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Jan 19 2019, 01:50 PM |
Saw the link on a forum, connected to ibanezrules.com but couldn't find the written news yet. As far as I understand these will only apply to indo made guitars(?). |
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Jan 21 2019, 06:38 PM |
For the most part, these woods seem like a decent substitute from what I have read so far. As to how they affect tone? Time will tell I guess but some of these materials, if not all of them, are already used in instrument building to some extent.
https://www.wood-database.com/dark-red-meranti/ https://www.wood-database.com/nyatoh/ https://www.wood-database.com/okoume/ https://www.wood-database.com/jatoba/ https://www.wood-database.com/macassar-ebony/ https://www.wood-database.com/brazilian-rosewood/ https://www.wood-database.com/honduran-mahogany/ https://www.wood-database.com/poplar/ https://www.wood-database.com/radiata-pine/ This post has been edited by AK Rich: Jan 21 2019, 06:56 PM |
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Jan 22 2019, 06:28 AM |
I agree. I really think this is going to heat up the used market yet again to crazy levels, as mentioned. People are going to want the woods they like. The used market for Golden Era Ibbys (Roughly the ten years from 1987 to 1997) is about to go NUTS.
Todd I don't feel good about this change. There are some great guitars built in non-first world countrys offering a quality for those who can't afford, this on the other hand is something else and feels wrong. Sadly NO. This will concern ALL guitars from Ibanez. New rules about which woods can be used/exported are causing this. Make sure you check which woods are being used on the guitar you are planning to buy. You may end up having to find a used RG. I seriously hope this will only concern Indo guitars. I'm hoping to get a Japanese RG this year. Hopefully, the one at GC won't get sold. But yeah, the news overall sounds sad. Very true!!! But we are mostly talking about IBBY builds here, and Ibby people can be just as cork sniffy as Gibson/Fender people if not worse. For the most part, these woods seem like a decent substitute from what I have read so far. As to how they affect tone? Time will tell I guess but some of these materials, if not all of them, are already used in instrument building to some extent.
https://www.wood-database.com/dark-red-meranti/ https://www.wood-database.com/nyatoh/ https://www.wood-database.com/okoume/ https://www.wood-database.com/jatoba/ https://www.wood-database.com/macassar-ebony/ https://www.wood-database.com/brazilian-rosewood/ https://www.wood-database.com/honduran-mahogany/ https://www.wood-database.com/poplar/ https://www.wood-database.com/radiata-pine/ This post has been edited by Todd Simpson: Jan 22 2019, 06:27 AM |
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Jan 23 2019, 11:12 PM |
... I think rather the difference, its about how much it influences/characterizes the guitars sound. This post has been edited by Mertay: Jan 23 2019, 11:12 PM |
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Jan 24 2019, 03:15 PM |
As Mertay just mentions, wood 'can' have a HUGE determination on the sound of a solid body. Even one that has a ton of hardware on it (modern trem bridge, locking nut or tuners), a thick poly finish and employs high gain humbuckers. It's all in how the the wood is selected and how it's cut. Not every part of the tree or the log has the same or the best density for a guitar (or any musical instrument). All rosewood is not equal. Etc.
Even shape, which I was skeptical about, influences solid body tone. I have an alder Jazz Master body that is loaded with Telecaster guts (pkups/hrdwr/wiring) and with a Tele neck on it. Everything about it is Tele except the shape. It doesn't sound (or play) like a Telecaster. https://www.guitarplayer.com/gear/tonewood-...about-tonewoods https://www.soundunlimited.co.uk/blogs/arti...itar_tone_woods -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jan 24 2019, 03:48 PM |
I'm in love with this one, but if I'm not wrong it's around 3000 usd... I wonder why it's more expensive than similar models. I didn't research too much.
This post has been edited by Gabriel Leopardi: Jan 24 2019, 03:49 PM -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 24 2019, 04:17 PM |
Also as I said or asked, if one wood type sounds darker and another brighter, would it be possible to equal out with EQ? Sort of. You can EQ the final sound but you can't EQ how the resonance and response of the 'wood' translates to the string vibration and through the pickups. It's like putting a general EQ over a finished mono track that was EQ'd badly during the recording and mixing stage. You can't make it great. You might be able to improve it, but it's relative. Resonance and vibration of wood will also have an affect on tuning and the feel of the instrument. Have you ever owned an instrument that just doesn't feel or sound 'right' no matter what pkups or strings are on it and how good of a set-up you do? There are some 'dogs' out there. Gibson and Gretsch are notorious (throughout their history) for producing some absolutely horrible sounding and playing axes. -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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Jan 24 2019, 04:23 PM |
Did some searching and it seems to be the Ibanez AZ2402K model? Yeah, I think that's around 3000 USD. Yes, that's the model. -------------------- My lessons
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Jan 24 2019, 06:40 PM |
'Good' is of course subjective when you're dealing with high quality instruments. No best, just different. That being said, a badly chosen and/or badly cut piece of wood will probably never sound or feel good to any player. The example of your $2000 RG illustrates this perfectly. You mention that even with old and dead strings, it still sounds good. That's the mark of a great instrument. *It probably still holds it's tuning with old strings as well.
Different types of music require different timbres. A trad classical guitarist absolutely wants a German Spruce top - fast, clear and articulate. Cedar - warmer/rounder tone but with a fast response. Great for finger stylists that play in open tunings. I prefer a slightly darker tone (on all my instruments) so I generally go for rosewood fret boards, swamp ash bodies, alnico pkups, nickel (and some brass) hardware and nickel strings. All of these materials lean towards the less bright end of the spectrum. Having said that, one of my fave Teles has a slab maple board (one piece of maple, no separate fret board) and it's not particularly 'bright' sounding. And never ever locking tuners - they kill the resonance in the neck. Yes, I can tell by both sound and feel. Then you have construction differences (and philosophies) such as a Gibson headstock v. Fender headstock and strings through the body or attached to bridge on the top. That all influences how the strings interact with the body and the pickups. Hardware alloy has a huge impact on tone. Trad nickel = less sustain and a little warmer than than stainless steel. Brass = more sustain and maybe too warm and dark for some applications or tastes. *Using the venerable Telecaster again as an example: there was a period when Fender used a magnetized bridge plate on teles ... and they sound and react differently. That magnetized bridge interacts differently with the pkups and the strings. There are repro manufacturers that offer magnetized and un-magnetized tele bridges. Bone nut v. synthetic. I could go on forever with this. Tuning is a big deal. If you have a relatively modern axe that won't hold tune, even with newer strings and a quality setup - there's something wrong with it. It can be bad hardware and/or bad wood. The hardware you 'may' be able to figure out and fix but if it's poorly chosen and cut wood, there's nothing you can do. There are so many variables. It comes down to "do you like the way it plays and sounds". So again, it's the individual player and their needs that determine whether any of this is a good thing or a bad thing. *Your pick thickness, material and picking technique will have more influence over your tone than any piece of hardware and most wood choices. So there's that Another big variable is the skill and experience level of the player. I won't say much about this other than that a player is responsible for pulling the best out of their instrument. Historically, Martin steel guitars, especially the traditional models, are notorious for being 'difficult to play'. It's true. Their standard high end line of 0018, D-28, D-35 and D-45s fight you, bite back and are difficult to make sound good ... until you figure out how to play them. I love my D-35. Best instrument I've ever owned but she won't sing for everyone. As we like to say here in the States ... "YMMV". This post has been edited by klasaine: Jan 24 2019, 06:53 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/foolin-the-clouds https://soundcloud.com/klasaine2/surfin-at-the-country-hop Soundcloud assorted ... https://soundcloud.com/klasaine3 New record ... http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/kenlasaine Solo Guitar ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...5iIdO2tpgtj25Ke Stuff I'm on ... https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXZh...b-dhb-4B0KgRY-d |
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