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Apr 12 2009, 03:06 AM |
That dez guy must be pretty naive if he really believes DRM can prevent music from ending up on the internet. And I mean "all artists should sue itunes and ipod", what the ... He seems to believe that technology is some kind of magic.
Anyway I pretty much agree with John Campbell. But he doesn't answer the one important questions, how are musicians supposed to make money in this brave new world. Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
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Apr 12 2009, 07:37 PM |
touring That would mean that concerts are going to cost more. I'm not sure if this would result in less people going to the concerts, which would nullify the benefit. But yes, I guess it's shifting from concerts to promote albums to albums to promote concerts. I'm just not sure if it's possible to make a reasonable amount of money from just playing concerts.merch songwriting royalties Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
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Apr 13 2009, 02:39 AM |
If the band says its ok to download their music then what reason is there not to? If they release it under a proper license I think there would be nothing wrong with it. And honestly if they would tell me to order a t-shirt instead of a cd, I'd probably do this. I've got too many tshirts anyway And about concert prices, it depends. Concerts of big bands have gone up. Metallica, or AC/DC have crazy prices but the smaller concerts are still very cheap. And honestly? I don't care about guys who already made millions. What I care about is the small to medium bands. I love small concerts! I mean when a concert costs less than watching a movie at the cinema the artists, and organizer can't make all that much money. Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
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Apr 13 2009, 08:00 PM |
God, I have not been online for some days and suddenly this discussion exploded... I can't answer everything now, I only had the time to read the last 4 or 5 pages once and not everything that was said stuck to my mind, so there will be another longer answer later, but let me comment on some random things that were said right now:
When I go to a concert I don't care about how big or small the band is, I care about the music. I can enjoy big arena shows as much as small club gigs as long as the band is good. Why should a big band be not as good as a small one??? Somebody complained about the fact that cd's are more expensive than vinyl. True, a cd is more expensive, but did you realise that a cd is also almost twice as long? A vinyl album was limited to around 36 minutes of music, most of todays cd's are at least 60 minutes, if not for 74 minutes, so for the price of one cd you get as much music as for two vinyl albums. Considering this, is a cd really that expensive? Somebody suggested that Emir should change the style of his music to maybe sell more albums... sorry, this is complete nonsense! Emir loves the songs that he wrote, this is the stuff he wanted to play, this is the stuff he wanted to record, why the hell should he do something completely different and record a Brintey Spears album for example???? Copying music, just as downloading IS taking away something from the musician/band, period! If you download my album illegally I don't get paid for my job (yes, I love playing music, but aside from this my music is also what is paying my rent or my food, it is a job, not only a passion), so I lose money. If your friend bought my music and you copy his cd so you get it for free it is exactly the same thing, you don't pay my work, I lose money. A lot of people do not consider downloading something as a big thing because they hide at home behind their monitors, they feel safe there, but sorry, it is illegal, and it might not exaclty be stealing, but it is not any better. About checking out an album before buying it, no problem with that, I do this too, but do you really need more than one minute samples to find out if you like an album? After all you normally get one minute samples of every single song, for me this is definitely enough to get an impression about the album. Somebody said that musicians should look for alternate ways of making money... well, yes, we have too, but isn't this ridiculous? If being a musician is my job, should I really have to look for a side job to make a living? Does a baker have to look for other ways of making money or should he focus on baking good bread? Somebody said that bands make enough money with touring and shirts... well, shirts have to be produced too, you need to pay somebody to paint the design/album cover or whatever you want to be on your shirt, you have to pay somebody to print the shirt, you have to buy the shirt itself, you have to transport the shirts to every gig and in the end the venue comes and demands 30% of your merch money or you are not allowed to sell anything at the concert... does this sound like big money to you? And a band on tour has some expenses... PA, light, trucking, nightliners, plane tickets, crew, production, backline.... do you guys have any idea how much an average show costs? ( and I am talking about the expenses that that band has to pay to make the show happen, not about the concert ticket) Well, as I said, those are just some random comments, some more will follow during the next days. -------------------- Guitars: various Gibson Les Pauls / Gibson J 45
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Apr 13 2009, 09:01 PM |
When I go to a concert I don't care about how big or small the band is, I care about the music. I can enjoy big arena shows as much as small club gigs as long as the band is good. Why should a big band be not as good as a small one??? If it was just about the music I could just stay at home or go to some sort of disco. For me concerts are about the atmosphere. And yes the atmosphere at a concert is quite different if you know at least half of the people in the little hall or club. And you'll probably disagree with me on this one, but I think less known bands tend to be far more passionate about their shows than super stars which are on tour since half a year.Somebody suggested that Emir should change the style of his music to maybe sell more albums... sorry, this is complete nonsense! Emir loves the songs that he wrote, this is the stuff he wanted to play, this is the stuff he wanted to record, why the hell should he do something completely different and record a Brintey Spears album for example???? To make money. Not everybody can have his hobby as job. Other professions are exactly in the same situation. Do you think I enjoy writing every piece of software I do as part of my job? Nope. My job is to create the software the customer wants. If I want to do what I just feel like I have to do it in my spare time.Somebody said that musicians should look for alternate ways of making money... well, yes, we have too, but isn't this ridiculous? If being a musician is my job, should I really have to look for a side job to make a living? Does a baker have to look for other ways of making money or should he focus on baking good bread? If you are referring to me, I'm thinking about other ways to make money from creating music. But if you can't make a living from doing what you love to do then you'll have to do other things to earn money. Is this ridiculous?- Jonas PS: If this sounds a little bit harsh to you, it wasn't meant to. -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
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Apr 13 2009, 10:07 PM
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To me this seems so simple......Illegal Download=Stealing.....PERIOD!!
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Apr 14 2009, 01:35 AM |
To me this seems so simple......Illegal Download=Stealing.....PERIOD!! I, for example, live in a country where downloading copyrighted material is legal, only uploading/publishing it is not. But I think thats not the important point here. I think the interesting point is how can artists make a living in a world where filesharing is a reality.Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
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Apr 14 2009, 01:36 PM |
Do you think its dishonest to take music you didnt pay for? I think people should accept the authors interests and their decisions. To some extent. I think it is ok to play music while friends are over without getting a license and I believe that private copies are ok. I think its ok to create a cover of a song for non commercial purposes. As singing Happy Birthday to you in the public should be. I'm not sure if copyright itself is a good idea. By "a good idea" I mean of if provides more benefits than harm for an entire society , not just for the artists. Because that's the point behind it (it was invented as a tool for censorship but anyway). But right now we live in a world that's quite dependent on it so copyright is a reality just like file sharing is. Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
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Apr 14 2009, 02:00 PM |
Do you think its dishonest to take music you didnt pay for? My answer is it depends. If the artist released it under a CC license, then it's obviously not. If it's against the authors will through public filesharing, then yes. But even there I see exceptions. There are cd's where theres simply no (reasonable) way to purchase, mostly older ones anyway. And yes I would download those from the internet without any feeling of shame or dishonesty.Jonas -------------------- My Website | My Gear | Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review | Installing Schaller Security Locks
"If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann |
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Apr 14 2009, 04:34 PM |
I don't think that a big band is less passionate by default than a small one, it all depends on the band. I have seen Kiss in front of 30000 people for example and they just rocked the place to the ground, while I have seen small bands in small clubs that were boring me to death. But this is a matter of personal taste I guess, there is nothing wrong in prefering clubs over arenas or vice versa, in my case I just like both.
About this money making thing, sure, if I play in a band and my albums just don't sell because nobody cares about my music, then I will have to look for a different way of making a living, the fact that I would like to be a successful musician of course doesn't make me successful by default. But here we are talking about a slightly different scenario, we are talking about musicians that have a (more or less) big following, just that the following doesn't pay for the music cause it can be downloaded for free on whatever filesharing sites. This is just wrong! And it is the same about Emir, he recorded a great album and if everybody that "has" the album would have paid for it he would have made some money. Now you suggest he should change his music to maybe sell more next time? Why should he change, he didn't do anything wrong, he did his job very well, just his "customers" didn't do their "job" at all, they prefered to download the album instead of paying for it. About the legal situation, this is slightly different from country to country. here in Germany a privat copy is legal too, as long as you don't work around any copy protection. As soon as something is copy protected a privat copy is illegal. And downloading is not really illegal here either, just the uploading, but there is no filesharing system that lets you only download without offering the file for uploads too. -------------------- Guitars: various Gibson Les Pauls / Gibson J 45
Amps: Mesa Boogie Tripple Rectifier / Triaxis / 2:90 Poweramp / Rectocabs Effects: Rocktron Intellifex / Rocktron Xpression Homepage: www.marcussiepen.com www.blind-guardian.com Check out my video lessons! |
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