Gear Configuration Issue, Using a ditto looper in fx loop how do you NOT record it. |
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Gear Configuration Issue, Using a ditto looper in fx loop how do you NOT record it. |
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Feb 6 2015, 05:01 PM |
Hi Jim, I'm not sure I fully understand your question could you please send more details?
What kind of looper pedal are you using and what exactly would you like your signal path to look like? Guitar>Amp>FX out on amp>Looper pedal>audio recording interface? If you are looking for above signal path and not having the looper pedal track go back to amp, maybe you'd like to use a spliter or A/B box kind of unit? This way you could go : Guitar>splitter>1 output to amp, 2 output to looper pedal Looper pedal>recording interface Guitar amp>mic>recording interface Was this what you were looking for? As I don't have practical experience with using A/B boxes or splitter, I'd like to ask if someone can confirm this kind of setup doable and provide more details? -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Feb 6 2015, 11:45 PM |
Thanks for the schematic Jim, I think I understand what you are aiming for.
Just one question, why do you need guitar signal to go through amp before sending it to the looper pedal? Are there any effects on the amp itself that you'd like to capture. I think what you have drawn in the 2nd picture should technically work, but it is a bit of unusual setup. Has anyone got any comments, will it work "technically" for real? -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Feb 7 2015, 12:54 AM |
Good question. If you take the guitar signal before any effects then you run into this scenario. Say you play a clean rhythm guitar and you want to loop it and then play high gain lead over this is what happens. The clean electric guitar that you record will be sent through the gain stage just like your lead. Or Your clean guitar signal won't have any processing. I think. Coming out of effects loop means any type of effect you'd like to have when looping is available. Thanks for explanation, you are touching upon very interesting looper pedal usage. Looper pedal is usually used with the same tone on the amp itself and your setup can really bring some cool stuff in the mix. I have asked you if you are running a modeling amp with effects on it as you could alternatively put delay/wah/any other pedal in front of the amp. That way you could have : guitar>pedals>looper>amp path. Looper recording clean guitar signal with the effect applied. Yon don't necessarily need to use effect pedals in the amps effects loop. This effects loop gives you the addition of amps preamp section on your signal though. I'm thinking if you can maybe achieve a better result with easier setup but this is indeed complicated. For example : Guitar goes straight to the amp Amp is miced and it goes to input 1 on your recording audio interface Requirement 1 You want to be able to play with looper in this live setup and be able to record on separate tracks looper signal and amp signal on their own? Possible signal path Ouput 1 (with signal from your amp) of your audio recording device> looper pedal input Looper pedal output>input 2 on your audio recording device Ouput 2 (with signal from your looper) of your audio recording device>keyboards amp so that you can hear the looper live in the room You need to in the internal mixer of the audio recording device setup to send input 1 to output 1 and input 2 to output 2 as mono channels using included mixer or signal routing. In case of recording, you setup 2 audio tracks and capture input 1 and input 2 simultaneously. Would this work? -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Feb 9 2015, 09:38 PM |
Here's is my setup, it's a long video but the first 2 min show the equipment. Ah Bogdan I think your on to something. I think your setup may just work. There's one thing though, I have 8 track firewire processor and in this configuration I have channel 5 as the dry guitar signal before any effects. Ch 5 out to Bbe sonic maximizer to amp. From there the Cab mic and Line out from amp make a stereo channel from 3 and 4. The goal in that was to compare software vs live setup and possibly mix both of those together. Experiment dear Watson! After thinking about your setup I started thinking about sending guitar fx from amp into Amplitube and add some chorus or any other affect I desire. Kind of verging on the territory of having the best of both worlds. So in one take I could record the looped track, stereo track with mic and a direct line from amp, the dry gtr signal and one track from my fx loop to add chorus ext... From Amplitube. Haha happy days! Hehehe this is a very adventurous setup! It is very good that you are experimenting with this stuff as I feel you are trying to maximise your gear potential and practically which are all great benefits. If you have 8 inputs/8 outputs audio recording interface, depending on the flexibility of internal routing (patches) software, you could get some interesting stuff going on. As long as you have enough cables that is Using effects from Amplitube with real amp would certainly be very interesting. I'm not sure I've heard anyone having them in the effects loop of the amp and my first thoughts would be - how good (realistic) do they sound in that kind of setup? Please keep experimenting, I think you are on to something here. -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Feb 20 2015, 01:24 AM |
Hi Jim, I must say that I'm not sure if it is doable to have looping option for both organ and guitar.
In order to have the best possible sound I would probabbly simply the setup. Here is one option which might in theory accommodate the the setup you wanted: 1. Connect Organ to the keyboards amp and having amp miced go to input 1 in the recording interface 2. Connect guitar to Digitech GNX and from there to the guitar amp. Amp miced to input 2 in the recording interface 3. Mix down input 1 and 2 and send it out via output 1 on the recording interface and connect it to input on the looper pedal 4. Connect output of the looper to input 3 on the recording interface 5. Route input 3 to output 2 on the recording interface and connect it to PA system if you have it? _________________ But since you are struggling with volume I would just simplify it to a more standard setup (make sure your amps are powerful enough to compete with drums): 1. Guitar>looper pedal>amp (you can put looper in front of the amp or in the effects loop section) 2. Digitech device in the amps effects loop section for using effects like delay etc (with turned off amp/cab modelling). You can also consider having digitech in front of the amp with or without looper pedal there (alternatively looper is in the effects loop) 3. Organ connected to keyboards amp 4. Computer recording keyboards amp via mic 1 and guitar amp via mic 2 on separate channels 5. Record room with the condenser mic (or vocals) -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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Feb 20 2015, 08:47 PM |
Well I will surely be testing some some combinations and I think your right about getting the levels correct first before adding microphones and loopers. I like the idea of micing the keyboard amp as it will have the looped guitar and could have the organ through it. Either way it's quite the circuit. While I am experimenting with connections I was wondering if I could take 2 guitar cables and make a Y? One cable into 2? Is that an acceptable if done right? Would that split the signal in half and only half goes to each? That is a good question about splitting a cable. I wondered once about it in the past, wonder if anyone has experience doing that? I know there are ABY pedal boxes which allow you to do the same, something like: Morley ABY Channel Switcher -------------------- For GMC support please email support (at) guitarmasterclass.net
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