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David Wallimann
Wow!
This guy is impressive!
Do you think it's real or sped up?

Youtube link
FretDancer69
I think this one is the fastest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGjDdfT8Ppg...feature=related


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Zephyr
It's fast but... it's pretty much the worst guitar playing I've ever heard (the fast part, I mean, the rest sounds alright.) biggrin.gif
Outlaw2112
heres some fast pickin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Wbb8r8PUs&NR=1
Iron King
well it sounded like crap but it was extremely fast...

that being said, everybody knows that the fastest guitarist alive is Skwisgaar Skwigelf
Juan M. Valero
Those guys are really fast guitar players, but it's not the most important. I prefer having a good vibrato than being able to play 60 notes per second tongue.gif
Of course it's important have a good technique but not spend all time in technique wink.gif Music is not gym
wrk
QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Feb 15 2008, 05:35 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


Beside the fact that he is trying to do a world record, i think his invention to fuel is labtop with liquor is much more impressive .. smile.gif
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Pavel
This "fastest" playing is all cool but can any of those guys play something that makes sense and sounds good? I doubt that...
visi0n
QUOTE (Juan M. Valero @ Feb 15 2008, 08:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those guys are really fast guitar players, but it's not the most important. I prefer having a good vibrato than being able to play 60 notes per second tongue.gif
Of course it's important have a good technique but not spend all time in technique wink.gif Music is not gym


Haha Juan, 60 notes per second .. that would be very very very fast...
OrganisedConfusion
QUOTE (visi0n @ Feb 15 2008, 09:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Haha Juan, 60 notes per second .. that would be very very very fast...

I'd be happy if I could manage 6 notes per second biggrin.gif
FretDancer69
QUOTE (Juan M. Valero @ Feb 15 2008, 01:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Those guys are really fast guitar players, but it's not the most important. I prefer having a good vibrato than being able to play 60 notes per second tongue.gif
Of course it's important have a good technique but not spend all time in technique wink.gif Music is not gym


Couldnt agree more man.
stratman33
QUOTE (Outlaw2112 @ Feb 14 2008, 11:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>



ya ive seen that before, pretty crazy blink.gif
The Uncreator
There becomes a point where something is fast to the point where all melody is lost and the notes blur, Michael Angelo Batio, Rusty Cooley, John Petrucci, Jason Becker, are some of the few people i know who have approached the 35-40 nps thing.

What makes these players so great is that they can not only maintain these speeds, but keep a melody going.
DeepRoots
i wonder if this one is sped up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28abpbNwZlU...feature=related


...... dry.gif

Im not sure if theres any point of that speed- tho john petrucci finds many uses for speed biggrin.gif

- he plays way cleaner to, you can hear every note...this just sound like a blur
botoxfox
QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Feb 15 2008, 10:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i wonder if this one is sped up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28abpbNwZlU...feature=related


...... dry.gif

Im not sure if theres any point of that speed- tho john petrucci finds many uses for speed biggrin.gif

- he plays way cleaner to, you can hear every note...this just sound like a blur

I can't believe I watched all of it. Sloppy as fook.
Owen
Hey guys, I stole the audio from the youtube video and slowed this guy down in reaper to about half the rate he was at, I had to notch it up a few semitones to get the audio to shine through.

I wouldnt say he was doing 60 nps, it all seems a bit random to me, no like super defined pattern, theres a bit of an idea and stronger sound on the high strings, he's really quite fast but I'd also say sloppy, but I'll let you all have a listen and make your own minds up.

MickeM
I trust the guy with the clock and the liquor just because he's got a clock... and liquor.
bsamn
QUOTE (MickeM @ Feb 15 2008, 11:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I trust the guy with the clock and the liquor just because he's got a clock... and liquor.

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fkalich

My first impression of him was "if I showed that to someone unfamiliar with shred, and said this guy was just making a joke video, he can't play guitar at all, I expect they would believe it".

I knew it was crap, I can tell easily, but just for kicks, I cleaned it up a bit (the hum) and slowed it down to 20% of his recorded speed.

I have two observations:

1) It is garbage, just listen. And yes, if you listen to someone really good like Gilbert or Batio slowed down, they still sound musical, clean. Even listen to Muris in his Gilbert 2 lesson, which is at 150bpm. Slowed down, you hear he is still precise with his note groups. This guy just is playing garbage, but it is like a V8 engine that has some screwed up cylinders. If you rev it fast enough, you can't hear the garbage distinctly anymore, it is going to fast.

2) Even then, if you listen, it does not sound very fast here. Now according to him it should be over 10 notes per second, which is like 150bpm 16th notes, which is pretty fast. But he sounds slow at 20%, much slower. Why? He is not hitting all those notes, just some of them, most he just passes over, only a fraction of them sound out.

What amazes me, is how anyone can be impressed with this. But I figure, the universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, and it is 15 billion years old, and heck, according to M theory there may be an infinite number of universes, so one has to figure in all that time and space, sentient beings can think quite a few things that I find hard to understand.

Saoirse O'Shea
+1 fkalich. Also as Warhol had it everyone now gets there 15 minutes. Everyone - regardless of ability, talent, effort rolleyes.gif .

'Come the day, come the hour
Come the power and the Glory...'

Sadly no longer - we all get our 15...

Cheers,
Tony
Saoirse O'Shea
+1 fkalich. Also as Warhol had it everyone now gets there 15 minutes. Everyone - regardless of ability, talent, effort rolleyes.gif .

'Come the day, come the hour
Come the power and the Glory...'

Sadly no longer - we all get our 15...

Cheers,
Tony
Saoirse O'Shea
+1 fkalich. Also as Warhol had it everyone now gets there 15 minutes. Everyone - regardless of ability, talent, effort rolleyes.gif .

'Come the day, come the hour
Come the power and the Glory...'

Sadly no longer - we all get our 15...

Cheers,
Tony
Owen
QUOTE (fkalich @ Feb 15 2008, 04:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
My first impression of him was "if I showed that to someone unfamiliar with shred, and said this guy was just making a joke video, he can't play guitar at all, I expect they would believe it".

I knew it was crap, I can tell easily, but just for kicks, I cleaned it up a bit (the hum) and slowed it down to 20% of his recorded speed.

I have two observations:

1) It is garbage, just listen. And yes, if you listen to someone really good like Gilbert or Batio slowed down, they still sound musical, clean. Even listen to Muris in his Gilbert 2 lesson, which is at 150bpm. Slowed down, you hear he is still precise with his note groups. This guy just is playing garbage, but it is like a V8 engine that has some screwed up cylinders. If you rev it fast enough, you can't hear the garbage distinctly anymore, it is going to fast.

2) Even then, if you listen, it does not sound very fast here. Now according to him it should be over 10 notes per second, which is like 150bpm 16th notes, which is pretty fast. But he sounds slow at 20%, much slower. Why? He is not hitting all those notes, just some of them, most he just passes over, only a fraction of them sound out.

What amazes me, is how anyone can be impressed with this. But I figure, the universe has hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with hundreds of billions of stars, and it is 15 billion years old, and heck, according to M theory there may be an infinite number of universes, so one has to figure in all that time and space, sentient beings can think quite a few things that I find hard to understand.


Totally agree. Theres thousands of these guys, complete joke. dry.gif

Congrats on the triple post Tony wink.gif tongue.gif
Saoirse O'Shea
- sorry guys. I'm on a laptop - my excuse for the triple. Either that or it was so good I had to say it 3 times Owen rolleyes.gif .
Muris Varajic
We had this before,many opinions I see. smile.gif
Muris Varajic
QUOTE (tonymiro @ Feb 16 2008, 01:31 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
- sorry guys. I'm on a laptop - my excuse for the triple. Either that or it was so good I had to say it 3 times Owen rolleyes.gif .


Triple Recto!! smile.gif
shellshock1911
Less jealousy please.

This guy is extremely fast and extremely clean. First of all, in the description it says "demostration." If you guys wanted to hear a melodic song why did you click on a thread that says "Fastest guitarist in the world?" It doesn't say "Melodic song," why? Because once again, this is just a mere demonstration. And speed doesn't define how good someone is but I think everyone can agree that it is a great tool to have and this guy has mastered it.

Just look at John Petrucci for example, he has made plenty of good solos and I don't think anyone can deny that. He also can play extremely fast. He uses speed as a tool to create good solos with. And listen to "Under a Glass Moon" solo. There is one part where the notes are pretty much a blur because they are like 25 notes per second, like you guys say he doesn't create note blurs. If you play fast enough, the notes will eat eachother, no matter how good you are.
Owen
QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Feb 15 2008, 04:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Less jealousy please.

This guy is extremely fast and extremely clean. First of all, in the description it says "demostration." If you guys wanted to hear a melodic song why did you click on a thread that says "Fastest guitarist in the world?" It doesn't say "Melodic song," why? Because once again, this is just a mere demonstration. And speed doesn't define how good someone is but I think everyone can agree that it is a great tool to have and this guy has mastered it.

Just look at John Petrucci for example, he has made plenty of good solos and I don't think anyone can deny that. He also can play extremely fast. He uses speed as a tool to create good solos with. And listen to "Under a Glass Moon" solo. There is one part where the notes are pretty much a blur because they are like 25 notes per second, like you guys say he doesn't create note blurs. If you play fast enough, the notes will eat eachother, no matter how good you are.


I dont think there was any jealousy, me and Fkalich were just doing the rational thing in slowing the sound down to see if he was hitting all the notes, even if there is a blend at high speeds, upon slowing down there should still be articulation of the notes, take a look at Fkalich's mp3 file, you can hardly say that each of every 10nps is being hit.

Melody has only been mentioned once in this thread, by Uncreator, no-one was completely outing his lack of melody because as you say that is not what this video is about. No, it was about speed, and I think we can fairly say, with conclusive evidence, that there is a lot of lost notes, this guy is no master, he is just sloppy.
Tjchep
Not trying to get flamed.. but.

Did you not hear the 20% slowed down version?

His hands are completely synced up but, at that speed the room for error is so small the no one can controll it, and he did not hit many notes.

Guitarman700
QUOTE (Owen @ Feb 15 2008, 07:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont think there was any jealousy, me and Fkalich were just doing the rational thing in slowing the sound down to see if he was hitting all the notes, even if there is a blend at high speeds, upon slowing down there should still be articulation of the notes, take a look at Fkalich's mp3 file, you can hardly say that each of every 10nps is being hit.

Melody has only been mentioned once in this thread, by Uncreator, no-one was completely outing his lack of melody because as you say that is not what this video is about. No, it was about speed, and I think we can fairly say, with conclusive evidence, that there is a lot of lost notes, this guy is no master, he is just sloppy.

exactly. Well said. Im really sick of all these "guitarists" on youtube who think that speed and technique are everything. if it doesn't have feeling, a soul, then theres no point. all your doing is playing a guitar really fast with no emotion. that video was the equivalent of taking a crap really fast. its fast, and its crap.
Muris Varajic
I can drive my car 200kmph...and probably hit the wall or a tree...guess I'm a speedy driver ohmy.gif

Really,I don't think that was fine "demonstration" of the speed,
pretty lot of "swallowed" notes,ok,that was damn fast so you can't control everything,
and that's why I say it was not the best way to demonstrate it,imho. smile.gif
Tjchep
Well.. What kinda car do you have man tongue.gif
Muris Varajic
QUOTE (Tjchep @ Feb 16 2008, 02:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Well.. What kinda car do you have man tongue.gif


That's not important,what's important is that I can,but result won't be that great biggrin.gif
Andrew Cockburn
QUOTE (fkalich @ Feb 15 2008, 07:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
according to M theory there may be an infinite number of universes, so one has to figure in all that time and space, sentient beings can think quite a few things that I find hard to understand.


Well, I have to hand it to anyone that can invoke M theory to explain why a messy player gets away with it ...

You, Bobo, and the night vision goggles certainly get my attention smile.gif

BTW, what is your position on the use of the Anthropomorphic principle as a justification of multiple possible universes allowed for by String Theory?
David Wallimann
QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Feb 14 2008, 11:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


That's HILARIOUS! :-)
shellshock1911
QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 16 2008, 01:51 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
exactly. Well said. Im really sick of all these "guitarists" on youtube who think that speed and technique are everything. if it doesn't have feeling, a soul, then theres no point. all your doing is playing a guitar really fast with no emotion. that video was the equivalent of taking a crap really fast. its fast, and its crap.


What you meant to say was, "The music doesn't strike emotions in me."

Sound waves don't have emotion. The sound waves interract with you to create the "emotions."

You, like many others probably have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is. It is much more than just sadness. If it doesn't make you feel sad, then that doesn't mean the artist isn't conveying his emotions. For example, Dragonforce is usually picked on as being having emotionless guitarists. However every song I hear by them is extremely uplifting. Happiness is an emotion too!!! When I watch an extremely fast guitar player shred, I feel intimidated. There we go, another emotion.

Anyway music is subjective, no one can say who plays with emotion and who doesn't, because everyone does. There is no way to measure it. That is right. Shredders play with just much emotion as any other guitar player like Jimi Hendrix or David Gilmour; just in a different way.

Once again, it is ALL subjective. It isn't as simple as:

Music you like= emotion.
Music you don't like= no emotion.

And technique is a huge part of guitar playing. Good luck getting your emotions across when your technique causes the music to sound like total crap. The emotion you will be conveying is frustration.

And speed, while not the most important part of music, is still a great tool to have in soloing.
FretDancer69
QUOTE (Wallimann @ Feb 15 2008, 08:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
That's HILARIOUS! :-)


i know, he's a real SWEEP MASTA tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
fkalich
QUOTE (Owen @ Feb 15 2008, 06:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I dont think there was any jealousy, me and Fkalich were just doing the rational thing in slowing the sound down to see if he was hitting all the notes, even if there is a blend at high speeds, upon slowing down there should still be articulation of the notes, take a look at Fkalich's mp3 file, you can hardly say that each of every 10nps is being hit.

Melody has only been mentioned once in this thread, by Uncreator, no-one was completely outing his lack of melody because as you say that is not what this video is about. No, it was about speed, and I think we can fairly say, with conclusive evidence, that there is a lot of lost notes, this guy is no master, he is just sloppy.


I definitely did not feel jealousy here. Maybe he was drunk. That would explain things.
mattacuk
QUOTE (Pavel @ Feb 15 2008, 09:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
This "fastest" playing is all cool but can any of those guys play something that makes sense and sounds good? I doubt that...


Good point !! I mean , its unlikely this guy is every going to be in a famou band ! smile.gif hes just gunna be some guy on youtube (like me wink.gif laugh.gif )
Muris Varajic
QUOTE (mattacuk @ Feb 16 2008, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good point !! I mean , its unlikely this guy is every going to be in a famou band ! smile.gif hes just gunna be some guy on youtube (like me wink.gif laugh.gif )


laugh.gif
Muris Varajic
QUOTE (FretDancer69 @ Feb 16 2008, 06:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
i know, he's a real SWEEP MASTA tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


I haven't seen sweeps there,only pure alternate machine gun. biggrin.gif
FretDancer69
QUOTE (Muris @ Feb 16 2008, 04:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I haven't seen sweeps there,only pure alternate machine gun. biggrin.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif Hmm that AP sounds like some sweeping arpeggios!! He's Out of this world!! laugh.gif
DeepRoots
Im jealous of the 10,000 note per second guy not the first guy posted-

sheesh its simple maths people...

10,000 = more than 60


Plus that was some killer hair rolleyes.gif
FretDancer69
QUOTE (DeepRoots @ Feb 16 2008, 09:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Im jealous of the 10,000 note per second guy not the first guy posted-

sheesh its simple maths people...

10,000 = more than 60


Plus that was some killer hair rolleyes.gif


yeah, he should do a Betcha Cant Play this video tongue.gif tongue.gif tongue.gif :lol laugh.gif laugh.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
Guitarman700
QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Feb 16 2008, 12:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
What you meant to say was, "The music doesn't strike emotions in me."

Sound waves don't have emotion. The sound waves interract with you to create the "emotions."

You, like many others probably have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is. It is much more than just sadness. If it doesn't make you feel sad, then that doesn't mean the artist isn't conveying his emotions. For example, Dragonforce is usually picked on as being having emotionless guitarists. However every song I hear by them is extremely uplifting. Happiness is an emotion too!!! When I watch an extremely fast guitar player shred, I feel intimidated. There we go, another emotion.

Anyway music is subjective, no one can say who plays with emotion and who doesn't, because everyone does. There is no way to measure it. That is right. Shredders play with just much emotion as any other guitar player like Jimi Hendrix or David Gilmour; just in a different way.

Once again, it is ALL subjective. It isn't as simple as:

Music you like= emotion.
Music you don't like= no emotion.

And technique is a huge part of guitar playing. Good luck getting your emotions across when your technique causes the music to sound like total crap. The emotion you will be conveying is frustration.

And speed, while not the most important part of music, is still a great tool to have in soloing.


Thank you so much for telling me what i was actually trying to say! keep saying stuff like that and someones going to knock you off your high horse one of these days. also im so glad you see fit to judge me by saying i "have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is". thats a very ignorant thing to say. i can see you probably only respect guitarists that can play really fast, which is too bad. your missing out on alot of good music. you fail to understand music, all you seem to understand is the theory behind it. if you want to be a soulless robot shredder, be my guest.

Muris Varajic
QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 19 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you so much for telling me what i was actually trying to say! keep saying stuff like that and someones going to knock you off your high horse one of these days. also im so glad you see fit to judge me by saying i "have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is". thats a very ignorant thing to say. i can see you probably only respect guitarists that can play really fast, which is too bad. your missing out on alot of good music.



I think we should slow it don't a bit,
this isn't topic for arguing I'm sure,
lets keep it friendly and available to hear everybody's opinion,ok. smile.gif
Pavel
QUOTE (mattacuk @ Feb 16 2008, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Good point !! I mean , its unlikely this guy is every going to be in a famou band ! smile.gif hes just gunna be some guy on youtube (like me wink.gif laugh.gif )


Isn't YouTube enough? If you look at it the other way around, YouTube is the biggest stage EVER laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

@Fkalich: i love your "garbage" word - i'm still on the floor laughing laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
shellshock1911
QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 19 2008, 06:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Thank you so much for telling me what i was actually trying to say! keep saying stuff like that and someones going to knock you off your high horse one of these days. also im so glad you see fit to judge me by saying i "have an extremely narrow vision of what "emotion" is". thats a very ignorant thing to say. i can see you probably only respect guitarists that can play really fast, which is too bad. your missing out on alot of good music. you fail to understand music, all you seem to understand is the theory behind it. if you want to be a soulless robot shredder, be my guest.


I was just telling you that no one person can judge if music has emotion or not. It is all up for debate. However, technical skill is not up for debate. And yes I respect people who dedicated thousands of hours out of their time to play fast and clean? You don't have to enjoy it, but do you not respect them at least? Anyone who has more experience on guitar than me I respect. And I listen to pretty much every genre of music from classical to shredding to metal to jazz to whatever, so I'm not really missing out on anything at all, in fact I own albums from all three of the artists in your signature. I understand music very well. It is about me enjoying sounds. Sometimes I enjoy fast sounds, if you don't enjoy the same type, that is ok, because once again music is 100% subjective, but I enjoy it. And once again, speed is a great tool to use in soloing and doesn't not automatically discard emotion and make one "souless" like you seem to claim.
Guitarman700
QUOTE (shellshock1911 @ Feb 19 2008, 10:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was just telling you that no one person can judge if music has emotion or not. It is all up for debate. However, technical skill is not up for debate. And yes I respect people who dedicated thousands of hours out of their time to play fast and clean? You don't have to enjoy it, but do you not respect them at least? Anyone who has more experience on guitar than me I respect. And I listen to pretty much every genre of music from classical to shredding to metal to jazz to whatever, so I'm not really missing out on anything at all, in fact I own albums from all three of the artists in your signature. I understand music very well. It is about me enjoying sounds. Sometimes I enjoy fast sounds, if you don't enjoy the same type, that is ok, because once again music is 100% subjective, but I enjoy it. And once again, speed is a great tool to use in soloing and doesn't not automatically discard emotion and make one "souless" like you seem to claim.

i NEVER claimed speed made ones playing soulless, secondly im done wasting my breath on you, you just dont understand what im saying.
Pavel
QUOTE (Guitarman700 @ Feb 20 2008, 04:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
secondly im done wasting my breath on you


That was smooth...and not to mention polite...

Ok, guys, take it easy and slow down. Blues players will never understand shredders as to them emotional playing is just 1 huge bend lasting for 45.5 minutes - at least that's the picture you painted in my mind.

If you don't like shredders than don't fight it - just skip the topic or at least state your opinion without making it into a fight.

Shake your hands and stop fighting smile.gif
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