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Monkeydathos' Composition Workout, Let's create some songs!
Storm Linnebjerg
Jan 27 2018, 01:03 PM
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Oh, then you're way ahead of me. I'm no good at editing drums in GP6. I know GP5 and GP7 like my own back pocket, but GP6 always seemed to lack some possibilties, but if you like it, then continue with it smile.gif

I understand the need to focus on your own stuff for a bit rather than music school! It can be a grind, I can imagine smile.gif

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MonkeyDAthos
Jan 27 2018, 05:57 PM
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Took me like a few hours to came up with this and tab out. (I do a lot of eating breaks dry.gif )
Still I don't think I have the require skill to composed the drums to this just of yet.
I only managed to hear the first 2 bars in my head (Drums) the rest meh. (I kinda can hear this little ghost notes here and there but...damn boi it's hard tongue.gif)

The composition is fairly simple. 1 min long, 4 chords, changing the voicing here and there. I think its revolves around an E Harmonic Minor feel.

Wut you think about it. I will probably spend tomorrow fiddling with drums to with. But if you have any suggestion! plz don't hesitate.

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Storm Linnebjerg
Jan 27 2018, 06:25 PM
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I think it sounds really good and that you are on your way smile.gif It's a special rythm and a bit unusual, but I like it and it fits the music! So I say very well done!

One thing I would suggest again is keeping the kick drum and snare drum on the 2nd voice (ctrl+2 on windows), while the hi hat on voice 1 (ctrl+1). This gives a nice and "realistic" look to the drum notation, that a drummer will appreciate. I don't know if this makes sense, or if it's a problem on my end, but it seemed to be the other way around when I opened the file smile.gif This means the stems of the notes overlap and go towards the middle of the sheet, where as the bass drum and snare should point downwards and any cymbals, hihats etc should go up.

The aim should be to make it sort of look like this:



Let me know if that makes sense.

It's minor details though, and the main thing is you're now making drum grooves!

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MonkeyDAthos
Jan 27 2018, 06:40 PM
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Ugh I totally did mess up the voices. Lack of attention. I I will keep it in mind for now on.
I will continue with the writing tomorrow, will post updates.

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Storm Linnebjerg
Jan 27 2018, 07:01 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 27 2018, 06:40 PM) *
Ugh I totally did mess up the voices. Lack of attention. I I will keep it in mind for now on.
I will continue with the writing tomorrow, will post updates.


Don't worry! It's a minor detail. I'm just glad you're writing drums and I feel proud of what you're doing so far! smile.gif

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Jan 28 2018, 12:57 PM
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Its still very unpolished and amateurish
But I tried to draft a rough idea of what I heard.


The second part 11 bar onward, should I...hm tight the drums with the bass? If so how would you do it?
Like matching kick with bass?


Edit: I tried to make something for the second part. I don't think it sounds very hmm drumish. But alas here it is.

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MonkeyDAthos
Jan 31 2018, 04:06 PM
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Ignoring the drums a bit. I've been trying to come up with more parts to skyquakes.
I came up with that little part 19 bar +. But I not very keen on using it. I really dig the idea, but it feels unrelated to the original first bars.
What do you think.

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Storm Linnebjerg
Jan 31 2018, 04:58 PM
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I was sure I had replied already to your last post. Sorry about that! Replying now smile.gif

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Jan 31 2018, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 28 2018, 12:57 PM) *
Its still very unpolished and amateurish
But I tried to draft a rough idea of what I heard.


The second part 11 bar onward, should I...hm tight the drums with the bass? If so how would you do it?
Like matching kick with bass?


Edit: I tried to make something for the second part. I don't think it sounds very hmm drumish. But alas here it is.


It's good! And it's the way forward! Nothing is perfect from day one, and especially not if not practicing to get better at something, you know? I often fail to think this way myself, but it is indeed about practicing before you can become good at something. I'm trying to record guitar videos at the moment, and I'm messing up my speaking parts 49/50 times. But it can only get better from that point.

I think the reason why it sometimes sounds off, is because you have some polyrythms going between the guitar and the bass/drums. This can sound alright, but also sound like a hiccup.

This is probably what I would do:

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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 31 2018, 04:06 PM) *
Ignoring the drums a bit. I've been trying to come up with more parts to skyquakes.
I came up with that little part 19 bar +. But I not very keen on using it. I really dig the idea, but it feels unrelated to the original first bars.
What do you think.


Now this is of course how YOU hear your melody, and I can't decide that, but personally I would try and bring some more coherentness within the 3-bar chord progression rythmwise. I can only speak of how I hear it, but the 2/4 feels "unnatural" to me, as it gives a break that to my ears are a bit long. I will strongly say though, that you should not change this because I say so, if it is how you hear it. I experimented a bit and tried making the 2/4 an 3/8 instead. This also means that your round of chords end up with an "even" feel (7/8+4/4+2/4 = odd number, where as 7/8+4/4+3/8 = even number, which makes it easier for the listener to accept the odd time signatures).

But I can understand how you say it may not relate to the first idea in Skyquakes. Maybe you could transition into it by adding some drums and bass. Sorry to bring up the drums again laugh.gif

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Jan 31 2018, 06:02 PM
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QUOTE (Caelumamittendum @ Jan 31 2018, 04:44 PM) *
It's good! And it's the way forward! Nothing is perfect from day one, and especially not if not practicing to get better at something, you know? I often fail to think this way myself, but it is indeed about practicing before you can become good at something. I'm trying to record guitar videos at the moment, and I'm messing up my speaking parts 49/50 times. But it can only get better from that point.

I think the reason why it sometimes sounds off, is because you have some polyrythms going between the guitar and the bass/drums. This can sound alright, but also sound like a hiccup.

This is probably what I would do:

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I hope the file works.



Now this is of course how YOU hear your melody, and I can't decide that, but personally I would try and bring some more coherentness within the 3-bar chord progression rythmwise. I can only speak of how I hear it, but the 2/4 feels "unnatural" to me, as it gives a break that to my ears are a bit long. I will strongly say though, that you should not change this because I say so, if it is how you hear it. I experimented a bit and tried making the 2/4 an 3/8 instead. This also means that your round of chords end up with an "even" feel (7/8+4/4+2/4 = odd number, where as 7/8+4/4+3/8 = even number, which makes it easier for the listener to accept the odd time signatures).

But I can understand how you say it may not relate to the first idea in Skyquakes. Maybe you could transition into it by adding some drums and bass. Sorry to bring up the drums again laugh.gif



I will and follow your advice try and mess around with the times signatures! I might hear something I might have not been able too otherwise.
But tbh I think I am just storing this idea. I ain't feeling it in the song.

The mask file you sent failed to load though, but I understand and agree with you! I am aware of the polyrythms. To my ears it kind sounds something a no drummer would write. tongue.gif But as you said it's all about that practice.
(Pondering buying a drum set actually!)

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Storm Linnebjerg
Jan 31 2018, 06:15 PM
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QUOTE (MonkeyDAthos @ Jan 31 2018, 06:02 PM) *
I will and follow your advice try and mess around with the times signatures! I might hear something I might have not been able too otherwise.
But tbh I think I am just storing this idea. I ain't feeling it in the song.

The mask file you sent failed to load though, but I understand and agree with you! I am aware of the polyrythms. To my ears it kind sounds something a no drummer would write. tongue.gif But as you said it's all about that practice.
(Pondering buying a drum set actually!)


Arh, yeah, I think it was because I opened it with GP7 and exported it to GP6. Somehow that messes up things. All I did was have the snare drum hit the 2 and 4 on each measure, and have the hi hat be on the off beat in the last two measures (instead of just one of them like you had). It was just a suggestion. But I like where you are going and what you are doing so far! It's much better than what I did when I was starting out! smile.gif

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MonkeyDAthos
Feb 1 2018, 03:33 PM
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I think I am going with something among these lines. For skyquakes

The "solo" section on 23 bar. (Have yet to compose, the few note are just there more to tell you the solo is going to be there)
I think..it starts to play too soon, (I know this is subjective)but do you think it would sound nicer if the backing progression would drag a bit longer adding a bit more of ambient stuff, then the solo comes in, or is it good as it is.
Also add a bit more of drums. (still practicing)

Another thing that's been bugging my mind. Is that the initial section doesn't sound very "intro'ish" That kinda feel change around 5th bar seems to happen... too fast. unsure.gif

Gonna keep writing for a while longer

Edit: I did drag the progression for 4 bars extra before going into the solo and I quite like it way more.
Edit 2: I don't think I will be able to do the intro in guitar pro. I am thinking of more of an electronic kinda trippy intro. Then goes into the post rocky vibe. Managed to do a quick draft of the feel I am going for, only have my laptop here, got to grab the guitar to compose.

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Storm Linnebjerg
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I don't think the intro is bad at all! And I don't think it necesarily happens to go to fast into the next part. Sometimes we can drag things on and on, while it's not necesary. I know I used to do that a lot. You haven't, and I think that's good!

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