Article 13 In Eu Options

[klasaine]

Yes, but YT is the platform that would have to pay (by far) the most as they have the largest and most wide ranging viewership. Also, to reiterate, Youtube (Google) pays licensing fees here in the US to copyright holders. It isn't much but it is collected by BMI and ASCAP. They only take down vids that are contested by the copyright holder or agent thereof.

Though I may be an 'outsider' as I don't live in the EU (though half my family does) I do have experience in dealing with and understanding copyright and copyright law as well as licensing, collection and distribution payments of copyrights. To that end - in practice: it's really fucking hard to even find let alone collect except from the largest distributors. As I read Article 13 of the European Union Directive on Copyright in the Digital Single Market, to give it it's full name, they originally wanted to employ “proportionate content recognition technologies” but subsequent re-writings of the directive have changed that to “special account shall be taken of fundamental rights, the use of exceptions and limitations as well as ensuring that the burden on SMEs (small and medium sized entities) remains appropriate and that automated blocking of content is avoided.” As I understand them, EU 'directives' are not absolute law but standards that EU members are expected to adopt and eventually pass their own domestic legislation in line with the terms of the directive. A lot can change.

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This post has been edited by klasaine: Dec 16 2018, 05:52 PM

[Storm Linnebjerg]

I hope things turn out alright of course, and I think they will. The internet can't be stopped, and someone will find a loophole.

The idea of more original content and "awarding" people for original content is of course in the best interest of artists that work inside the original content category. I do mostly, but I also use backing tracks from YouTube in my streams, I have done some cover-ish stuff and want to do more.

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[Rated Htr]

@Caelumamittemdum, it is about all platforms. Youtube is just the biggest one in terms of impact hence why people refer mostly to it.

Klasaine is right. Being a directive means that each country will then make it's own adjustments to their place instead of it being a full universal law.

The internet won't be stopped, it will just be changed. What Klasaine is trying to say from my point of view, and rightly so, is that many people tried to over-hyped the situation saying it would "destroy the internet" just to get more attention, but it really won't.

However, the use of VPNs is being discussed a lot in various communities. Like I mentioned in another post, even if Klasaine's point of view is totally accurate and we are just facing a platform trying to cause mass hysteria in order not to pay money, the fact remains that we are slaves to their decision-making, regardless of what it is.

Also, as I've mentioned, I'm all for people getting what they deserve, I'm just opposing this. The Article, like Klasaine mentioned, has very vague passages and is very abstract at some points about the course of action to take. I would have liked for more precision but since they wanted to involve all platforms and all measures, they had to be broader. This according to a copyright lawyer whom I've seen in a podcast discussing the matter is the usual norm but doesn't work here.

Platforms like Youtube exists because of the immediatism that they deliver.

I'm more versatile in technology and that's where I draw the problem. Even if you implement new content recognition technology, that technology doesn't have the human capability of understanding if you are using it in a way that's allowed or if you even have the license for it. If it spots copyrighted content, your video goes to quarantine. Period.

It is true that this whole thing started based on the understanding that an artist, for example, would gain more revenue from places like Spotify instead of places like Youtube which doesn't make sense from an accessibility point of view, therefore it is right to think that something needs to be done about that.

At the end of the day, everyone agrees that people should be paid for the use of their original content. I doubt that most YouTubers (still using youtube as representative) would oppose giving revenue for using copyrighted content.

What they and I are opposing is the limitation and exaggeration that comes with these rules. Instead of having a % or fee, it's the entire video. Even in the current iteration of the Content ID that remains a problem. That the entire revenue of a 10-minute video goes to someone else because there are 2 seconds of copyrighted content there.

I would much rather see a filter that warns a person that they are using copyrighted content from a database where people can insert it and let the content creators negotiate revenue with the authors. The owners could say if they are up for negotiation or not since some companies like Epic Games won't stop people from using their content since it's what made them big.

Going after the platforms and making them responsible for any infringement means they'll do whatever they want to stop anything from making them reliable, therefore, no negotiation. They'll only invest in the technology if what they make from Europe pays off, and I doubt it does.

If this was an article that forced content creators to have to negotiate directly with copyrighted content owners, I would be all for it. Platforms wouldn't worry about it, they would just create the means for it to happen in a much more fluid matter.

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[Todd Simpson]

It seems like they are really just trying to do a "Scared Straight" thing to most folks? Then they are backing it up with a "We have a big stick too!!!!" But yeah, it will come down to enforcement and most enforcement will be automated just like it is right now. The algo on youtube flags anything that has been registered to a given "owner" and sure, I can post a video from IRON MAIDEN but they will get any advert revenue share from it, not me, which is fine and doesn't really change/slow anything down. We will just have to wait and see how this all pans out but I get the feeling so far that it won't be that different from what we have now? But we shall see

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[Adam]

It seems like they are really just trying to do a "Scared Straight" thing to most folks? Then they are backing it up with a "We have a big stick too!!!!" But yeah, it will come down to enforcement and most enforcement will be automated just like it is right now. The algo on youtube flags anything that has been registered to a given "owner" and sure, I can post a video from IRON MAIDEN but they will get any advert revenue share from it, not me, which is fine and doesn't really change/slow anything down. We will just have to wait and see how this all pans out but I get the feeling so far that it won't be that different from what we have now? But we shall see

What you said about IM getting credit for your cover sounds good enough for me. I'm more concerned about global political situation and climate change than copyrights enforcement. I mean I'm not concerned personally but I think it's more appropriate topic to be discussed by government.

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This post has been edited by Adam M: Dec 20 2018, 08:17 PM

[Storm Linnebjerg]

What you said about IM getting credit for your cover sounds good enough for me. I'm more concerned about global political situation and climate change than copyrights enforcement. I mean I'm not concerned personally but I think it's more appropriate topic to be discussed by government.

There are many, many topics and problems worth spending my time on solving by politicians. Some have been discussed on here before and have ended with closed threads. So while I by all means agree there are topics worth more air-time, I shared this because it was music related

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[Todd Simpson]

I've had quite a few threads shut down myself for being too political and for good reason as this is a guitar site after all and I probably get to involved in political banter for my own good This one is music related so a good topic to be sure. I do hope it doesn't end up being used to make our lives harder in any way. It does have the potential to be used in very nasty ways.

There are many, many topics and problems worth spending my time on solving by politicians. Some have been discussed on here before and have ended with closed threads. So while I by all means agree there are topics worth more air-time, I shared this because it was music related

Those are important topics to be sure. They do end up sometimes causing more division than discussion so after a spate of very long threads about politics that didn't end up changing anyones mind about anything, we tend to try to keep things more about music.

What you said about IM getting credit for your cover sounds good enough for me. I'm more concerned about global political situation and climate change than copyrights enforcement. I mean I'm not concerned personally but I think it's more appropriate topic to be discussed by government.

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