The Murder Of Music, Think Before You Act
Emir Hot
Dec 9 2009, 04:18 AM
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My friend and an awesome neoclassical shredder Borislav Mitic has recently signed for Lion Music which is the metal label from Finland that also released my album.

Just before he released his new record he posted a very seirous story about "The Murder of Music" on the Lion Music's website. Some of other Lion Music artists (including me) also gave their input on this subject.

CHECK IT OUT HERE!

I would be interested to see comments on Borislav's text from GMC community.

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Pedja Simovic
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My conclusion after reading all these responses is following :

- Sign with record label only if it allows you to also sell your work outside of their promotion and/or you get at least all expenses payed plus year in advance money to live nicely and do another record in the meanwhile.
- Don't sign the label, get money via sponsorship or donations (maybe your city or music organization in your town can sponsor your work) and then do the marketing online and whatever you sell will be extra income.

My final conclusion to all this is that making an album can be whatever you want it to be. You just have to accept the fact that you can have absolutely no audience (if your music is not popular, if you don't have a huge network of people to spread the word about your work and buy your product etc) or you can get great results with it (depending on how much you invested and how much you earned within a year from sales, concerts and all the other private bookings).
I would just like to share one good story with you. When I performed Jazz chord melodies I composed within last month on this big culture event organized Student Culture Center of Nis, I got approached by a person who was in charge of the SCCN (in Serbian its Studentksi Kulturni Centar = SKC) and offered FREE financial help to do following things : 1) Start a jazz program and do it in their building and get all the students through them and get payed through them as well and 2) Record an album but before starting the project to present ALL THE EXPENSES which they would pay and make it basically all happen. All I would have to do there is of course mention when I promote the album and say that I was sponsored or got help from SKC. They are part of city's service which gets funds from government, so we are not talking about private business here but rather government sponsored place. I am very happy that I meet person in charge and his deputy director and needless to say I will accept one of the two if not both offers. Currently I am working on syllabus for Jazz program and the album I hope to do by the end of 2010 (thats will be one of my new years resolutions smile.gif
This just shows that oportunities are endless and its all about what you want and how you want it. You can all make it happen, the way will open if you strongly and passionately look for it. I see no other way of things working anyways. smile.gif

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Dec 15 2009, 12:42 AM
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QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 15 2009, 12:11 AM) *
They are part of city's service which gets funds from government, so we are not talking about private business here but rather government sponsored place. I am very happy that I meet person in charge and his deputy director and needless to say I will accept one of the two if not both offers. Currently I am working on syllabus for Jazz program and the album I hope to do by the end of 2010 (thats will be one of my new years resolutions smile.gif


Thats the way it works for jazz musicians here in Sweden too. I have a lot of friends who are top-rated musicians but still they have to live with support from the government and annual funds. But still they survive - and they can play their beloved music, maybe not millionaires but happy anyway! smile.gif

QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 15 2009, 12:26 AM) *
In order to sign for the big label you either have to be a good looking girl or win some kind of x-factor or get your rich parrents help you with everything.

No place for us man smile.gif


Agree to that Emir. Very few artists lasts more than a couple of years though. Pete Black from King Diamond (the guitar player) was one of my friends when we grew up. I heard he recently started to play again, but he became out of work when the band was not popular anymore, and started to do other things. What is obvious here is that in order to stay on top, You must at some point fire the record company and be in charge of Your own business - even that they may be a help at the beginning..... Then its of course a matter of what sells - I can't expect to sell any records with a vid showing me playing Swedish folk-music with a bagpipe totally nude.... biggrin.gif

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QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 14 2009, 11:42 PM) *
Then its of course a matter of what sells - I can't expect to sell any records with a vid showing me playing Swedish folk-music with a bagpipe totally nude.... biggrin.gif

I am not going to do electronic music which these days sells a lot. I've been playing guitar for so many years and if there are no people who can still enjoy something that you're actually doing with live both hands then I don't want to even think of going that down.

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- Emir Hot   The Murder Of Music   Dec 9 2009, 04:18 AM
- - intemperateControl   This thread has great interest to me. Speaking not...   Dec 14 2009, 04:19 PM
|- - intemperateControl   .......Not to quote myself, but, what I am trying ...   Dec 14 2009, 11:43 PM
|- - Staffy   QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 14 2009, 11...   Dec 14 2009, 11:48 PM
|- - intemperateControl   QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 14 2009, 04:48 PM) Ye...   Dec 14 2009, 11:51 PM
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- - Emir Hot   Thanks for your words of support intemperate but I...   Dec 15 2009, 12:02 AM
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- - Pedja Simovic   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 15 2009, 12:26 AM) ...   Dec 15 2009, 01:16 AM
|- - Staffy   QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 15 2009, 01:16...   Dec 15 2009, 08:03 AM
|- - Pedja Simovic   QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 15 2009, 08:03 AM) Th...   Dec 15 2009, 01:05 PM
|- - Staffy   QUOTE (Pedja Simovic @ Dec 15 2009, 01:05...   Dec 15 2009, 01:34 PM
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- - Emir Hot   I know what you're saying Pedja. I play gigs l...   Dec 15 2009, 01:35 AM
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|- - Staffy   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 15 2009, 01:35 AM) ...   Dec 15 2009, 08:51 AM
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- - intemperateControl   I know you are a very experienced musician, Emir -...   Dec 15 2009, 02:00 AM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 15 2009, 01...   Dec 15 2009, 02:38 AM
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- - Neurologi   Sums it up pretty much for me. The voice of reason...   Dec 15 2009, 10:40 AM
- - Caelumamittendum   I know this is not a solution to anything, but rat...   Dec 15 2009, 11:30 AM
- - lcsdds   This thread is saddening. The tone of the article...   Dec 21 2009, 09:20 PM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 21 2009, 08:20 PM) Ve...   Dec 22 2009, 12:36 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 22 2009, 12:36 AM) ...   Dec 22 2009, 12:59 AM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 21 2009, 11:59 PM) 1)...   Dec 22 2009, 01:12 AM
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- - Fran   Hey Emir, have you checked this?: http://www.guita...   Dec 22 2009, 12:43 AM
|- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (Fran @ Dec 21 2009, 11:43 PM) Hey ...   Dec 22 2009, 12:51 AM
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- - Staffy   In my honest opinion the whole music business is n...   Dec 22 2009, 01:37 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Staffy @ Dec 22 2009, 01:37 AM) In...   Dec 22 2009, 04:11 PM
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- - Emir Hot   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 22 2009, 12:28 AM) Ho...   Dec 22 2009, 03:55 AM
|- - jstcrsn   Link?[/quote] http://www.guitarmasterclass.net/gui...   Dec 22 2009, 02:25 PM
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- - intemperateControl   Emir, Do you know the names/ web addresses of any ...   Dec 22 2009, 04:23 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 22 2009, 04...   Dec 22 2009, 06:31 PM
|- - intemperateControl   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 22 2009, 11:31 AM) Se...   Dec 22 2009, 09:49 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (intemperateControl @ Dec 22 2009, 09...   Dec 22 2009, 10:45 PM
|- - intemperateControl   QUOTE (lcsdds @ Dec 22 2009, 03:45 PM) I ...   Dec 22 2009, 11:50 PM
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- - Marek Rojewski   I don't want to get involved in this discussio...   Dec 22 2009, 07:07 PM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Marek Rojewski @ Dec 22 2009, 07:0...   Dec 22 2009, 07:20 PM
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- - JamesT   At least for one, I can say that my entire music c...   Dec 22 2009, 09:54 PM
|- - intemperateControl   QUOTE (JamesT @ Dec 22 2009, 02:54 PM) At...   Dec 22 2009, 10:01 PM
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- - jstcrsn   ALL THIS TALK ABOUT stealing or buying music and ...   Dec 22 2009, 11:04 PM
- - Emir Hot   This is the copy from Lion Music website about sig...   Dec 23 2009, 03:53 AM
|- - lcsdds   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 23 2009, 03:53 AM) ...   Dec 23 2009, 06:13 AM
|- - intemperateControl   QUOTE (Emir Hot @ Dec 22 2009, 08:53 PM) ...   Dec 23 2009, 06:50 AM
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- - Staffy   Hmm, it's really some sad figures - but it doe...   Dec 23 2009, 09:41 AM
- - blindwillie   A band making another statement Homepage: http://w...   Jan 9 2010, 03:32 PM
- - Emir Hot   Well good luck to them They have made their money...   Jan 9 2010, 04:18 PM
|- - Frankster   Hello! I have a question to this topic! ...   Jan 9 2010, 04:29 PM
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- - Emir Hot   Sorry are you asking me to answer these? I have st...   Jan 9 2010, 05:22 PM
|- - Frankster   Hi! Thanks for the answer. Sorry for "t...   Jan 9 2010, 05:53 PM
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- - jafomatic   More on the subject (irony: via jack conte's t...   Feb 12 2010, 07:26 PM
|- - JVM   QUOTE (jafomatic @ Feb 12 2010, 01:26 PM)...   Feb 12 2010, 07:55 PM
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- - Staffy   +1 from me as well. He says exactly what I mean he...   Feb 12 2010, 08:48 PM
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- - JVM   I think a lot of the state of the art recording st...   Feb 12 2010, 09:32 PM
- - Staffy   Agree JVM, what I'm seeing here is that the ...   Feb 12 2010, 10:30 PM
- - Kristian Hyvarinen   I'd like to ask the people who are against fre...   Feb 12 2010, 11:45 PM
- - tonymiro   QUOTE (Kristian Hyvarinen @ Feb 12 2010, 11...   Feb 13 2010, 12:52 AM
- - Kristian Hyvarinen   Maybe I'm quibbling over the details here, but...   Feb 13 2010, 09:09 AM
- - Staffy   I'm also against illegal downloads - but the p...   Feb 13 2010, 09:35 AM
- - Keilnoth   Deezer became quite good as well to listen to musi...   Feb 13 2010, 10:48 AM
- - Gitarrero   I want to agree to what Kristian said before. I am...   Feb 13 2010, 03:16 PM
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- - stratman79   This is a really interesting thread... Just read ...   Feb 15 2010, 12:57 AM
- - AdamB   To be honest, I think it's only a natural thin...   Feb 16 2010, 09:54 AM
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