Cael's Composition Workouts, for Gab's Army Options

[Gabriel Leopardi]

Hi Ben! This is our thread to explore, train and stimulate our creativity and composing abilities. I think that this thread mustn't be structured so feel free to do random chats, to post miscellaneous videos, photos, thoughts and feelings. We will work on theory stuff but mostly on real music. I think that it would be interesting to analyze some of your favorite music but in a modern way, writing down the most used concepts and ways to arrange.

At the same time, it would be cool to use this thread as a library of ideas, so let's feel free to record and post here riffs, licks, that can be continued by you and me at any moment. In the end, maybe we can have some songs composed together, who knows?

I would like to know a bit more about you and your relation with composition. Feel free to write whatever comes to mind here.

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[Storm Linnebjerg]

This is very interesting Cael! Thanks for sharing! I think that what's happening in this lesson is that the instructor is using a concept called playing "behind the beat". That's why I still feel that the real performance is somewhere in between my tab and yours. (talking about the intro).

Casually I've worked on a new lesson covering this topic, and I checked if there is something like "expressive time" in Guitar Pro, where you can set phrases behind the beat, or ahead of the beat. I didn't find this function, and I think that tabbing everything behind using figures can be confusing for beginner students... don't you think so? Usually, time feel (as well as dynamics) are detailed with text above the score. Let me know your thoughts! We can continue in that other thread to avoid distracting Phil from his work here.

Yup, I'm taking this here. The "problem" is that not everything is played behind the beat. If you noticed some of the other phrases, they land exactly on beat 2, start on beat 4 etc. Where as others start off by a 16th or 8th note triplet.

It's tricky to notate for sure though. I'm not sure what the best approach is, given that looking at the original tab you're gonna think "Oh, I have to start the first phrase on beat 4 and land on beat 2", when it's pushed slightly from that. However the next phrase is more "tight" to the beat. Similarly I felt the 8th note + two 16ths in the slides were not how Ivan played some of it, but more so equal on the timing (i.e. three 8th note triplets).

I used a notation further on that says something like "loose, but aim for the 2nd beat", as it kinda floats around with the timing.

I'm not sure I'd notate it either of the two ways for beginners, but I'll have to think of a "good" way to do so. To me at least it's more confusing to see the tab start on the 4th beat, when the performance is slightly behind the beat - especially as it's not an overall feel through out the whole lesson. I.e. second time with the slides it actually lands on beat 2, which is opposite from the first time. So I'd want to illustrate that difference somehow. I think that's why I want to refer to it as a "drunk" sort of feel, rather than "late" or "after the beat". It's floating about a bit, if that makes sense. And those "feel" and dynamic things can be very hard to notate. In classical music they of course use fff, ff, f, mf, mp and so on, but you don't see that used to notate modern music very often.

I'm toying with the idea of actually notating the beat somehow in the tab. This is a special case obviously, but an interesting one none the less, which can be learned from. Sort of like this, but I don't find it ideal either. Also I'm not too happy with how bar 3 starts in neither of the tabs, but I feel it's a closer representation as the pull off happens on beat 1, as far as I can hear. However, again, it's the drift in and out of time that's tricky to notate - not so much if it was all behind the beat, in my opinion anyway. But this is the style of playing that I really like though - it adds a really cool feel to the playing that sometimes we're locked more tightly and other times drifting



The tricky part for me to notate is how it's drifting in and out of time.

I love tabbing stuff out, as you know, so it's fun to look at for me. I did the tab relatively quickly though (was doing it in the video I posted), and as I said somewhere in it "I would probably clean it up a bit if it was to be published".

Here's a version with both of the tabs included.

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This post has been edited by Caelumamittendum: Nov 6 2021, 06:52 PM