The Murder Of Music, Think Before You Act |
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The Murder Of Music, Think Before You Act |
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Dec 22 2009, 10:45 PM
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Anything worth while, like playing guitar for instance, may take some time. It appears to me, trying to appeal to the conscience of each and every potential buyer in the entire world not to accept illegal downloads at a discount or even for free warrants a much bigger challenge than what I suggested. Like the death of music. If you eliminate the bootlegger, the drinker has no place to go other than to a legitimate source. But unlike bootlegging or drug dealing, everything indexed on the internet is stored as data and traceable - you can run but you can't hide. Take a few down and that fear may create a domino effect. There is strength in numbers, hence, the musicians union I mentioned earlier. How many pirate sites can you find in one day? These are only suggestions. I read an article where a music company is attempting to sue all the people (tens of thousands) who downloaded music from a confiscated pirate site. Unfortunately, I did not bookmark that article and can't find it now. Point being, even those individuals who downloaded the music can be traced (via IP). There is also an IP Look-up database: http://ip-lookup.net But, this one usually only yields the users internet provider, through whom you might then obtain more information on the individual by lawful means. Anyway, when the going gets tough... Thanks for responding. I definitely see where you are coming from and agree with it. I just meant that for ONE person like Emir to do this might not work. A large corporation would have the means and manpower to do that much more easily than just one person. It's sad that people think it's OK to steal.....even if they don't think that is what they are doing....... |
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Dec 22 2009, 11:04 PM
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ALL THIS TALK ABOUT stealing or buying music and i can't even give it away
https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=32726 This post has been edited by jstcrsn: Dec 22 2009, 11:08 PM |
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Dec 22 2009, 11:50 PM |
I definitely see where you are coming from and agree with it. I just meant that for ONE person like Emir to do this might not work. A large corporation would have the means and manpower to do that much more easily than just one person. It's sad that people think it's OK to steal.....even if they don't think that is what they are doing....... Yea, for Emir the task might prove a bit tedious - and I agree it is sad. On the other hand, who better than Emir (or his former label) to know which stores or web-sites do have the right to sell his album? If I had a list of them, then I would know that any other store or web-site attempting to sell or distribute his album must be pirating. But, it's Emir and/ or his label that must take any necessary lawful action. A union type label of some sort should be used on all legitimate selling albums, electronic (embedded in the coding) or otherwise visible along with traceable bar-codes on CDs, or something. As I understand, Emir Hot has lost a-lot of money during his career due to pirating. Anyhow, good observation. Hang loose, man. ALL THIS TALK ABOUT stealing or buying music and i can't even give it away https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/guitar_fo...showtopic=32726 Hey, it looks like you have gotten 38 downloads on this site alone in the last 2 DAYS - not bad for being relatively outdated and unknown. Maybe you guys should get together and try again. Imagine what it might do on 10,000 websites if you created something new and became relatively better known. Just an observation. Gotta go now - catch everyone later. Ps. |
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Dec 23 2009, 03:53 AM |
This is the copy from Lion Music website about signing new artists. I hope this explains enough:
Dear Musicians, We are NOT able to sign more artists. No demos or masters you send us will be considered for release. We will NOT listen to any mp3 files or check out your websites and we will NOT respond to questions regarding releasing your album. The illegal file sharing on the net is killing independent music. We are sorry about this situation but we are sure you are aware of what is going on. Our demo policy will not change before our politicians have stopped the P2P sites. Illegal file sharing is not just about stealing from rich major companies. It is about killing independent music and making it impossible for many great musicians to have a chance to release albums and have a musical career even as a part time job. Some people seem to think that file sharing does not affect record sales but these people don't know what they are talking about. All musical genres and all kinds of artists are suffering and so will the genuine music fans in the end when the music they love will no longer be available in any guise - free or not. Next time you consider downloading an album for free or adding new torrents please think of the impact you are having on the artists - would you like it if we came into your home and stole your pay check? To give you some facts and figures on how this is affecting just some of Lion Music releases please view below - stats taken from just 1 non leading bit torrent site (we are not going to give free advertising to which site it is): * Angel Of Eden - The End Of Never : 9276 illegal downloads and rising! Sphere Of Souls - From The Ashes : 6445 illegal downloads and rising! Sun Caged - Sun Caged : 6383 illegal downloads and rising! Seventh Wonder - Mercy Falls : 6160 illegal downloads and rising! Twinspirits - The Music That Will Heal The World: 5059 illegal downloads and rising! Seventh Wonder - Waiting In The Wings : 4942 illegal downloads and rising! * Sun Caged - Artemisia: 4920 illegal downloads and rising! Seventh Wonder - Become : 2757 illegal downloads and rising! Satyrian - Eternitas : 2688 illegal downloads and rising! Marco Sfogli - There's Hope : 2653 illegal downloads and rising! * Tears Of Anger - In The Shadows : 2504 illegal downloads and rising! * Section A - Parallel Lives : 1926 illegal downloads and rising! Venturia - Hybrid : 1800 illegal downloads and rising Joe Stump - Virtuostic Vendetta : 1621 illegal downloads and rising! * Tomorrow's Eve - Mirror Of Creation II The Genesis : 1545 illegal downloads and rising! Astra - From Within : 1400 illegal downloads and rising! * Mind's Eye - Walking on H20 : 1345 illegal downloads and rising! * Vitalij Kuprij - Glacial Inferno - 1339 illegal downloads and rising Someone said that we should trace IP addresses of websites that are sharing download links. There are thousands of them, that's just not possible. Just type "Emir Hot" in Google. 70% of the search results are torrent sites Not to mention some better known musicians. I am actually nobody comparing to other good metal bands. I didn't expect that this topic will have most of "Emir Hot" examples even though I am very affected with this subject. This was about Borislav Mitic who made a statement on Lion Music website and I wanted to hear oppinions on that story. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Dec 23 2009, 09:41 AM |
Hmm, it's really some sad figures - but it doesn't tell if the people who downloaded the music ever listened to it or liked it. Neither i'ts not comparable with anything, eg. how many copies had been made CD to CD or CD to tape if the internet wasn't around? Violating the copyright has always been a problem, with the tapes there was a special tax on them from the beginning what I can remember. Maybe that's the way to go - in Sweden we pay a license for the TV, so why not for the internet? But then we would be violating the free speech....
We had a trial here against one citizen who illegaly spread music/movies on P2P-sites and he was sentenced to some 100.000 € in fines, but it turned out as a joke since he was supposed to ask for a new trial and the record/movie companys then paid all his fines if he didn't..... So there wasn't that much fuzz about it. I don't think there is much to do in legal terms to stop pirating - via the internet, by copying or whatever. The record companys/artists must simply find new ways to distribute the music to the audience and get paid. Like the mobile market works for instance, if You sign up for a 12-month period with a mobile operator - You get three months of free music. The phone company then pays the rights owners and everyone is happy. Get the point? Selling CD's is a market that will be gone in the future in my belief, and music will be more like other products like food, clothes etc. Also I think it's the record company's responsebility to take care of that the artists will get paid - in contrast to what they do now, they just sitting there and wining over all the money THEY looses instead of acting and doing something creative. Just my thoughts.... //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Jan 9 2010, 03:32 PM |
A band making another statement
Homepage: http://www.rednexmusic.com/ Official release page: http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5263628/Re...-_2010_-_TPB003 -------------------- Schecter C1 Hellraiser EMG 81/85, replaced with JB/Jazz (SH4/SH2n) w. coilsplit Schecter Revenger HB-105, replaced with EMG 81/85 Stratocaster Deluxe Players Noiseless Ibanez 2550z Blackstar HT5H, Blackheart BH5H w. BH112, Laney LX35D, Line6 Pod XT, Marshall MS-2 Headphones: Sennheiser RS120 Stay tuned... |
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Jan 9 2010, 04:18 PM |
Well good luck to them They have made their money so now they can obviously release one single and a video for free
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Jan 9 2010, 05:22 PM |
Sorry are you asking me to answer these? I have statistics and the numbers are not really promissing so I won't list it here. The numbers are surely 80% accurate and that's enough to nearly see the real situation. Maybe partnering with Pirate Bay can help, like Rednex did
I never said "the internet and downloadig is the death of music ........." even though I could mostly agree to that. This thread is for sharing oppinions on Borislav Mitic's statement about "The Murder of Music" which can be found here. -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Jan 9 2010, 05:53 PM
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Hi!
Thanks for the answer. Sorry for "the internet and downloadig is the death of music", that was my fault |
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Feb 12 2010, 07:26 PM |
More on the subject (irony: via jack conte's twitter) here:
http://techdirt.com/articles/20100208/0300578077.shtml -------------------- ::jafomatic
http://jafomatic.net/tunes/ <-- Here lies the master collection of my collaboration and other improvisation recordings. |
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Feb 12 2010, 07:55 PM |
More on the subject (irony: via jack conte's twitter) here: http://techdirt.com/articles/20100208/0300578077.shtml +1. This is mostly how I feel. I find it a bit interesting that we have such absolutely polarized opinions on this subject, which to me suggests there is some confusion out there. Thats understandable, considering how much of a change the music industry is going through. But I do believe things are changing for the better, it will take adaption, experimentation with new ideas and strategies of marketing and a fresh new perspective. -------------------- Gear: Fender American Deluxe Stratocaster, Gibson '67 RI Flying V, Mesa Boogie F-30 112 combo, crazy pedals.
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Feb 12 2010, 08:48 PM |
+1 from me as well. He says exactly what I mean here:
"As far as I can tell, Harden's real complaint isn't that rock 'n' roll is dying, but that a major label won't just turn him into a rockstar. Instead, he might have to actually do some work to build up a fan base, and that's icky: " "The fact that more musicians are making music today and being able to release it and make a living from it than ever before suggests that things are actually looking much better, and we're far from "the death of rock 'n' roll," but reaching an incredible age of creativity, where people who had no chance at all before are now able to make music and make a living." As I said before, generally speaking the trend is: the labels is out - the musicians themselves are in, the key to success is now in Your own hands! //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Feb 12 2010, 09:25 PM |
As I said before, generally speaking the trend is: the labels is out - the musicians themselves are in, the key to success is now in Your own hands! This is what I've been failing to communicate as well. Laboring extra hard under the assumption that the "old way" is the only way is what keeps rigid-thinking artists and labels in the dark about the possibilities exist today. -------------------- ::jafomatic
http://jafomatic.net/tunes/ <-- Here lies the master collection of my collaboration and other improvisation recordings. |
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Feb 12 2010, 10:30 PM |
Agree JVM, what I'm seeing here is that the "cheating" the big labels have done in the past 30 years or so, is going down the drain - since if You wanna be successful under the new circumstances You MUST know how to perform and deliver something that is audible - eg. there will be no more Samantha Fox's and good looking boy's band put together from the labels in order to gain easy money.
The same goes for the internet marketing - if You dont sound good, playing stuff that people like - You're out. Hard but true. But in general the music itself will benefit from this, since its gonna leave all amateurs/plastic artists without work. //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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