmetallica



You ROCK Cael. smile.gif
GeneT95
Mars is cool. But I wasn't really thinking about them specifically. I was just messing in the DAW trying different stuff with a mostly dry slight reverb distortion track.

I doubled the track. Applied slight, mostly dry, delay to one and panned it harder to one side. The second one I made the delay really wet and it was mostly centered. Then I nudged it slightly outa synch with the first track although I nudged it all over the place just for fun to see what would happen.

Because everything was having the timing warped, depending on how far out I pushed it, odd warbles popped up here and there.
Gabriel Leopardi
Could you solve that timing issue? Maybe you can convert wav files to avoid any tempo issue...
GeneT95
Yeah, I fixed it. I just forgot to set the piece BPM first before I started. It defaults to 125. Then for some reason missed the Clip getting warped. I had just forgot how Ableton sets up.

Here's one that I did messing around with a completely clean guitar take and trying to use Ableton to destructively edit it.

Just messing around with stuff.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met3a
Gabriel Leopardi
Nice Gene! I like these experimental takes. I wonder what Cael thinks about it.
Gabriel Leopardi
Any news here? biggrin.gif
Caelumamittendum
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 28 2019, 06:55 PM) *
Any news here? biggrin.gif


I hope to see more takes. I will try and make a demonstration of a solo tomorrow smile.gif
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Mar 29 2019, 05:34 PM) *
I hope to see more takes. I will try and make a demonstration of a solo tomorrow smile.gif



Great!! smile.gif
Adam M
I won't be able to record anything before Sunday but I'm gathering some ideas. Tonight I'll try writing the lyrics too. I'm leaning towards Load/Reload era because they are great but also I can't do any screamers biggrin.gif
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Adam M @ Mar 29 2019, 06:08 PM) *
I won't be able to record anything before Sunday but I'm gathering some ideas. Tonight I'll try writing the lyrics too. I'm leaning towards Load/Reload era because they are great but also I can't do any screamers biggrin.gif



Excellent!! Thanks Adam!!
Todd Simpson
Im back in the saddle so count me in!
Todd
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Mar 25 2019, 05:53 PM) *
Hello friends!! Welcome to our new Collaboration!!

This time, our big friend and talented GMCer Caelumamittendum has composed a full track for us! And I have to see that the tune is FANTASTIC.

This is the full track version: Click to view attachment

And here you have 3 shorter parts to record your solos:

Part A: Click to view attachment

Part B: Click to view attachment

Part C: Click to view attachment


Chord progressions & Tempo:

A:
74 bpm

Em | Em | G | Am | C | C | Em | D | x2

B:
74 bpm

E5 % % % | C5 B5 % % | A5 % % % | G5 B5 % % |
E5 % % % | C B5 % % | A5 % % % | G5 B5 % B |

C:
111pbm

E5 | C5 | B5 | A5 E5 || x4


Suggested scales: E Pentatonic Minor, E aeolian.


Feel free to record over any of these parts or over the full track, everything you want to play! The more material we have the more elements I have to work on the final mix.


DEADLINE: April 14th (20 days)


If you are new to collabs please check out this: LINK


WHO WOULD LIKE TO BE PART OF THIS ONE?
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Mar 29 2019, 10:19 PM) *
Im back in the saddle so count me in!
Todd



Awesome!! Welcome Todd!!
Phil66
Would something like this be okay Gab? I'm just using Em pentatonic, not following the chords, that's something I'm just learning wink.gif

There's a terrible bend halfway through part one, I'd been playing a hard tail and switched to a floyd, my fingers weren't ready for the extra movement and my ears heard it when it was too late laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-1-rough-take-1

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-2-rough-take-1
GeneT95
Ah, Phil. Good to hear you. I've been out a while and you've improved. Good work brother.
Phil66
Thank you Gene, it is really inspiring when someone notices improvements, I still think I'm as crap as I was four years ago, I guess we don't see our own improvements.
GeneT95
Usually we don't. Go back and listen to something you posted 4 years ago and then listen to your second take.

You'll hear it. I promise.
Phil66
Thanks buddy, it means a lot wink.gif
Caelumamittendum
That was awesome, Phil! Niiiiice! I like it a lot!
Phil66
Thanks Ben,glad you like it, I wasn't sure and now I hope the real take I do can capture the same feel, sometimes the first takes is the best.
Cheers
Todd Simpson
Nice! Sounds like the neck pickup? Works well for this and the tone is good as well. I can quite a bit of improvement from your takes a few years ago. Find one of your collab takes from when you started doing them here at GMC I think you'll hear it too smile.gif Your vibrato is much more refined and your note choice is much more deliberate.

Todd
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 30 2019, 04:25 PM) *
Would something like this be okay Gab? I'm just using Em pentatonic, not following the chords, that's something I'm just learning wink.gif

There's a terrible bend halfway through part one, I'd been playing a hard tail and switched to a floyd, my fingers weren't ready for the extra movement and my ears heard it when it was too late laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-1-rough-take-1

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-2-rough-take-1
Phil66
Thanks Todd. It's my Ibby RG1570 neck pickup in part 1 and bridge in part 2 with the treble rolled off halfway wink.gif
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 30 2019, 05:25 PM) *
Would something like this be okay Gab? I'm just using Em pentatonic, not following the chords, that's something I'm just learning wink.gif

There's a terrible bend halfway through part one, I'd been playing a hard tail and switched to a floyd, my fingers weren't ready for the extra movement and my ears heard it when it was too late laugh.gif

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-1-rough-take-1

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-2-rough-take-1


Hi Phil!! Thanks for your takes mate!! Except by that bend/note at 00:32 (first take), everything sounds good! I like the phrases and note choices.

The second solo is cool, but it would be interesting to hear a new take in a few days after practicing it, and trying to make it sound groovier and more dynamic.

What do you think?
Phil66
Thanks Gab,

Yes, that bend is embarrassing ohmy.gif blink.gif laugh.gif I didn't have time to do another take though and as it was experimental I posted the take for feedback.

I'll definitely give them both some practise, how do I make #2 sound "groovier"?

thanks

Phil


GeneT95
Practicing a bit on Section 1. Less notes. More space. On to section two.

Playing without a pick cause I was lazy and couldn't find one close by, so the attack is thicker. Bias 2 Amp free trial vst.

Slightly Different mix

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met4b

Original Mix. I took out some reverb and dropped the track volume.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met4a
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Mar 31 2019, 02:58 PM) *
I'll definitely give them both some practise, how do I make #2 sound "groovier"?


Phil



Practising it more, to make the rhythm more natural and more connected with the backing track groove. Close your eyes, follow the groove with your body and play the solo. Keep on moving your right hand up and down even when you are not playing. Find which are the notes that sound better accentuated, use different dynamics.



QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Apr 1 2019, 02:55 PM) *
Practicing a bit on Section 1. Less notes. More space. On to section two.

Playing without a pick cause I was lazy and couldn't find one close by, so the attack is thicker. Bias 2 Amp free trial vst.

Slightly Different mix

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met4b

Original Mix. I took out some reverb and dropped the track volume.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met4a



Hi Gene! Nice job here! I think that both mixes can work for this one. You can share with me both processed versions so I can try them in the mix and decide which one fits better with the other takes that we receive.

Your playing is good here, I like the tone that you get with your fingers. Well done mate!!
GeneT95
I decided on a different take. But can provide the files for the other ones if you think they fit better. I went simpler for the section.

Here is the audio. I'll get the video up before the deadline. (Just have to figure what I played in the second part now that I changed it)

**Edit : I decided to combined the two takes using the first part of one and the second of the other. I deleted the the ones that were posted here originally rather than post again. Anyway, sorry for all the posts. Just working thru stuff. Let me know if you want the filtered reverb on the second half removed. I left it in as it didn't seem to mix too bad with the first section.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met6f

Guitar Only.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met6fguitponly
Phil66
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 1 2019, 11:41 PM) *
Practising it more, to make the rhythm more natural and more connected with the backing track groove. Close your eyes, follow the groove with your body and play the solo. Keep on moving your right hand up and down even when you are not playing. Find which are the notes that sound better accentuated, use different dynamics.


Thanks Gab,

I guess it's like everything, get to know the backing, internalise it so you can feel it.

Cheers buddy.

Phil
Phil66
Trying to explore more of the neck but staying within pentatonic, (comfort zone wink.gif )

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-1-rough-take-2

Still trying to get comfortable with part 2 huh.gif

Phil
Todd Simpson
When doing collabs, I usually just hit record in the DAW and let the track loop 15 or 20 times. Then I go back and listen to each one of the takes. Typically a lick or two will catch my ear from each take. I'll chop it up for a rough comp and listen to that. If it works, I'll then go back and play the licks as a single take. So it sounds like I've got one good take, but it's really 20 takes that I grabbed bits from then had to go back and re record so one lick flows to the next.

Some folks really do one pass takes. That's a bit rare for me to be honest. I have to build a solo lick by lick and then get it straight in my head, ok so I'm starting with this hammer thing, then the scale thing, in to a pinch, then the blah blah blah and so on.

Getting a good take is often the result of lots and lots of bad takes that had one or two good things in them. Just like learning a song, it takes time. You gotta work through a LOT of bad before you get to the good smile.gif


Todd
Phil66
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 3 2019, 02:59 AM) *
When doing collabs, I usually just hit record in the DAW and let the track loop 15 or 20 times. Then I go back and listen to each one of the takes. Typically a lick or two will catch my ear from each take. I'll chop it up for a rough comp and listen to that. If it works, I'll then go back and play the licks as a single take. So it sounds like I've got one good take, but it's really 20 takes that I grabbed bits from then had to go back and re record so one lick flows to the next.

Some folks really do one pass takes. That's a bit rare for me to be honest. I have to build a solo lick by lick and then get it straight in my head, ok so I'm starting with this hammer thing, then the scale thing, in to a pinch, then the blah blah blah and so on.

Getting a good take is often the result of lots and lots of bad takes that had one or two good things in them. Just like learning a song, it takes time. You gotta work through a LOT of bad before you get to the good smile.gif


Todd


That"s pretty much what I do Todd, but, sometimes I drop lucky and get something usable in a couple of takes. Don't get me wrong, I know my parts can be vastly improved with time and effort, the effort I have bags of but not so much the time so I end up doing something down that is a three or four out of ten wink.gif
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (GeneT95 @ Apr 1 2019, 11:06 PM) *
I decided on a different take. But can provide the files for the other ones if you think they fit better. I went simpler for the section.

Here is the audio. I'll get the video up before the deadline. (Just have to figure what I played in the second part now that I changed it)

**Edit : I decided to combined the two takes using the first part of one and the second of the other. I deleted the the ones that were posted here originally rather than post again. Anyway, sorry for all the posts. Just working thru stuff. Let me know if you want the filtered reverb on the second half removed. I left it in as it didn't seem to mix too bad with the first section.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met6f

Guitar Only.

https://soundcloud.com/shallowlines/met6fguitponly



Don't worry about multiple posts and takes. That's the idea of this thread! The more activity here, the more fun and the more we learn! smile.gif

I like your final take mate. It sounds very musical, and your tone fits GREAT over the backing track. Thanks a lot for joining!!

Let me know when the video is ready!



QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 2 2019, 04:30 PM) *
Trying to explore more of the neck but staying within pentatonic, (comfort zone wink.gif )

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-1-rough-take-2

Still trying to get comfortable with part 2 huh.gif

Phil



That's sounding good mate!! The only moment that I didn't like is the note at 00:27 that doesn't sound very good over the chord at the moment. I also notice that your guitar has some tuning issues when reaching the higher notes... maybe old strings?
Phil66
Thanks Gab,

Probably old strings, it's an ibby, hate changing them on it biggrin.gif . Did you prefer the first take?

Cheers

Phil

UPDATE:

It's technique buddy, I've checked the high E string all the way to the 24th fret, it goes ever so slightly flat in places, no more than two lights on my TU-3 at the worst. Are you hearing flat or sharp??

Cheers

Phil
onetabmat
Part 1



part 2






Hope you enjoyed part 3 as much as i did wink.gif
GeneT95
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Apr 3 2019, 03:59 AM) *
When doing collabs, I usually just hit record in the DAW and let the track loop 15 or 20 times. Then I go back and listen to each one of the takes.

Getting a good take is often the result of lots and lots of bad takes that had one or two good things in them. Just like learning a song, it takes time. You gotta work through a LOT of bad before you get to the good smile.gif

Todd


Yeah. That and then listening the next morning. I feel that when I give it a rest then listen again I find things that I did not hear before. Like too much time with the headphones on dulls my sense of tone and timing.

It's just I don't always have the luxury of that type of learning, even though it is much more instructive. My wife is away for a while soon, so plan on section 2/3 next week.

QUOTE (Gabriel)
I like your final take mate. It sounds very musical, and your tone fits GREAT over the backing track. Thanks a lot for joining!!


Thanks Gab. I appreciate the comments. Now to to remember what I played in the second half for the video and get parts 2/3 done.
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 3 2019, 04:10 AM) *
Thanks Gab,

Probably old strings, it's an ibby, hate changing them on it biggrin.gif . Did you prefer the first take?

Cheers

Phil

UPDATE:

It's technique buddy, I've checked the high E string all the way to the 24th fret, it goes ever so slightly flat in places, no more than two lights on my TU-3 at the worst. Are you hearing flat or sharp??

Cheers

Phil



No, I like the new take more. I hear that the pitch is not precise. It seems to be a bit sharp.

QUOTE (onetabmat @ Apr 3 2019, 11:40 AM) *
Part 1



part 2






Hope you enjoyed part 3 as much as i did wink.gif



I’ve enjoyed each of the parts! Great job mate. I have a lot of material to build the tune. Thanks a lot!!
Phil66
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 4 2019, 09:45 PM) *
No, I like the new take more. I hear that the pitch is not precise. It seems to be a bit sharp.

Thanks Gab,

Glad you find it sharp, that shows it's technique, I checked and it was all flat. Was the big bend up to B okay?

Cheers buddy

Phil

Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 4 2019, 06:51 PM) *
Thanks Gab,

Glad you find it sharp, that shows it's technique, I checked and it was all flat. Was the big bend up to B okay?

Cheers buddy

Phil


Yes, you seem to be like “searching for the note” but it’s not bad.
Phil66
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 4 2019, 09:59 PM) *
Yes, you seem to be like “searching for the note” but it’s not bad.


laugh.gif I see what you mean, I was trying to do a long slow bend for a bit of drama, didn't work, I'll skip it next time wink.gif

Sorry about the pitch issues, I'll try to get something down this weekend, not had much time this week, lots happening.

Cheers

Phil
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 4 2019, 07:04 PM) *
laugh.gif I see what you mean, I was trying to do a long slow bend for a bit of drama, didn't work, I'll skip it next time wink.gif

Sorry about the pitch issues, I'll try to get something down this weekend, not had much time this week, lots happening.

Cheers

Phil



The idea is good! but it needs some more practice.

The good side of giving longer deadlines is that you have time to practice and polish your takes.
Phil66
QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Apr 5 2019, 05:26 PM) *
The idea is good! but it needs some more practice.

The good side of giving longer deadlines is that you have time to practice and polish your takes.


Thanks Gab,

Is it not smooth enough? ie, not a nice continuous increase in pitch or is it something else?

Cheers

Phil
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 5 2019, 03:47 PM) *
Thanks Gab,

Is it not smooth enough? ie, not a nice continuous increase in pitch or is it something else?

Cheers

Phil


Yeah, that’s what I feel. It should be smoother.
Phil66
Another try.

https://soundcloud.com/gmcphil-1/metallica-part-1-rough-take-3
onetabmat
QUOTE (Phil66 @ Apr 6 2019, 08:19 PM) *


Sounds great mate
Phil66
QUOTE (onetabmat @ Apr 7 2019, 09:44 AM) *
Sounds great mate

Thanks May,

Yours is pretty spiff, how long you been playing?
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