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Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 13 2019, 04:32 PM) *

I REALLY like their slogan. Simply sophisticated. You don't see many this clever nowadays.

Seems like one of each would be enough for a complete pedalboard, but then isn't Kemper a better substitution since I presume these are all digital? Boss probably went towards the mainstream trends but I feel they are running out of ideas (you can't design new pedals because there isn't an infinite amount of possibilities. I see that after this announcement and the Waza reissues they launched recently. They could start developing tube-powered stompboxes though.

Personally, I only find the EQ interesting but I'll try out GE-7 before moving on to larger stuff. I hear there are a few nice rack eq units, so there's a lot to choose from.
Mertay
Yeah the eq got the most instant feedback of looking promising. I'd expect it to beat GE-7 for having less noise and higher fidelity, the ge-7 is from what I remember is an "ok" pedal but not to expect any analog goodness. I liked the recent mxr eq's more, very good quality only downside is they have a limited headroom (warns with leds is headroom is passed).

MD AND DD-200 seems 3/1 cheaper than the 500 series, if no advanced tweaking required could be cool for the price. I demoed all the 500 stuff and they sounded very good.

But the OD I'm not sure. With a cool tube-amp amp such digital-drive pedals do sound good depending on setup but with lesser amps or used with digital they start to feel fake very soon. But I do like the GT1000 so we'll see...
Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 13 2019, 07:17 PM) *
Yeah the eq got the most instant feedback of looking promising. I'd expect it to beat GE-7 for having less noise and higher fidelity, the ge-7 is from what I remember is an "ok" pedal but not to expect any analog goodness. I liked the recent mxr eq's more, very good quality only downside is they have a limited headroom (warns with leds is headroom is passed).

MD AND DD-200 seems 3/1 cheaper than the 500 series, if no advanced tweaking required could be cool for the price. I demoed all the 500 stuff and they sounded very good.

But the OD I'm not sure. With a cool tube-amp amp such digital-drive pedals do sound good depending on setup but with lesser amps or used with digital they start to feel fake very soon. But I do like the GT1000 so we'll see...

I hear a lot of good things about sniper modded GE-7 (get it cheap and swap certain elements to the same but of better quality, basically build a new circuit using Boss' PCB). If I find a cheap one, shouldn't hurt to try stock one, I'm not going to mod it. I'd probably prefer a rack unit instead of this multi-band new thing and an EQ would probably be a huge upgrade because I'm using Joyo Zombie amp and consider getting the Jackman model. These have only Tone knob, as in guitar or od/distortion pedals, so my options are limited. I like the sound, though so it's not a big problem.
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 13 2019, 07:14 PM) *
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Sure and eq can be quite useful. I mean even if you change the amp one day you can use it as a boost pedal or as solo level/tone increase on the send/return.
Todd Simpson
I love playing with new pedals smile.gif I hope these show up in guitar center so I can give them a whirl. I end up buying pedals that I don't need just to have some fun with them. I bought one of those mini tube screamers just cause they looked so darn cool! I tried it and yup, it's a tube screamer. Just like every other tube screamer ive owned, but it's smaller. So it's going back on the block.


Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 13 2019, 08:28 PM) *
Sure and eq can be quite useful. I mean even if you change the amp one day you can use it as a boost pedal or as solo level/tone increase on the send/return.

I have a Behringer's EQ700 and it's okay for clean but it's super hissy with overdrives and distortions. Are all EQ's like this?

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 14 2019, 01:55 AM) *
I love playing with new pedals smile.gif I hope these show up in guitar center so I can give them a whirl. I end up buying pedals that I don't need just to have some fun with them. I bought one of those mini tube screamers just cause they looked so darn cool! I tried it and yup, it's a tube screamer. Just like every other tube screamer ive owned, but it's smaller. So it's going back on the block.

I like that part about buying rig just to play around with it! I'm the same but I'm usually looking for bargains in used market.

The other day I bought an OD pedal and that company was just entering Polish market. I basically got a tube screamer for 5% of its price because whoever put it on auction was probably expecting any competition. Now its prices are 4 times bigger but it's still relatively cheap for the quality/price.

I'm not a fan of One-Unit-To-Rule-Them-All philosophy but the EQ pedal doesn't fall in the category. I'll try each at store if they have any in stock, as you said, it's fun smile.gif

There's also a chance Ola will review one of these, so that's another thing to look forward to.
klasaine
They look interesting but they 'street' at $250.00.
Their competition, at least for me, will be both my TC and Strymon pedals.
The TC stuff is $100 cheaper with equal or better sound quality and most of the Strymon gear is only $50 more with infinitely better sound quality, better build quality not too mention super deep multi-function knob/switch options.
Yes, the Boss gives you 4 presets, though with an external switch, the Strymon gear allows for 2. Depending on which Strymon pedal - sometimes 3 presets. The TC stuff boasts the Tone Print feature which I employ all the time.

A lot of Boss pedals are cool but little of what they've made that's over $100 has ever really sounded like it's worth more than a hundred dollars. Maybe the DC-2 because of how unique it is.
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 14 2019, 01:41 AM) *
I have a Behringer's EQ700 and it's okay for clean but it's super hissy with overdrives and distortions. Are all EQ's like this?


I didn't notice that with the mxr but likely a digital pedal will be a touch more quiet.
Mertay
QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 14 2019, 01:56 AM) *
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I probably wouldn't be eager to demo a boss if I had a tc or strymon pedal unless needed something specific. I never compared them side-by-side but the boss (my experience with 500 series) really impressed me.

Thing about boss was overall the algo's were very straight-forward, meaning nothing innovative etc. compared to other brands. But the clarity, tweak-ability, ease of use, felt like a tank...they do the workhorse thing really well even with digital stuff like these.

If they don't sound any less than the 500 series, then could be a winner.
Kristofer Dahl
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 13 2019, 06:47 PM) *
Seems like one of each would be enough for a complete pedalboard, but then isn't Kemper a better substitution since I presume these are all digital? Boss probably went towards the mainstream trends but I feel they are running out of ideas (you can't design new pedals because there isn't an infinite amount of possibilities. I see that after this announcement and the Waza reissues they launched recently. They could start developing tube-powered stompboxes though.


Hm so they are digital?

I have tried multiple digital pedals in a chain and although A/D D/A conversion nowadayds has got really good even at low pricepoints - the major issue is that after a few pedals you get audible or at least "feelable" latency. So yes having all the effects in one single digital unit to avoid stacking A/D latency totally makes sense!
Gabriel Leopardi
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 13 2019, 01:47 PM) *
I REALLY like their slogan. Simply sophisticated. You don't see many this clever nowadays.

Seems like one of each would be enough for a complete pedalboard, but then isn't Kemper a better substitution since I presume these are all digital? Boss probably went towards the mainstream trends but I feel they are running out of ideas (you can't design new pedals because there isn't an infinite amount of possibilities. I see that after this announcement and the Waza reissues they launched recently. They could start developing tube-powered stompboxes though.

Personally, I only find the EQ interesting but I'll try out GE-7 before moving on to larger stuff. I hear there are a few nice rack eq units, so there's a lot to choose from.



mm I think that Kemper must be a better option since you have everything in one, but the price is very different. If someones asks me to invest the same amount of money on these type of digital pedals or go for a Kemper (or Fractal), I would definitely go for the second option.
Even more, now that Fractal is releasing a new smaller version.

Mertay
They're basically breaking apart the gt1000 algo's similar to line6 with their digital fx. Only the OD200 differs a bit, seems to be a semi-analog device
Todd Simpson
Id have to agree. HOnestly, at this price range, I"d just get the Hotone Ampero which runs about $400 and uses the algos from the Xtomp which I also liked quite a bit. The problem with the Xtomp is that it can't change patches quickly it's just one thing at a time. each emulated pedal/amp was good, but changes were to slow to use it on stage as anything but one pedal. People were buying 2 or thre of them which seems crazy. I'd buy a kemper before I bought 3 xtomps. But the ampero is about the price of two of these pedals and does everything one could need while sounding quite good at the same time.

I think these are for Pedal Board Buffs who are just hard core about using Pedals. I've seen some of these guys around and they just HATE the idea of a multi fx unit. They swear by using individual pedals to shape their tone. It just seems archaic to me. One would need a programmable pedal switcher to use a wad of pedals and even then each pedal only has one setting, which is what aggrivated me about the xtomp. So that's no good either.


Still, I would like to try these out just for giggles wink.gif

QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 14 2019, 05:23 PM) *
mm I think that Kemper must be a better option since you have everything in one, but the price is very different. If someones asks me to invest the same amount of money on these type of digital pedals or go for a Kemper (or Fractal), I would definitely go for the second option.
Even more, now that Fractal is releasing a new smaller version.
Mertay
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 15 2019, 04:12 AM) *
I think these are for Pedal Board Buffs who are just hard core about using Pedals. I've seen some of these guys around and they just HATE the idea of a multi fx unit. They swear by using individual pedals to shape their tone. It just seems archaic to me. One would need a programmable pedal switcher to use a wad of pedals and even then each pedal only has one setting, which is what aggrivated me about the xtomp. So that's no good either.


Well, the point of that is so the tone of guitar won't be changed. My experience is every processor I tried (low to mid. priced stuff) changes the signal balance somehow, you can test that with the hotone too just bypass everything record then plug guitar direct to soundcard and record. These processors usually have hidden post-eq to compensate that difference.

Reverb pedals are usually better than processors cause a good reverb takes too much dsp. Delays can be argued but my experience the output is usually more lively eq'wise. These are also (hardware) parallel designed which to my knowledge can't be done with processors.

Boss jumps in here by being buffered, as a buffer also influences sound character. Some totally avoids while others select 1-2 (usually their famous tuner) on their chain so the signal won't get too dark by cable length or too many (even if true-bypass) pedals. The 500 series by the way are true-bypass or buffered selectable, not sure about the 200 series.
Adam
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 15 2019, 05:12 AM) *
Id have to agree. HOnestly, at this price range, I"d just get the Hotone Ampero which runs about $400 and uses the algos from the Xtomp which I also liked quite a bit. The problem with the Xtomp is that it can't change patches quickly it's just one thing at a time. each emulated pedal/amp was good, but changes were to slow to use it on stage as anything but one pedal. People were buying 2 or thre of them which seems crazy. I'd buy a kemper before I bought 3 xtomps. But the ampero is about the price of two of these pedals and does everything one could need while sounding quite good at the same time.

I think these are for Pedal Board Buffs who are just hard core about using Pedals. I've seen some of these guys around and they just HATE the idea of a multi fx unit. They swear by using individual pedals to shape their tone. It just seems archaic to me. One would need a programmable pedal switcher to use a wad of pedals and even then each pedal only has one setting, which is what aggrivated me about the xtomp. So that's no good either.


Still, I would like to try these out just for giggles wink.gif

That's me! smile.gif I hate cars with ABS or assisted steering just as much as I dislike modelling units. It takes away most of the fun for me. The easiest solution to needing a pedal control unit is imho a/b switch. Distortion signal in one path and clean in the other. If you plan to be consistent with your tone and don't need to switch between more than 2-3 presets it should be good enough. I know being analogue semi-purist is in some ways inefficient but as much as I love tinkering, I may eventually put together some unit to fix these issues.
Todd Simpson
Then you are the target market smile.gif I''m an ancillary market as I might get a unit just to try it out and see how it sounds. The flexibility of a single unit won me over a while ago yet I still had two pedal boards for years. Only recently did I sell them off after the ampero as I found I never used them anymore. They just took too much time to adjust and then creating patches was very limiting. Not being able to have as many settings on a given pedal as I wanted also killed it. I still like playing wtih pedals thought smile.gif Probably always will.
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 15 2019, 10:00 AM) *
That's me! smile.gif I hate cars with ABS or assisted steering just as much as I dislike modelling units. It takes away most of the fun for me. The easiest solution to needing a pedal control unit is imho a/b switch. Distortion signal in one path and clean in the other. If you plan to be consistent with your tone and don't need to switch between more than 2-3 presets it should be good enough. I know being analogue semi-purist is in some ways inefficient but as much as I love tinkering, I may eventually put together some unit to fix these issues.


The first thing I do with any pedal/unit, is do the on off test with no fx to see if it's messing with the tone. The 11 rack didn't seem to have any impact and the ampero has no impact. However, I hear some of the early amperos had noise in them which was later fixed. I've got the 11 and the ampero and they are both great units. I find myself using the ampero because it's so small and easy to tweak with the touch screen or the software editor. I'll never sell the 11 though. It's just a very handy piece of kit and them amps tones are great . LIke i said though I hope to try these pedals out : ) Love trying new gear. Not to marry, just to date it briefly. Kinda like my video games smile.gif

QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 15 2019, 08:46 AM) *
Well, the point of that is so the tone of guitar won't be changed. My experience is every processor I tried (low to mid. priced stuff) changes the signal balance somehow, you can test that with the hotone too just bypass everything record then plug guitar direct to soundcard and record. These processors usually have hidden post-eq to compensate that difference.

Reverb pedals are usually better than processors cause a good reverb takes too much dsp. Delays can be argued but my experience the output is usually more lively eq'wise. These are also (hardware) parallel designed which to my knowledge can't be done with processors.

Boss jumps in here by being buffered, as a buffer also influences sound character. Some totally avoids while others select 1-2 (usually their famous tuner) on their chain so the signal won't get too dark by cable length or too many (even if true-bypass) pedals. The 500 series by the way are true-bypass or buffered selectable, not sure about the 200 series.


I have to agree smile.gif Having all of it in one spot is just way more easy to build tones with IMHO. If you have good sounding bits in the unit, that sound as good or better than the pedals/amps, then the pedals/amps are just dead weight. That said, I still like playing with new gear, even if I have no intention of keeping it. smile.gif Some folks just like making pedals boards. I still find it to be fun smile.gif Like legos for music. But I never end up using them as they are way to limiting. One sound per pedal? Why? When I can have 100 sounds out of that pedal without having to adjust it manually cause it's in the multi unit. But to each his own smile.gif


QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 14 2019, 05:23 PM) *
mm I think that Kemper must be a better option since you have everything in one, but the price is very different. If someones asks me to invest the same amount of money on these type of digital pedals or go for a Kemper (or Fractal), I would definitely go for the second option.
Even more, now that Fractal is releasing a new smaller version.


Here is a demo video from Boss. Some great tones!! Nothing that a good multi can't do IMHO, but it's fun to build a board and play with buttons so I say build boards!!! But they are $250 each so all four is $1,000. I'd return them all and get a good multi unit for that price. You could almost buy two good units, an ampero and a mini helix or mini headrush and have way more possibilites.

klasaine
They sound pretty good but as Todd says, "all the decent multi-fx units sound that good now". And the high end ones sound better.

If you like pedals, don't mind spending $50 more and want absolutely stellar tone - do yourself a favor and go the Eventide, Strymon and Source Audio route. If you dig the weird stuff - Earthquaker Devices.
Unless you need money you won't sell them because so far, no multifx, modeler or profiler does time based effects this good (yet).
Mertay


Friend of mine bought this amp (with original cab.) used only 2 days ago, I played that amp last year and might be the best I've ever played. Just a few knobs or buttons and the variety of tones are huge, genius engineering.

So he's near broke now biggrin.gif but needs a reverb pedal and can't use a cheap pedal or processor (currently has a gt100) , in reality he can but the moment you plug something and notice a difference in tone or dynamics one just can't give-up on such a beautiful tone.

But if using processor as amp then this isn't an issue, any change of eq etc. can be compensated by the device's cab. or eq section anyway. Naturally, any tone coming out of the device is "its tone" so its easy to adapt its self coloration.
Todd Simpson
Cool amp!!!! That's the BIG IRON!

Todd
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 18 2019, 05:24 PM) *


Friend of mine bought this amp (with original cab.) used only 2 days ago, I played that amp last year and might be the best I've ever played. Just a few knobs or buttons and the variety of tones are huge, genius engineering.

So he's near broke now biggrin.gif but needs a reverb pedal and can't use a cheap pedal or processor (currently has a gt100) , in reality he can but the moment you plug something and notice a difference in tone or dynamics one just can't give-up on such a beautiful tone.

But if using processor as amp then this isn't an issue, any change of eq etc. can be compensated by the device's cab. or eq section anyway. Naturally, any tone coming out of the device is "its tone" so its easy to adapt its self coloration.
Adam
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 19 2019, 01:32 AM) *
Cool amp!!!! That's the BIG IRON!

Todd

I like Mesa's design but ENGL's are imho better. I've only tried ENGL's Invader and that was a love at first strum. Mesa's Recto, not so much but I wouldn't mind one if I found a nice bargain.

About the reverbs, I think good old spring unit beats the crap of the multifx emulation but high-quality DAWs probably have high-quality reverbs. I hear Mooer or Joyo has a nice counterpart for Boss' RV-6, so that could be worth checking.
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 19 2019, 05:07 PM) *
I like Mesa's design but ENGL's are imho better. I've only tried ENGL's Invader and that was a love at first strum. Mesa's Recto, not so much but I wouldn't mind one if I found a nice bargain.

About the reverbs, I think good old spring unit beats the crap of the multifx emulation but high-quality DAWs probably have high-quality reverbs. I hear Mooer or Joyo has a nice counterpart for Boss' RV-6, so that could be worth checking.


With a recto, I like it when the volume is really high as then as if a second amp tone starts to blend in (poweramp tone) but its not so versatile. Mesa Mark V is an amp I could play anytime due to 1-2 of my friends having them but to be honest never really liked them despite the popularity. Cleans are nice but next to a Fender they're a bit sterile, drive probably I'd pick a different cab. than whats regularly inluded, distortion is fuzzy and never tested pedals to see how much I can tame it...simply too much work to set it up biggrin.gif

But the ENGL is really something else, can go super loud but doesn't have to be to get convincing Plexi/silver jubilee tones. Cleans are magical yet can drive as much as Yngwie tones...what shocked me most was the lack of knobs and variety when I first tried it. My second shock was when noticing the headroom, actually struggled a bit cause I am so used to other solutions.

Good reverbs require too much DSP power (probably as much as an amp sim. itself) so its usually the softspot of multi-fx units. Cheap stuff are more delay based, meaning the reflections are very few so sounds thin and works best only if added very little to the tone. I like some Chinese brand solutions, specially drive pedals but for such pedal looking at USA priced probably not going lesser for 100 dolar new is a good lowest but safe limit.
Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 19 2019, 06:39 PM) *
With a recto, I like it when the volume is really high as then as if a second amp tone starts to blend in (poweramp tone) but its not so versatile. Mesa Mark V is an amp I could play anytime due to 1-2 of my friends having them but to be honest never really liked them despite the popularity. Cleans are nice but next to a Fender they're a bit sterile, drive probably I'd pick a different cab. than whats regularly inluded, distortion is fuzzy and never tested pedals to see how much I can tame it...simply too much work to set it up biggrin.gif

But the ENGL is really something else, can go super loud but doesn't have to be to get convincing Plexi/silver jubilee tones. Cleans are magical yet can drive as much as Yngwie tones...what shocked me most was the lack of knobs and variety when I first tried it. My second shock was when noticing the headroom, actually struggled a bit cause I am so used to other solutions.

Good reverbs require too much DSP power (probably as much as an amp sim. itself) so its usually the softspot of multi-fx units. Cheap stuff are more delay based, meaning the reflections are very few so sounds thin and works best only if added very little to the tone. I like some Chinese brand solutions, specially drive pedals but for such pedal looking at USA priced probably not going lesser for 100 dolar new is a good lowest but safe limit.

Personally, I love the "sterileness" of Mesa clean, even more when paired with passive EMGs and vice versa: Fender's, Marshall's or Peavey's clean is too organic for my tastes.

Back to multi-distortion pedals, I did a little research and OD-20, EQ-20 and such are available in great numbers in my country used at quite low price, so correct me if I'm wrong but it must mean there's something wrong with them. It's the same for any piece of rig or other machines. Maybe that's why Boss developed another series hoping to make a better line of multifx that people actually don't re-sell after a month.
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 19 2019, 07:00 PM) *
Back to multi-distortion pedals, I did a little research and OD-20, EQ-20 and such are available in great numbers in my country used at quite low price, so correct me if I'm wrong but it must mean there's something wrong with them. It's the same for any piece of rig or other machines. Maybe that's why Boss developed another series hoping to make a better line of multifx that people actually don't re-sell after a month.


Yeah, those stuff needs some amp breakup to sound half-decent. Can be cool as boosts (I really liked some of the OD's in my gt1 I sold a while ago) too but not really for the clean channel, even Helix owners complain on the high-gain pedals. Most are emulations of classic pedals anyway which were designed to work with some amp breakup going on.

I'd also assume if used with a processor or a digital amp they would suck. Even with the Katana my experience is digital drive solutions really shows itself. So I think thats why Boss's 200 series will be hybrid designed, using some analog stages to get a better tone (like strymon did).

I can recommend the Boss DA2 though, works great with fender-ish tones on the clean channel. Not super highgain but not low either, they're discontinued so could be found for a decent price on the used market.
Todd Simpson
Took my ampero in to my local guitar shop (turned off cab sim) hooked up to an old yamaha power amp to a mesa cab with one of my high gain patches. Sounded amazing. Tried the mesa Mark V. Sounded mean, but not as articulated. Notes kept getting lost in the gain, even when it wasn't that high. Then tried my clean patch on the ampero based on a roughly on a fender twin nofx, same power amp, sounded full. Tried the Mesa and could not get it to sound warm at all. As if the clean was an after thought on the mesa. Sounded like the drive channel with the drive turned off. I didn't bring the 11 rack as it's just to big to carry around. The Ampero is great for bringing to stores and testing gear with just because it's so darn small. I'm using my own patches of course so I know how they should sound. So If I put a guitar in to it, and it sounds a bit crap, pretty sure that's not the guitar for me. I've put strats, ibbys, LTD, Bc Rich, etc through it at home and they all sound nice. So if I plug in a guitar and it's awful. I know not to get it. I"m using a small 5 watt head on a 4x12 mostly and sometimes a 300 watt rocktron rack amp. Basic randal 4x12. It gives a decent baseline for comparison. But tone is very individual, some folks love sterile tones some love organic.
Mertay
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 20 2019, 06:10 AM) *
Took my ampero in to my local guitar shop (turned off cab sim) hooked up to an old yamaha power amp to a mesa cab with one of my high gain patches. Sounded amazing. Tried the mesa Mark V. Sounded mean, but not as articulated. Notes kept getting lost in the gain, even when it wasn't that high. Then tried my clean patch on the ampero based on a roughly on a fender twin nofx, same power amp, sounded full. Tried the Mesa and could not get it to sound warm at all. As if the clean was an after thought on the mesa. Sounded like the drive channel with the drive turned off. I didn't bring the 11 rack as it's just to big to carry around. The Ampero is great for bringing to stores and testing gear with just because it's so darn small. I'm using my own patches of course so I know how they should sound. So If I put a guitar in to it, and it sounds a bit crap, pretty sure that's not the guitar for me. I've put strats, ibbys, LTD, Bc Rich, etc through it at home and they all sound nice. So if I plug in a guitar and it's awful. I know not to get it. I"m using a small 5 watt head on a 4x12 mostly and sometimes a 300 watt rocktron rack amp. Basic randal 4x12. It gives a decent baseline for comparison. But tone is very individual, some folks love sterile tones some love organic.


Though more obvious with plug-ins, poweramp sim. are getting better and better on digital. Considering the coloration of the Yamaha poweramp, this (in theory with Hotone, was possible with boss gt-1) can be achieved by increasing the (software) amps output but decreasing the output of the processor (post amp digitally or by processor main output).

I did recordings to try this out with the gt-1, differences weren't subtle. But driving the poweramp doesn't always sound better with high-gain tones as it can muddy-up the tone too so testing by recording will be a huge advantage.

Mertay
Todd Simpson
I hope these show up in guitar center. I'd love to try them. I'd get a strymon as ken said if I wanted to buy a pedal, just not in the market. Still I end up wiith pedals all the time even though I don't need them smile.gif
Recently bought two guitars, gus g, and mocking bird, lasted about 2 weeks then back on the block. Was fun to try them though smile.gif Made the gabe collab vid with the gus..
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 22 2019, 03:41 AM) *
Mertay
QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Jun 22 2019, 06:01 PM) *
I hope these show up in guitar center. I'd love to try them. I'd get a strymon as ken said if I wanted to buy a pedal, just not in the market.


Which delay pedal would you choose for your shred style specific? If I didn't have processor delay option, this would be a very hard choice.

Boss terra turned out to be a very unexpected preference for me; Its dual delay (super important if no reverb prefered, Vai style sound), wide stereo, tails fill the background nicely, easy to find used...that modulation effect doesn't trigger with shred type distortion, which is a big plus for me biggrin.gif

There are few delays I really like but cause of the dual thing I like, things can get really expensive with imagination biggrin.gif
Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 23 2019, 11:30 AM) *
Which delay pedal would you choose for your shred style specific? If I didn't have processor delay option, this would be a very hard choice.

Boss terra turned out to be a very unexpected preference for me; Its dual delay (super important if no reverb prefered, Vai style sound), wide stereo, tails fill the background nicely, easy to find used...that modulation effect doesn't trigger with shred type distortion, which is a big plus for me biggrin.gif

There are few delays I really like but cause of the dual thing I like, things can get really expensive with imagination biggrin.gif

I'm happy with my DD-7. It covers a whole lotta ground with its options which makes it really versatile but I use one setting since the purchase. It's my god-tier delay and it's as digital as the modelling units, so it's probably on par Kempers, racks etc. At the end of the day, there's a limit to customization and no price tag will ever get around it, so just go for one you like and enjoy it smile.gif
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Jun 25 2019, 11:44 AM) *
I'm happy with my DD-7. It covers a whole lotta ground with its options which makes it really versatile but I use one setting since the purchase. It's my god-tier delay and it's as digital as the modelling units, so it's probably on par Kempers, racks etc. At the end of the day, there's a limit to customization and no price tag will ever get around it, so just go for one you like and enjoy it smile.gif


Remember cause of parallel routing pedals of then sound better (as in clarity) even than the most expensive processors.
Mertay
Todd Simpson
For me, as long as I can get two delays in sequence I"m happy smile.gif The first one is always set to 80ms. with no feedback. It gives a "room tone" vibe like early Megadeth which always puts a smile on my face. The second one is set to 350ms with some feedback which helps squeals resonate like crazy. It's why my pinch squeals break through a mix. I don't use any crazy delay settings, so my needs are pretty basic. Some folks who do shoegaze stuff like to hit one chord and let the delay do the work, or play like EDGE from U2 and let the delay do half the work instead of picking each note. I'm not that guy. I pick a LOT so too much delay can be a bad thing for me.
My one complaint about the old 11 rack is one delay only. So I have to use a reverb for room tone.

What I love about OVERLOUD is I can add two or more delays and two or more reverbs if I want a really fx heavy tone.

If I had to use pedals, I'd just need two basic delays that I could set just like I set them in my plugin. If one delay had two sets of time/feedback/level controls that would do the trick smile.gif



Todd
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jun 23 2019, 06:30 AM) *
Which delay pedal would you choose for your shred style specific? If I didn't have processor delay option, this would be a very hard choice.

Boss terra turned out to be a very unexpected preference for me; Its dual delay (super important if no reverb prefered, Vai style sound), wide stereo, tails fill the background nicely, easy to find used...that modulation effect doesn't trigger with shred type distortion, which is a big plus for me biggrin.gif

There are few delays I really like but cause of the dual thing I like, things can get really expensive with imagination biggrin.gif
Adam
It sure looks like it can pack a punch in the mix. Seems like a solid unit for everyone who likes to play around with presets smile.gif

I didn't want to start another topic, since it's related to Boss pedals as well. I just rashly bought Boss OD-3 I was trying to get off auctions and compared to the usual prices, mine was a steal. The problem is, it cost all the remaining money I had on bank account (besides savings). Literally, all of them. That was a sign from the above because any extra penny and it would be out of the question. I stocked up on drinking water and some food and refueled my car, so now I'll just have to survive 2.5 weeks with it. Now I know what it feels like to be a guitar head. I just hope OD-3 really is worth all this wink.gif
Mertay
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Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Jul 29 2019, 03:59 PM) *
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I managed to get just enough space to play guitar and I tried plugging OD-3 into hybrid amp. It behaves COMPLETELY differently than when plugged into a solid state and I mean it in a better way. Definitely a keeper! biggrin.gif
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Aug 14 2019, 08:55 PM) *
I managed to get just enough space to play guitar and I tried plugging OD-3 into hybrid amp. It behaves COMPLETELY differently than when plugged into a solid state and I mean it in a better way. Definitely a keeper! biggrin.gif


Glad you liked it, I often read rave reviews of it but never really tried at home. At store I felt it has a bit of a tubescreamer thing going on where until you plug-in to the amp you can't be sure what to expect, seems I was right based on your experience.
Todd Simpson
The OD3 is a classic pedal imho smile.gif It always seemed to have more of a deep punch to it than tube screamer type pedals. It didn't seem to cut the lows out of the signal like tube screamer type pedals do. This isn't good or bad by itself, just different. Tube screamer type pedals are often used as a "high pass filter" to let the "high frequencies pass through" and trim off some of the bass so that the tone can stay "tight" and not get boomy when using a high gain amp in real life or in simulation. The OD3 doesn't cut the lows like that so for low/mid gain sounds it carries a LOT more beef/oomph! Glad you like it smile.gif

QUOTE (Adam @ Aug 14 2019, 04:55 PM) *
I managed to get just enough space to play guitar and I tried plugging OD-3 into hybrid amp. It behaves COMPLETELY differently than when plugged into a solid state and I mean it in a better way. Definitely a keeper! biggrin.gif
klasaine
As Todd alludes to the OD3 has a flatter EQ contour. Mids and bass stay pretty much the same. Some will say there's too much bass. That all depends on your amp. *The original TS (Maxon/Ibanez) pedals were tuned towards Fender amps of the time (late 70s, early 80s) which have lower mids by design. It's one of the elements that give them a great clean and 'sparkly' tone. The TS pushed the mids for better cut through on a lead.
The OD3 has less overall drive than the DS1 and SD1 and more than a BD2. Because of it's flatter EQ it works really good as a clean boost.
It, like so many Boss and Ibanez pedals, makes a great 'mod' platform.
Adam
QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 15 2019, 12:33 AM) *
Glad you liked it, I often read rave reviews of it but never really tried at home. At store I felt it has a bit of a tubescreamer thing going on where until you plug-in to the amp you can't be sure what to expect, seems I was right based on your experience.

I can second each one of these hyper-positive reviews! I have a tubescreamer and to be honest I hate it but OD3 seems a more refined pedal, at least for me!

QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 15 2019, 02:49 AM) *
The OD3 is a classic pedal imho smile.gif It always seemed to have more of a deep punch to it than tube screamer type pedals. It didn't seem to cut the lows out of the signal like tube screamer type pedals do. This isn't good or bad by itself, just different. Tube screamer type pedals are often used as a "high pass filter" to let the "high frequencies pass through" and trim off some of the bass so that the tone can stay "tight" and not get boomy when using a high gain amp in real life or in simulation. The OD3 doesn't cut the lows like that so for low/mid gain sounds it carries a LOT more beef/oomph! Glad you like it smile.gif

I like it much more than my TS808! I mean, I wouldn't even put them on a similar tier. The way you put it may be the reason. I like to keep the bass and it's LOUD. Only DS-1 Keeley modded of all my pedals has a similar volume range, others are very quiet in comparison. And it's quiet too, no need for a noise gate at all! You'll hear it a lot in my future videos.

QUOTE (klasaine @ Aug 15 2019, 03:56 PM) *
As Todd alludes to the OD3 has a flatter EQ contour. Mids and bass stay pretty much the same. Some will say there's too much bass. That all depends on your amp. *The original TS (Maxon/Ibanez) pedals were tuned towards Fender amps of the time (late 70s, early 80s) which have lower mids by design. It's one of the elements that give them a great clean and 'sparkly' tone. The TS pushed the mids for better cut through on a lead.
The OD3 has less overall drive than the DS1 and SD1 and more than a BD2. Because of it's flatter EQ it works really good as a clean boost.
It, like so many Boss and Ibanez pedals, makes a great 'mod' platform.

This makes a lot of sense. It also makes sense why I dislike tubescreamers so much, I don't use Fender amps or strats which would probably benefit from it. I like OD3's transparency a lot. It's really nice as a clean boost but it also sounds great as an Overdrive unit. To me, it's perfect as it is and I don't see any need to modding this one smile.gif
Mertay
QUOTE (Adam @ Aug 17 2019, 12:20 AM) *
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It really depends on the amp and guitar, if either one is voiced on the modern side then the ts9 might not work. My problem was it cut too much bass and my low-e string on neck position sounded almost identical to the bridge biggrin.gif

Thats why the ts9dx was released, I believe Paul Gilbert used it a lot on his high-gain shredding days but the pedal never really got popular. I liked its "+" modes overall tone but it wasn't as lively as the ts9.

I remembered this video about the OD3, not the best video quality but still pretty cool; https://youtu.be/fDgIKQTFurs
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