Okay say we started off as small microbes and evolved from monkeys (some humans are said to act like monkeys but thats all that fact proves), why some microbes have XY and others have XX chromosome, male and female? Why can't we interspecies with animals (without playing god and messing it up ownselves)?



Believe me I have looked at both side fairly before making any selection and my personality I analyze and question everything I don't understand. Even as I play my guitar I will come up with a thousand questions about it. I also ignore facts and myths which don't make sense, until I work it out all the small pieces to something which makes sense to me.

God is hovering over us ready to strike us down with lightning - Well that's based off Myth and it's not even the god I believe in, it's Zeus. This is something people make up in books and fairy tales and mix into religion. You are right to be questioning the following of something like that. That's however is not what I believe God to be.



The water is necessary for the survival of the animals and plants. Most of the water runs off the land and back into the ocean. This water also carries the significant amounts of land materials into the ocean. After billions of years, all the land ends up in the ocean and earth becomes a waterworld. The problem is that the earth has not become a waterworld. Why is that? (I love the movie Waterworld by the way)

The missing factor that prevents the earth from becoming a waterworld are the two processes that actually build land masses. These geologic processes are tectonic activity (which cause earthquakes) and volcanism. Both of these processes are intertwined, since volcanism results from the great continental plates colliding with each other. So, without plate tectonics and the accompanying earthquakes, there would be no land masses on planet earth, since all the land would eventually end up in the ocean.

This process is described in the Bible, which claims in several passages that God created the earth completely covered by water before the land was formed (pretty good "guess" by a bunch of unscientific people!). The Bible describes how God caused the mountains to rise and form the dry land. So, without tectonic activity and earthquakes, the earth would have begun as a waterworld and would still be a waterworld at this point.

It also has been found out from science, the land was one big chuck to start out with. Broken down into different lands. The Bible has even explained that. Most people tend to be so racist and hate the other countries (or not understand), yet religion suggests we are all from the same blood line, therefore one of the same, all created equal. The colour of skin doesn't matter. Is that so bad to believe?

God's purpose for the creation of the earth was to provide a place for human beings to live. Without land, human beings would never be possible. Religion explains why humans are more intellient over animals, etc.

The "natural evil" described by atheists actually represents the design of an intelligent Creator. Without earthquakes and volcanoes, there would be no land masses on planet earth, and human life would be impossible. Atheists have missed some pretty fundamental principles from earth sciences in condemning God for allowing earthquakes. God's creation of "natural evil" is actually necessary design.


Atheists often claim that the presence of evil is an argument against the existence of God. The Christian God is supposed to be both loving and all-powerful. Despite these characteristics, God seems to be unable or unwilling to prevent the vast amount of evil and suffering in the world. The atheist concludes that either God is not loving or not all-powerful or that God does not exist, because if He did exist, He could stop all the suffering.

In fact, the Bible indicates that God is love. The Bible also indicates that God is perfect.

However, God Himself stated that part of the original creation was "not good." The Bible states that the current universe is not perfect, but was designed to be temporary and will be replaced with a perfect universe that will be permanent. Science also tells us that the universe was designed to be temporary.

Why would God create an imperfect, temporary universe only to replace it later with a perfect one? Why wouldn't God have created a perfect universe in the first place? (why aren't we all just in heaven?)

God's purposes in creating the universe go beyond merely creating free will beings that love Him in this temporary universe. (remember God is love)

The Bible says that God allows temporary, bounded evil in order to allow free will beings to have the ability to love and to make choices.

The atheist also makes the assumption that all pain, suffering, and death are bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive. For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.

Many things that people consider to be bad are, in fact, useful in our spiritual growth. The Bible says that trials in our lives produce perseverance, which helps make us mature and complete.

All people will suffer at least somewhat because of bad choices that others make. In addition, because of the temporary nature of the universe, some bad things will happen to us due to "bad luck" or chance. However, these things will teach us to be more sensitive to the needs of others, and will prepare us to show love to others when they suffer through similar things. God want us to learn from this life.

Yes, God could have eliminated all evil in the design of His universe. However, such a universe would have been unable to accomplish the main purpose for which God created the universe in the first place - to allow free will choice by human beings. This would of also restrict the minds of human beings turning them into robots. In order to make it into Heaven (which is perfect), all it says is we must leave our sins/evil behind (Jesus is a symbol of this).

Although the gift is "free," it will cost you your sin, selfishness, and pride. Since none of these character traits are allowed into heaven, those who insist upon holding onto these traits cannot enter into heaven, but must be separated from God in a place called hell. Therefore, those who go to hell do so voluntarily, preferring hell to complete submission to a holy and just God.

It never actually goes into detail about Hell, people just guess its fire and there been told of a lake of fire (not everyone is casted into that lake). It says those who are sent to hell are restrained through punishment so that they won't be able to torture others.

Some skeptics have pointed out that an omniscient God should never change His mind, since He always should know what was going to happen. In reality, God never changes His mind, but warns rebellious people to give them the opportunity to change their minds before He judges them.

A lot of that believe is then clouded over by people's fairy tales and myths. I enjoy the movies as much as anyone else, but I don't take them into fact.

However, I believe in that there's a God, and you believe chance and well it just did from nothing? Earth is a rock and spinning out of control and could splat into the sun at any time or we are mutants that one human will change and not another. Or maybe Apes could take over and control the world - The planet of the apes (I love that movie too)? Tell me what you believe? I've never actually heard any other side to question and get an answer from yet and am quite interested. Either it been nothing or evolution and no one has gone beyond a point in evolution yet and explained it at all. I'm all ears!

ps. I could write a book myself, "How to better yourself learning from a complete lie" (if it turned out to be a lie), it's helped me a lot in my understanding of the world, action-reactions and people, if anything.

God is hovering over us ready to strike us down with lightning - Well that's based off Myth and it's not even the god I believe in, it's Zeus. This is something people make up in books and fairy tales and mix into religion. You are right to be questioning the following of something like that. That's however is not what I believe God to be.

This process is described in the Bible, which claims in several passages that God created the earth completely covered by water before the land was formed (pretty good "guess" by a bunch of unscientific people!). The Bible describes how God caused the mountains to rise and form the dry land. So, without tectonic activity and earthquakes, the earth would have begun as a waterworld and would still be a waterworld at this point.

It also has been found out from science, the land was one big chuck to start out with. Broken down into different lands. The Bible has even explained that. Most people tend to be so racist and hate the other countries (or not understand), yet religion suggests we are all from the same blood line, therefore one of the same, all created equal. The colour of skin doesn't matter. Is that so bad to believe?

In fact, the Bible indicates that God is love. The Bible also indicates that God is perfect.

However, God Himself stated that part of the original creation was "not good." The Bible states that the current universe is not perfect, but was designed to be temporary and will be replaced with a perfect universe that will be permanent. Science also tells us that the universe was designed to be temporary.

The atheist also makes the assumption that all pain, suffering, and death are bad or evil. In fact, physical pain is absolutely vital to our survival. If we felt no pain, we would do things to ourselves that could be very destructive. For example, if we didn't feel pain when we touched a hot object, we would not react until we saw our flesh smoking. This is obviously not a good thing to do. Pain tells us we need to react to a situation before serious damage occurs.

Many things that people consider to be bad are, in fact, useful in our spiritual growth. The Bible says that trials in our lives produce perseverance, which helps make us mature and complete.

Yes, God could have eliminated all evil in the design of His universe. However, such a universe would have been unable to accomplish the main purpose for which God created the universe in the first place - to allow free will choice by human beings. This would of also restrict the minds of human beings turning them into robots. In order to make it into Heaven (which is perfect), all it says is we must leave our sins/evil behind (Jesus is a symbol of this).

Sigh... again rather than saying your own believe, you simply attempt to poke holes in others...

What is good without evil? What is sin (something everyone on earth ends up doing) without forgiveness? Religion is all about explaining this, yet you say it's not essential to know? Religion explains why and how things are, yet you say it's not necessary to learn any knowledge of that?

Rather than making a friend and building a relationship, you suggest waiting to your at the house door, knock and wonder why he thinks your a stranger?

This website contains written knowledge to make you a better guitarist, but oops the guys that re-wrote it got a few notes wrong and some mis-spells. Better leave and ignore it all, better yet wipe it off completely and not even attempt to understand. We don't need it written down, pen or paper to remember stuff... Same logic to what you just said.

Someones religion just might be flawed or not 100%, also the bible is just a record of that been translated over and over, etc. Your logic suggest to ignore it because of that and never find out the truth anyways. Yet again you have never told me anything remotely better or more logical to follow which explains it all.

You also judge the actions of man and base it upon that? Even those every man of flesh is known to sin. Take that logic and completely ignore your government, ignore anyone for that matter, because they will sin. Take the negatives in life, like the 911. That the stereotype of America boosting it's world power and others getting jealous due to that. Don't learn from your mistakes and simply start a war. You could easily just as say America was racist and didnt have a female or black president until that occurred. That's the same logics you follow? Kinda flawed?

God says don't judge others - you say Christianity is against homosexuality, and people were stoned for it... is basically against what God points out. Yes, Christians sin, maybe mis-understand, nobody here is perfect. I don't see myself going around stoning homosexuals just because I believe in God or follow a base of a religion.

People get affected by physical and mental diseases. Some diseases are the result of violating natural laws such as alcohol or cigarette smoking related diseases. Some are unexplainable. We do not pretend to have all the answers. Christians also happen to help them out. African people happen to also full of happiness and greatful for even the little they get. If your've suffered, you feel so much more for the smaller things, most other would take for granted.

I've never actually contradicted myself. God just said earth wasn't perfect or man's body flesh is weak and will sin - there's good reason for this and Ive already attempted to explain above.

You also avoid saying anything you believe in as you fear it to will be questioned?

I didn't say your wrong or you must believe me ... I simply pointed out what I believe and I asked what do you believe in instead. Totally different thing.

There's many different believes, what one of those makes more sense to you than the other?
Or do you not believe in anything and choose to ignore any questions of why? Throw everything out and lalalalaaaa!

God does not have to exist for there to be right and wrong - You as a human, Know that murder is wrong. True, there is no cosmic law that binds you not to kill under some penalty, Nor will the cosmos judge you - But the existence or non-existence of God has no bearing on whether murder is wrong. Morals can exist outside of religion, Whether or not historically morals such as these come from the creation or implementation of religion is irrelevant ultimately.

But then again, as Carl Sagan did put it - "the cosmos is all there ever was - is ,or will be - and we look to the stars because we are made of the same carbon material". Maybe we know killing is wrong because it is a hindrance to us as a species? And killing our own kind is wrong? The cosmos' and nature could have imbued us with a sense of self-preservation (Which it most certainly did) so we derive these such morals from these "genetic instincts", as it were.

And, on a side note, just in case anyone wants to throw this curve ball at me (Atheists, Agnostics, and Christians have asked me this)- If we were to believe that right and wrong come from those who gave us religion, But we do not believe in the existence of a God - Then it would seem that people themselves derived these morals, With no Divine Intervention. Thus God did not imbue these morals in us.

Just speculation and some ideas. My point is - God's existence is irrelevant when it comes to right and wrong, Especially in today's society.

I know we have sort of talked about this before , and I meant to refer to all to answer this
how is there any difference between a Lion chasing a gazel fir diner and hitler killing the jews in a survival of the fitest world
hitler was just trying to prove he was the fitest ---He wasn't-and thus got replaced by the more fit
fulfilling his role created by the stuff
I don't see any diference in beauty between hitler fulfiling the role the starstuff gave him -- the lion eating the gazel- fulfilling the way the cosmos created him- or mother teresa fulfilling her role in loving
if they are all doing what they were created to do ,( by the star stuff) how can any of us judge them to be right or wrong

Someones religion just might be flawed or not 100%, also the bible is just a record of that been translated over and over, etc. Your logic suggest to ignore it completely because of that (even the stuff that does seem to fit) and never find out the truth anyways. Yet again you have never told me anything remotely better or more logical to follow which explains it all.

Well to be honest, and once again I am not trying to make it personal - But the credibility of any written text or document that has been continuously diluted by 2,000 years of language translation and different interpretations is a really good reason to question, and if a person feels necessary, disregard it.

I however, do not disregard the bible, or even think ill of it for any of these reasons. I see the bible as I would see any religious historical text, whether it be from Egyptians, Romans, Greeks, or whatever. But I do see it as just that, Historical text. There is nothing in the bible that separates it from any religion that preceded it, Whether its polytheistic or monotheistic, Ancient or modern, Western or Eastern, Its the same to me.

I think you also might have a misconception on the traditional Atheist or Scientific persons point of view. I don't think Alexiaden doesn't believe in anything, and just ignores questions and "lalala's" as it were - for the sake of it. Its quite the opposite I think. (Excuse me Alexiaden if this is wrong, just a quick guess as to some following similarities I'm pointing out) But...

I think he is like me, Conventional religion does not make sense to me, It requires too much of blind faith (as I see it). Science however, is all about showing why something works, why something is, and handing solid, physical proof. Religion, is all traced back - all its morals and ideologies - To basically, its the way it because God did it. And thats not good enough for people like me, or him if he sees it this way.

Just because I'm not religious, does not mean I don't believe. I believe more firmly in the Cosmos, Science, Nature, The Self, Species, and Moral goodness than the average christian believes in there own faith - Quite possibly due the fact that I can have the support of fact, and not faith - blind or not.

Not meant to present any more arguments, just meant to show you that just because someone doesn't believe in a religion, doesn't mean they don't believe in something.

I know we have sort of talked about this before , and I meant to refer to all to answer this
how is there any difference between a Lion chasing a gazel fir diner and hitler killing the jews in a survival of the fitest world
hitler was just trying to prove he was the fitest ---He wasn't-and thus got replaced by the more fit
fulfilling his role created by the stuff
I don't see any diference in beauty between hitler fulfiling the role the starstuff gave him -- the lion eating the gazel- fulfilling the way the cosmos created him- or mother teresa fulfilling her role in loving
if they are all doing what they were created to do ,( by the star stuff) how can any of us judge them to be right or wrong

Alexiaden93 - Your logics suggest you shouldn't of been born in the first place. You shouldn't of been given free-will as you can't be trusted with it. Yet you would still wouldn't be happy if you didn't have free-will.

What's the difference between Hilter and George Bush? Both given great power and control over things. Both started as great leaders. With a great gift comes reponsiblilty. Both got corrupted by power. Others suffered due to their actions. Both fell and lost their power and will be remember that way. Isn't there a lesson to learn from that? Or do you just want a blame game?

Blaming others for your actions, never worked well even here on earth.

We can't judge them. As you have all previously stated, God has a plan for us all, and he created Hitler in his own image. God is omniscient, and has predestined all events on his creation Earth. Let's not blame Hitler, let's blame God.

... You started it

What's the difference between Hilter and George Bush? Both given great power and control over things. Both started as great leaders. With a great gift comes reponsiblilty. Both got corrupted by power. Others suffered due to their actions. Both fell and lost their power and will be remember that way. Isn't there a lesson to learn from that? Or do you just want a blame game?

Blaming others for your actions, never worked well even here on earth.

We need to stop comparing people to hitler, It doesn't have any strength. And there are people just as worse and even more evil than him. If you want to understand facts or more importantly the truth, you would ask yourself WHY they lost power, WHY they got corrupted, HOW they ended up as leaders, WHAT period of time is this taking place in - tons of deciding factors, Its basic history.

How are all things not beautiful because they are fulfilling their design by the star stuff

I'll see it through
I said if there is a God, what would it look like
now if there isn't ,what are the consequences
Please answer my ?
How are all things not beautiful because they are fulfilling their design by the star stuff
hitler
mother T
the lion
the child molester
the flower
the seasons
the guitarist
the drummer - although I play with a few that weren't very beautiful

in fact would it not be wrong for society to stop them all from fulfilling what the star stuff made them to be in the cosmos

there are - and most of them persuaded using religion

I can't see how to say that anything is wrong \
your point of view
my point of view