cool, I needed this
Very nice lesson! Cool licks and nice sound!
Once again very good one Muris I like that track, a lot! And explainations are good as well! Keep em´coming
Great stuff, and some awesome licks!
Cool Muris - a really nice lesson
hey, excellent lesson Muris!!! Gotta practice it once I back home from work For me this is a good lesson to practice speed and a melody as well. thx 4 it. cheers
Your pinky is mesmerizing. Thanks for this.
I remember Kris saying:
"Good guitar players can make melodies with speed. But I can't so I use them as build-ups."
i thought economy picking was a no-no. Anways, good lesson Muris.
Thanks guys,hope you can use it!!
Ryan,need more explanation about no-no, think I don't understand what is a no-no
No-No means - "never use it!"
Thanks Pavel !
Hmm,must talk with Ryan about it
For me dropping economy picking was one of the best things that happened to me... I still have some practice todo, to get back on track though.
However, it's obvious that economy picking is working for a lot of people!
Cool, never understood this technique to get into it. Thanks for the lesson, Muris
Is it better economy picking or alternate picking ?
Both are more than just great,there's no better!
You just need to decide when and how to use which one.
I'm making a lesson about it at the moment
i cant really say that i understand what´s so economy about this picking? im dazed and confused
I may be mistaken but my understanding of economy picking was playing a same string in the same direction up or down twice or more times. It seems to me that muris is picking alternate at times while economically inserting triad sweep like patterns. Which in my opinion would make it easier and quicker to play it that way. I will definately have to study the patterns more though to learn them, thanks muris for the lesson.
Economy picking is related to sweeping - the economy comes in when you switch strings. At all other times it is the same as alt picking.
Say you were playing 2 notes on your b string then a note on your g string ...
Alt picking would be D,U - move upwards to g string - D
Economy picking would be D,U,U (whilst moving to G string)
In this example, you move the pick up to switch strings, so in alt picking you are making an up/down movement when you switch strings and pick the note. In economy picking you combine moving from one string to the next with the picking stroke which is more econmical in movement terms, hence the name.
Its attractors say that this gives you better speed with less wasted movement, whilst its detractors say that without a strict up/down movement you lose rhythm and cannot play as precisely.
Me - I'm neutral as I can't alt pick fast enough for it to matter yet, although a couple of experiments confirm the speed AND the loss of precision for me, so you get to choose, speed or precision.
Oh, and both sides of the argument can cite master shredders who use their technique, so I guess at the end it comes down to preference, and as ever, practice
Yeah,Andrew gave fine explanation again
I would just say that example of two notes on B and one on G shall be D and U,not actually D,U and U.
That's one move when you're on speed.
Of course in slow videos I did it as two hits just to show move of pick,but it's one hit indeed.
You got me on this one Andrew,sorry
But it is great technique don't you think??
There's a small lick in my Improvisation video, 3 nps run,played economy,sounds nice..
Yeah,is the best to have both ready for fire
Muris -great lesson. Do you have any Frank Gambale influences here? He has a speed picking video that has some similar instruction. And incredible speed! Excellent!
Frank Gambale mastered this kind of picking a long time ago, so he's a big influence here for sure.
Regarding to speed,I'll do more complex and faster stuff with economy picking in next lessons,I promise!
Thanks for kind comment!!
OMG, Excelent lesson as always !!! I need more time to study your exercices
Holy,looks like you're really hitting on my lessons Juan,thanks a lot!!
excellent lesson muris!!!!!
In some situations, like for me recently in learning Muris' Extreme Neoclassical lesson, it would be nearly impossible to play some of the licks quickly without using economy picking, especially the fast descending licks seem to almost force you to economy pick, also sweeps come off of economy picking more naturally, so a hard rule always to alternate pick might not be practical - just my 2 cents worth about the discussion alternate vs. economy. Great lesson, by the way, as always.
I am going to spend a while trying to pull this technique off but I love the challenge!!
Thanks for creating all the great lessons Muris
Cheers guys,appreciate it.
Hey Muris I just checked out junk medley.......damn man!! Unreal composition, I love at 2:20 the VH tempo change, you have my vote.
Thanks Hank,much appreciated!!
Hey Muris,another great lesson for sure!! your definatley having great influence over my playing at min...only joined about 2 weeks ago,,my playing is improving all time...i need 2 learn all your lessons!! (thats a hell of a goal!)..also ive been checking you out on youtube,your own music is truly awsome!!i hope you make it really BIG!...as long as you keep on teachin us ..
That was very kind,thanks a lot!
Keep me updated on your progress tho.
wow! this is tough,ive nearly learnt all the notes..theyr taking some drilling in!! (old age i expect)plus i can just about do it to slowest backing track...
this is tricky getting to full speed!
Just don't give up and please
ask if I can be of any assistance!
hi Muris,,would it be to much to ask for another inbetween backing track at about 110 bpm? dont worry if this is not possible....but its seems a big jump from 90 to 130,and my brains gonna explode...thanks
I wish I have project folder for this lesson,
it'd be easy to export another backing,
unfortunately I don't.
But if you use Reaper or some similar software you can easily
slow the backing down.
Let me know if you still have problems.
Thanks Muris,but i dont have any software to slow things down...BUT! i nearly got thru lesson today at full speed..hopefully not long now...my economy picking has improved...especially 2 note per string...that last run still gives me grief at full speed,,i blow it everytime..i hope to get a video camera sometime in the future,i would like to try and play it for you...thanks
I'm looking forward to see your take!!
I know that economy is very tricky if you're new to
this technique,just work hard and never look back,
result will be there.
well,im still struggling to get this at full speed!..but im not gonna give up....ive just started your advanced phrygian today aswell...loadsa work...cheers Muris you are so inspireing!
Just keep on working and ask if you need any help.
wow! just played that full speed for the first time,i think without any flaws....still hard tho,and takes concerntration..great lesson..thanks Muris....