Alternative Vs Economy |
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Alternative Vs Economy |
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Jul 21 2009, 10:10 PM |
Long time question.
So, the thing is, alternate and economy are quite different, they sound different, they give you different results, they offer you different ideas once you master them nicely etc. And no, you cannot play everything with economy, try 2nps patterns like pentatonic runs and you'll realize. Same thing goes for alternate, when you cannot play it with alternate then most likely economy is the way to go. Practice both, they are both useful tho alternate has few advantages more. -------------------- Youtube
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Jul 21 2009, 10:19 PM |
I am personaly a fan of alternate picking but sometimes I use economy for a better approach in horizontal scale patterns and arpeggios. There is a big differnce between the two. If I demonstrate you some fast 16th triplets licks you would realize that there is probably no human being that could posibly execute that with economy picking. The same applies the other way around. I agree with Muris. Learn both and use them when appropriate.
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Jul 21 2009, 10:24 PM |
I usually refrain from answering technical questions since I am not an instructor. But I went through the same thing when I started playing. I had been playing about 6 months and I used economy picking. I thought there is no way that this is not the best way to play its just seemed so much easier. Then I decided I wanted to shred. So I started to watch and play Paul Gilbert Riffs. Pretty soon I started to get stuck. When I say stuck I mean I would lose my rhythm and crash right in the middle of a run. To make a long story short the only way I could advance was to learn how to use strict alternate picking.
I still use economy picking but mainly when I play blues or something that has a lot of Legato. I should mention when I was playing the Paul Gilbert runs it was all picking no Legato and thats why I would crash. You can still get away with it if you use legato because of the pause in between the picking. But try a very long run up or down the neck that is all picking and for me there is no better way than alternate picking. Do not take this as gospel its just the experience that I had with the two different forms of picking. Plus I like the more percussive sound that alternate picking has. -------------------- My Youtube - https://www.youtube.com/user/FingerSpasm?feature=mhum
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Jul 22 2009, 01:29 AM |
You might wanna try THIS lesson in as well,
it should prepare you nicely for many kinds of "unforseen" situations. -------------------- Youtube
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Jul 22 2009, 03:49 AM
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You might wanna try THIS lesson in as well, it should prepare you nicely for many kinds of "unforseen" situations. Good lesson.... |
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Jul 22 2009, 03:10 PM
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http://tomhess.net/Articles/AlternateVsDir...nalPicking.aspx
"And no, you cannot play everything with economy, try 2nps patterns like pentatonic runs and you'll realize." I'd say the picking pattern for that would simply be the same for alternate and economy picking. And since there are virtuosos who use alternate picking, and virtuosos who use economy picking, I'd think it's more of a choice, or taste, than anything else. "fast 16th triplets licks you would realize that there is probably no human being that could posibly execute that with economy picking" As economy picking has less wasted motion, shouldn't it, theoretically, be possible to play faster using economy picking than alternate picking? Then again, I think that just comes down to practice |
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Jul 22 2009, 03:23 PM |
You might wanna try THIS lesson in as well, it should prepare you nicely for many kinds of "unforseen" situations. Started on it now. -------------------- Guitars: Schecter Hellraiser C-7, Epiphone SG, Some old fake Strat, and an acoustic of unknown brand.
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Jul 22 2009, 05:56 PM
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Started on it now. I personally think economy comes in most handy when using it in conjunction with legato....... |
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Jul 22 2009, 06:08 PM |
Started on it now. Good! I personally think economy comes in most handy when using it in conjunction with legato....... Depends of a player Monte, take Frank Gambale per example, he's using economy without any hammer-ons or pull-offs most often. Some other guys use it combined with legato, true. -------------------- Youtube
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Jul 22 2009, 06:14 PM |
As economy picking has less wasted motion, shouldn't it, theoretically, be possible to play faster using economy picking than alternate picking? Then again, I think that just comes down to practice I don't know what level you are but I am pretty sure that no person can economy pick this in 160bpm, 16th triplets
Even is someone is able to do it I think that's ridiculous to waste time practicing like that when AP is much easier and sounds better in these situations -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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Jul 22 2009, 07:32 PM |
I don't know what level you are but I am pretty sure that no person can economy pick this in 160bpm, 16th triplets
Even is someone is able to do it I think that's ridiculous to waste time practicing like that when AP is much easier and sounds better in these situations Well, that kind of lick just isn't made to work with economy bro. You can sweep between B and E strings once but then you'll get stuck by downstroke on 3rd note on high E. That's born for alternate. So true Muris. One thing I remember you saying when I was debating about sticking with economy or working on alternate picking was you said that with economy it was "show me the lick".....you have to "design' your licks to work with economy. With alternate I think if you break down the mechanics and get those different pick strokes that occur when changing strings down that alternate is a much better technique. I definitely didn't think this until you really started helping me with my AP. Thanks for that Muris.......\m/\m/ Yeah, economy most often works with "prepared" licks and with any kind of uneven notes per string runs, cheers. -------------------- Youtube
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Jul 22 2009, 07:42 PM |
Well, that kind of lick just isn't made to work with economy bro. You can sweep between B and E strings once but then you'll get stuck by downstroke on 3rd note on high E. That's born for alternate. If you hammer on notes on the 1st string then in theory you could play it with economy but still that's nonsense to me -------------------- Check out my <a href="https://www.guitarmasterclass.net/instructor/Emir-Hot" target="_blank">Instructor profile</a>
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