Modes 101, Part 2 - The Theory |
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Modes 101, Part 2 - The Theory |
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Jul 30 2008, 07:03 PM |
Thanks lot man this way of thinking about how to generate the modes really helps me...Modes are really fascinating when you finally got the hang of it...suddenly the same tones of a c major scale you have been using for ages have an Irish feeling just because you play them in a different context with different progessions namely D-Dorian . Amazing... Anytime, man! If you want more help, add me on msn: [email protected] |
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Jul 30 2008, 07:08 PM |
Anytime, man! If you want more help, add me on msn: [email protected] I have no MSN, unfortunately..I have ICQ and skype and a 3rd messenger would be overdone I've added you here at GMC though ! This post has been edited by Nighthawk: Jul 30 2008, 07:11 PM |
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Jul 30 2008, 07:28 PM |
I have no MSN, unfortunately..I have ICQ and skype and a 3rd messenger would be overdone I've added you here at GMC though ! Regarding the original question ... Well, you could just know that D is the 5th degree of the G major scale, or you could work backwards using the major formula as follows: Formula is: 2 2 1 2 2 2 1 we know: _2_2_1_2_2_2_1 ? ? ? ? D So, to get the root we work backwards from the D and subtract 2 semitones, then 1, then 2, and 2. That gives us: D C B A G Hence it is G major Now, I thought the same way as you about this when I first learnt about modes, but as DR has said, its not really an important point - its far more useful to learn the fingering for D mixolydian than to try and work out that it is a mode of G major - that piece of information is certainly useful but doesn't immediately help you play it. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 30 2008, 07:40 PM |
I said degree of major just to illustrate, and make it less alien. Many mistake it and think it's a whole different scale to learn, but in fact you're just starting on another pattern. Agreedz0r Andrew? Edit: And I don't really get your meaning of this, because if you know the fingering of major (the 7 boxes) you also know the fingering of all the modes... Don't mistake boxes for modes - rather think of it as a freakish coincidence that they are the same, so you keep the concepts separate ... The best way to think of it IS as a different scale, but one that is related to the major scale, as a result of which, the boxes are reused. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 30 2008, 07:42 PM |
rather think of it as a freakish coincidence that they are the same Best damn freakish coincidence of all time? You got that right |
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Jul 30 2008, 07:49 PM |
Best damn freakish coincidence of all time? You got that right Of course it isn't a coincidence in reality but it is such a source of confusion that I try and separate the concepts So I would summarize as follows: (I know you know this DR) Modes are different scales Modes are generated by stepping through the notes of the major scale and changing the root note Boxes are not different scales Boxes are generated by stepping through the notes of the major scale and not changing the root note As a result of the above: Modes can be played on the guitar neck by combining the 2 concepts and moving through the patterns of the major scale and changing the root note. -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 30 2008, 08:35 PM |
By changing the rootnotes you will get another scale, but comparing it to patterns you already know makes it easy, and also a practically correct way to execute it. Absolutely true as long as you understand the difference, and a good tip for learning modal boxes quickly! -------------------- Check out my Instructor profile
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Jul 30 2008, 08:42 PM |
Absolutely true as long as you understand the difference, and a good tip for learning modal boxes quickly! |
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