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Mar 17 2017, 01:40 AM
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AK RICH: The reason I have not commented on the articles you posted, to be honest, is that they are all from right wing mouth piece sites. including the one you posted here. I realize that support for most of your positions can easily be found on such sites. However, that doesn't make the information worth anything. Sites owned by FOX and other hard core, right wing orgs will post whatever supports the talking points they are pushing. These types of articles don't merit consideration to be honest. Like we talked about before, info is only as good as it's source. So anything from Reuters/Pew Research/CBS News, or really any respected news source that isn't known for being a mouthpiece for either side. E.g. Mother Jones on the Left, Fox/National Review on the right.
However, let's focus on issues since we can't seem to find any sources. RUSSIA: Still under investigation. Only part of trumps 2005 returns were released, but we did learn why Michael Kelly resigned. See below. I wonder if he will roll over on Trump? UPDATE: MICHAEL FLYNN (Resigned as Trumps National Security Advisor after scrutiny over Russian ties) just REGISTERED AS A FOREIGN AGENT WITH THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. He was paid HALF A MILLION DOLLARS to represent the interests of TURKEY during the campaign. All this just recently came out after he registered this past tuesday. Now that this has all come out, it makes me more interested to see the tax returns of our president to see who was paying whom. Someone this close to him was taking money at this level while on the campaign trail and even during his short tenure as a senior white house advisor. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/10/us/polit...ynn-turkey.html If you don't like the NY Times, here is the same story in the Associated Press. One of the two sources I would say are the most reliable. AP and Reuters. Most news pulls from these two sources for their stories. http://bigstory.ap.org/article/former-trum...turkey-lobbying NEW POLICY: Trump is trying to pump billions in to the Military, (already the largest on Earth) and defund MEALS ON WHEELS and after school programs that help the poor. This is the sad truth. That Trump is pushing policies that will impact the very people who voted him in to office. The lower middle class who he swore to protect. I won't bother with a link, I'll post the bill link from congress as I find them. Maybe we should limit ourselves to that. As you seem to post only right wing sites, and reject even well respected news organizations like the BBC, perhaps just pointing to actual info from Congress will cut down on peripheral bs and cut to the heart of the matter. QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 15 2017, 11:14 AM)  . Sorry to crash your little party, Todd. I'll leave you to it, but let me know when you find evidence of collusion with the Russians in Trumps tax returns that have just been illegally leaked. Have fun guys! I'll leave you with some more evil right wing propaganda that is relevant on my way out. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/4455...reveal-omission I thought he was headed in to a NATIONAL REVIEW/FOX/CIRCA/BRIETBARF echo chamber  But thankfully it's being moderated. QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Mar 15 2017, 09:33 PM) yes , but you stumbled into a CNN echo chamber
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Mar 18 2017, 04:33 AM
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In other news, maybe there is still hope for the 9th circuit after reading this stunning rebuke of the courts decision to stay the ban on Trumps first executive order concerning immigration. Finally some judges of the court have recognized and cited the law, and case precedence.
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/gene...20en%20banc.pdf |
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Mar 18 2017, 07:21 PM
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Come on, "stunning rebuke"? Seemed more like judges just doing their job. Trump is throwing out red meat to the base so he can say "I did what I said I was going to do" and we gotta give him credit for that. But again, that's what forums are for
One guy says stunning rebuke, the other guy says the exact opposite, and we have a forum thread QUOTE (AK Rich @ Mar 17 2017, 11:33 PM) In other news, maybe there is still hope for the 9th circuit after reading this stunning rebuke of the courts decision to stay the ban on Trumps first executive order concerning immigration. Finally some judges of the court have recognized and cited the law, and case precedence. http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/gene...20en%20banc.pdf |
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Mar 18 2017, 08:15 PM
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It's a lot like making a deal. *Don't regale me with 'Trump the businessman' analogies. Most, if not all politicians are just as savvy or as ruthless as the Donald.
You offer ridiculously low, the other side flat out rejects, you offer more reasonably, it meets somewhere in the middle. The administration knew perfectly well that the first one wouldn't fly. Which is why they didn't challenge back. They just wrote a new exec order - which is what most admins do in that situation. Most likely that is how the next 4 years will be - deal making. And how most 4 year periods are. This post has been edited by klasaine: Mar 18 2017, 08:22 PM -------------------- - Ken Lasaine
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Mar 19 2017, 03:15 PM
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If one of the most powerful autocracies (Russia) managed to push its agenda onto the most powerful democracy (US) - it would undoubtedly mean a new world order.
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Mar 19 2017, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Mar 18 2017, 10:21 AM) Come on, "stunning rebuke"? Seemed more like judges just doing their job. Trump is throwing out red meat to the base so he can say "I did what I said I was going to do" and we gotta give him credit for that. But again, that's what forums are for One guy says stunning rebuke, the other guy says the exact opposite, and we have a forum thread No sir, this was a judicial beatdown and scathing review from the other judges on the court of the 9th circuit courts ruling on the EO. Yeah judges doing their job schooling the other judges on the court how to do their job. It is stunning because it came from the 9th circuit, that's why I say maybe there is still hope for that court. The judges that made the ruling are rogue judicial activists and what they have done is judicial tyranny. Maybe this will explain it better for you. http://lawnewz.com/high-profile/five-9th-c...l-ban-decision/ http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/gene...20en%20banc.pdf PS: Isn't it interesting that this publication from the 9th circuit isn't headline news? This post has been edited by AK Rich: Mar 19 2017, 04:43 PM |
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Mar 19 2017, 08:31 PM
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QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Mar 19 2017, 03:15 PM) If one of the most powerful autocracies (Russia) managed to push its agenda onto the most powerful democracy (US) - it would undoubtedly mean a new world order. thenwhat do you think of this opinion piece http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/08/...-ignorance.html |
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Mar 19 2017, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (jstcrsn @ Mar 19 2017, 08:31 PM) thenwhat do you think of this opinion piece http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/10/08/...-ignorance.html I skimmed through it briefly - I am by no means a Russia expert and I am not sure my opinion on the details is worth anything. But if it turns out the Russian influence is as bad we're currently led to believe by the WH silence - you can be 100% sure it is not something that will benefit you and me. If you guys want to get more understanding for this, I suggest researching briefly on the history of Russia/USSR and more importantly Putin. |
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