Is The Push-pull Coil Tap The Only Real Difference Between Hellraiser Deluxe And C-1 Hellraiser?

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Is The Push-pull Coil Tap The Only Real Difference Between Hellraiser Deluxe And C-1 Hellraiser?

Praetorian View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 02:13 AM
Apr 16 2009, 02:13 AM	Learning Apprentice Player & Challenge Star Posts: 1.995 Joined: 10-March 08 From: Albany NY USA	I have looked over the two guitars and they seem quite similar besides the coil tap push pull knob. Is there any other major difference you guys can see? http://www.guitarcenter.com/Schecter-Hellr...197-i1446249.gc http://www.guitarcenter.com/Schecter-Hellr...092-i1443064.gc You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Ben ___________________________________________ "PLAY YOUR DAMN GUITAR!!" - Kirk Hammett Fender American Standard Stratocaster Ibanez RG4EXQM1

skennington View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 04:26 AM
Apr 16 2009, 04:26 AM	Learning Roadie - Never Give Up - Moderator Posts: 7.461 Joined: 25-November 07 From: Charlotte,NC USA	Lets see... Deluxe Mahogany Classic Body w/ black binding 3-piece mahogany neck with ebony fingerboard Schecter Ultra Access contour 25.5" scale 24 jumbo frets GraphTech Tusq nut Mother-of-pearl crescents EMG Active 81/85 humbuckers Schecter Tune-o-matic-style bridge Grover tuners Black hardware Crimson burst finish C1 Mahogany body (Black Cherry finish includes Quilted Maple Top) Set, 3-piece mahogany neck with rosewood fretboard 24 X-jumbo frets 25-1/2" scale Ultra-Access cutaway EMG active 81TW/89 pickups Push/pull knob for single-coil on 81TW Volume/volume/tone controls 3-way pickup switch Grover tuners Abalone binding on black cherry and white-finish guitars, gray pearl binding on black-finish guitars Gothic cross fretboard inlays TonePros Tune-o-matic-style bridge with thru-body design Deluxe has 81/85 combo, C1 has 81/89 combo Deluxe has jumbo fret's , C1 has X-Jumbo Deluxe has Ebony fretboard, C1, Rosewood The rest I think is mostly cosmetic.. Cheers Ben Edit: C1 Quilted top..Major plus in my book depending on thickness.. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by skennington: Apr 16 2009, 04:29 AM -------------------- *Show Off The Lessons You Have Learned Here On The REC Board And Receive Valuable Feedback from Our Instructors!* *Check Out The Virtual Bands* *Want To Join One, Or Maybe Form Your Own?*

Praetorian View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 01:31 PM
Apr 16 2009, 01:31 PM	Learning Apprentice Player & Challenge Star Posts: 1.995 Joined: 10-March 08 From: Albany NY USA	How the heck did I miss the pickup difference?! What are X-jumbo frets? Does that mean there is more space between fret wires? edit: Also, just read on the Schecter forums that the Deluxe has a bolt on neck...not a set neck like the C-1 Hellraiser!! That is a MAJOR difference! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Praetorian: Apr 16 2009, 01:52 PM -------------------- Ben ___________________________________________ "PLAY YOUR DAMN GUITAR!!" - Kirk Hammett Fender American Standard Stratocaster Ibanez RG4EXQM1

skennington View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 01:56 PM
Apr 16 2009, 01:56 PM	Learning Roadie - Never Give Up - Moderator Posts: 7.461 Joined: 25-November 07 From: Charlotte,NC USA	Yep your right Ben. As for the fret's, the X-jumbo is a slightly larger fret wire. Tbh, in some ways I still like the flexibility of a bolt on. If you get to the point somewhere down the road that you would like to try a different feel, you can change it. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *Show Off The Lessons You Have Learned Here On The REC Board And Receive Valuable Feedback from Our Instructors!* *Check Out The Virtual Bands* *Want To Join One, Or Maybe Form Your Own?*

Praetorian View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 02:05 PM
Apr 16 2009, 02:05 PM	Learning Apprentice Player & Challenge Star Posts: 1.995 Joined: 10-March 08 From: Albany NY USA	QUOTE (skennington @ Apr 16 2009, 08:56 AM) Yep your right Ben. As for the fret's, the X-jumbo is a slightly larger fret wire. Tbh, in some ways I still like the flexibility of a bolt on. If you get to the point somewhere down the road that you would like to try a different feel, you can change it. So the fret wire itself is wider? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to that? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Ben ___________________________________________ "PLAY YOUR DAMN GUITAR!!" - Kirk Hammett Fender American Standard Stratocaster Ibanez RG4EXQM1

skennington View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 02:42 PM
Apr 16 2009, 02:42 PM	Learning Roadie - Never Give Up - Moderator Posts: 7.461 Joined: 25-November 07 From: Charlotte,NC USA	QUOTE (Praetorian @ Apr 16 2009, 09:05 AM) So the fret wire itself is wider? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to that? More preference than anything. They may offer a little more advantage when using heavy string gauge. It's the wire height that's the main difference. Some will say the larger the fret wire, the easier it is for bends and vibrato. String height however will need to be adjusted to accommodate, but not that big a deal. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- *Show Off The Lessons You Have Learned Here On The REC Board And Receive Valuable Feedback from Our Instructors!* *Check Out The Virtual Bands* *Want To Join One, Or Maybe Form Your Own?*

Ivan Milenkovic View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 02:56 PM
Apr 16 2009, 02:56 PM	Instructor Posts: 25.396 Joined: 20-November 07 From: Belgrade, Serbia	QUOTE (Praetorian @ Apr 16 2009, 03:05 PM) So the fret wire itself is wider? Is there an advantage or disadvantage to that? It's not that important, some people use thicker, some thinner fret wire. What is important is what kind of feel are you searching for. Check out several guitars with different fret wire gauges to see what suits you best. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- - Ivan's Video Chat Lesson Notes HERE - Check out my GMC Profile and Lessons - (Please subscribe to my) YouTube Official Channel - Let's be connected through ! Facebook! :)

29a View Member Profile	Apr 16 2009, 09:59 PM
Apr 16 2009, 09:59 PM	GMC:er Posts: 356 Joined: 28-December 08	Imo the thicker frets feel a bit like a scalloped fretboard. You have to be careful not to push down the strings to hard or they'll sound out of tune. On the other hand they make bends easier because the strings don't slip away bellow your fingers. I personally like them quite a bit. But I think the difference between between the jumbo and x-jumbo aren't that big (I've got jumbos on the C-1 Classic and X-Jumbo on the Hellraiser). Regarding the topic I think id miss the following things here: - The Pickups, imo the EMG81tw/89 are clearly superior to the original 81/85, I'd miss splitting them quite a lot - The "Ultra Access" set neck, feels far more comfortable on the highest frets - The quilted maple top looks far better than the flamed one to me Now I think an ebony fret board would fit the Hellraiser quite well. Also the binding of the C-1 Hellraiser is a bit too shiny for me (at least most of the time). Anyway I had to make the same decision and went with the non deluxe hellraiser. Jonas You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My Website \| My Gear \| Elixir Nanoweb Strings Review \| Installing Schaller Security Locks "If privacy is outlawed, only outlaws will have privacy." - Phil Zimmermann

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