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Headbanger View Member Profile	May 27 2013, 06:26 PM
May 27 2013, 06:26 PM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	I decided To tune my Fender Strat down half a step as I seem to be playing a lot of Eb songs lately..I'll leave my other guitar, my Les Paul in normal Standard and use whichever guitar is appropriate for each song. I have tuned down before on a number of occasions and I know that this makes bending the strings that much easier. But I was wondering today if I am bending any more distance to reach the required tones. I don't think I am. If I am its so little that I can't seem to notice although my head tells me something is different because of the easier to bend less tension on the strings. What is the theory behind this, any one know? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Gabriel Leopardi View Member Profile	May 27 2013, 06:36 PM
May 27 2013, 06:36 PM	Instructor Posts: 36.043 Joined: 3-March 07 From: Argentina	I feel something similar when I go from 010 to 011 strings. You need a moment to re-calibrate your fingers and the strength that you have to do but then you can bend adjusted again. I think that the difference is just the less strength that you have to do when you use Eb. What are you playing?? Some Slash stuff? or maybe Hendrix? Malmsteen? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons Do you need a Guitar Plan? Join Gab's Army Check my band:Cirse Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel

Headbanger View Member Profile	May 27 2013, 06:44 PM
May 27 2013, 06:44 PM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	Various things...Mainly Hendrix and ACDC which I normally just play in standard E...But I keep coming across other bits and pieces and again I just don't bother tuning down and I thought maybe I should, to get the sound that was intended by the original artists and leave at least one of my two electrics different....(At least for a while: until I change my mind! ) You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Headbanger: May 27 2013, 06:44 PM -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Gabriel Leopardi View Member Profile	May 27 2013, 09:03 PM
May 27 2013, 09:03 PM	Instructor Posts: 36.043 Joined: 3-March 07 From: Argentina	QUOTE (Headbanger @ May 27 2013, 02:44 PM) Various things...Mainly Hendrix and ACDC which I normally just play in standard E...But I keep coming across other bits and pieces and again I just don't bother tuning down and I thought maybe I should, to get the sound that was intended by the original artists and leave at least one of my two electrics different....(At least for a while: until I change my mind! ) haha Cool stuff mate! Any video coming?? or maybe some demonstration at the Vchat? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons Do you need a Guitar Plan? Join Gab's Army Check my band:Cirse Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel

Headbanger View Member Profile	May 27 2013, 10:34 PM
May 27 2013, 10:34 PM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 27 2013, 10:03 PM) haha Cool stuff mate! Any video coming?? or maybe some demonstration at the Vchat? One day Gab!.... .One day would be nice. I can't believe what I am doing. I am repeating something I started about 23 years ago (The first time)...Hopefully I am better now than then....Now I have the help from the internet and GMC. Its amazing how much easier things are than back then. I don't suppose I'll demonstrate anything on vchat for a long time as my brain and fingers seem to freeze on there once I know someone is watching live...I may do a Video rec though in the future as that's less pressure ...Funnily enough I played a few gigs a long time ago on the bass and as I was a band member and not alone...the pressure was a shared thing and didn't bother me as much as Vchat! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Headbanger View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 08:55 AM
May 28 2013, 08:55 AM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	Did any one actually know the theory behind the bending distance of strings under different tensions? i.e. standard E Tuning then down to Eb tuning...? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Cosmin Lupu View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 09:18 AM
May 28 2013, 09:18 AM	Instructor Posts: 22.808 Joined: 14-June 10 From: Bucharest	I totally understand your experience man I have my guitars tuned as follows: JEM - standard E (09 - 046) PRS Paul Allender - Standard D or Drop C (10-52) PRS Mike Mushok - Standard B or Drop A (12-68) but since it is a baritone, the strings don't feel tensioned at all. For me, it was a matter of experimenting with finding the perfect balance between the rigidity needed for riffing and the flexibility needed for bending and articulating in general. I found that 10-52 in standard D is the combination that fits my needs in a proportion of 95% - which is a winner I cam to this conclusion while trying to play the same piece with all three guitars, by altering the pitch of the backing track and seeing what feels more comfy. Of course, the baritone is not that comfy because the neck is huge, in comparison to the others, but the other PRS with the 10-52s proved itself to be the thing I tried it on Pantera's 'I'm broken' because it has everything in it - riffs, bends, vibrato, picking and so on. Pick a song you know how to play and experiment with string gauges and tunings until you figure out what fits you Of course, let us know how it went, man! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons We can work on YOUR GUITAR and MUSIC development TOGETHER. Write me a private message if you wish to! Please subscribe to my Youtube Channel Days Of Confusion Facebook Page Mozart Rocks My facebook page

Headbanger View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 09:45 AM
May 28 2013, 09:45 AM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	Thanks Cosmin and Gab...both interesting replies...but not really what I was asking.... My original question was more of a physical distance one rather than a feeling...The question arrived because of the feeling/feedback or less tension that I was experiencing in tuning all strings down Half a step. I was asking does anybody know the 'theory' about the distance a string has to be bent (for example: to hit a tone two frets up from the one being bent) from one tuning to another... Its not important...its just one of those silly 'Physics' problems that makes me curious. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Cosmin Lupu View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 09:58 AM
May 28 2013, 09:58 AM	Instructor Posts: 22.808 Joined: 14-June 10 From: Bucharest	Even if you don't want it to be, it is a feeling problem You adjust your body to the tuning and tension - articulation is not a thing that you think about, but a thing that you learn how to feel. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons We can work on YOUR GUITAR and MUSIC development TOGETHER. Write me a private message if you wish to! Please subscribe to my Youtube Channel Days Of Confusion Facebook Page Mozart Rocks My facebook page

Headbanger View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 10:02 AM
May 28 2013, 10:02 AM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 28 2013, 10:58 AM) Even if you don't want it to be, it is a feeling problem You adjust your body to the tuning and tension - articulation is not a thing that you think about, but a thing that you learn how to feel. Haha...It wasn't a problem that I had Cosmin...It was just a physics question!!!. I haven't actually got a problem playing with either tuning . You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Cosmin Lupu View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 10:12 AM
May 28 2013, 10:12 AM	Instructor Posts: 22.808 Joined: 14-June 10 From: Bucharest	sorry man, just thought you needed some answers You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons We can work on YOUR GUITAR and MUSIC development TOGETHER. Write me a private message if you wish to! Please subscribe to my Youtube Channel Days Of Confusion Facebook Page Mozart Rocks My facebook page

Headbanger View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 10:14 AM
May 28 2013, 10:14 AM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	QUOTE (Cosmin Lupu @ May 28 2013, 11:12 AM) sorry man, just thought you needed some answers Don't apologise Man...your answers are always interesting and more than helpful...its just that I was asking something else . Maybe I haven't explained myself very well! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

Darius Wave View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 11:45 AM
May 28 2013, 11:45 AM	Instructor Posts: 5.871 Joined: 29-November 12 From: Poland	Ha ha! The problem You consider is something natural! I don't know any hard rules on that. Indeed fingers have some "tension memory" but still the main meter for the bend is the ear. I hate when strings a re too loosen - feel like bending the 3rd insteard of the usuall whole step or something... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Check out my lessons and my instructor profile www.facebook.com/DariusWave www.youtube.pl/vavrzyn www.niebonie.pl www.jammingcherry.pl www.facebook.com/druzyna.wawrzyna

Gabriel Leopardi View Member Profile	May 28 2013, 02:32 PM
May 28 2013, 02:32 PM	Instructor Posts: 36.043 Joined: 3-March 07 From: Argentina	QUOTE (Headbanger @ May 28 2013, 06:14 AM) Don't apologise Man...your answers are always interesting and more than helpful...its just that I was asking something else . Maybe I haven't explained myself very well! hehe yeah, you explained yourself well mate! however I don't know and never asked myself the physics behind this, maybe and engineer or a luthier knows about it.. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons Do you need a Guitar Plan? Join Gab's Army Check my band:Cirse Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel

Cosmin Lupu View Member Profile	May 29 2013, 07:56 AM
May 29 2013, 07:56 AM	Instructor Posts: 22.808 Joined: 14-June 10 From: Bucharest	If you want a really interesting answer to this question - you should definitely ask a genuine bluesman He will probably talk like Yoda about the topic You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons We can work on YOUR GUITAR and MUSIC development TOGETHER. Write me a private message if you wish to! Please subscribe to my Youtube Channel Days Of Confusion Facebook Page Mozart Rocks My facebook page

Gabriel Leopardi View Member Profile	May 30 2013, 04:22 PM
May 30 2013, 04:22 PM	Instructor Posts: 36.043 Joined: 3-March 07 From: Argentina	I was wondering if anybody knew the answer to the original question of this thread but there is still a mystery... You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- My lessons Do you need a Guitar Plan? Join Gab's Army Check my band:Cirse Check my soundcloud:Soundcloud Please subscribe to my:Youtube Channel

Headbanger View Member Profile	Jun 3 2013, 09:54 AM
Jun 3 2013, 09:54 AM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ May 30 2013, 05:22 PM) I was wondering if anybody knew the answer to the original question of this thread but there is still a mystery... No one knows the answer to that original question Gab! You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

dark dude View Member Profile	Jun 3 2013, 04:59 PM
Jun 3 2013, 04:59 PM	GMC:er Posts: 1.081 Joined: 27-September 09 From: London, UK	I think it comes down to two factors: 1) Muscle memory 2) Your ear If you blocked your ears and changed string tension (either by changing your tuning or changing string gauge), I doubt your fingers could compensate accurately, as they've been trained to add x pressure to bend to a particular pitch, y - this is your muscle memory. Now, if you unblock your ears and bend with a new string tension, your fingers will feel a different tension but your ear will fine-tune your bend. The greater the difference between two string tensions, the less likely you are to hit the given pitch without using your ear to compensate. In HB's initial example, the difference in string tension was small, so HB was more or less able to hit the note. I don't believe it's anything more than that. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- Ibanez 2550E LTD EC-1000 VB Roland Cube 30W

Headbanger View Member Profile	Jun 3 2013, 07:45 PM
Jun 3 2013, 07:45 PM	GMC:er Posts: 877 Joined: 18-January 13 From: 3rd stone from the Sun	Still not answered. Never mind just let this one disappear unanswered The actual misunderstood question is..I'll try and be more clear; When changing the tuning from normal standard tuning to Eb tuning do the strings have to be bent more to reach the equivalent required pitch? edit: I don't have a problem bending personally with either of the tunings to the correct pitches (I think ) with either muscle memory or ear...so with all respect to those trying to be helpful in those camps...that's not a problem.. I wondered (like you do in life) was there something actually written, a known fact..that explains physically whether a differently tuned string would have to be moved further/less...or should be moved further/less that a standard tuning....I imagine if it does, the distance difference is probably not worth talking about, and as we use our ears and muscle memory, then maybe...that's also not worth talking about....? You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! This post has been edited by Headbanger: Jun 3 2013, 08:07 PM -------------------- Dwayne by thepenmover, on Flickr The Pen Mover Flickr Instagram Carbonmade Etsy

thefireball View Member Profile	Jun 3 2013, 09:06 PM
Jun 3 2013, 09:06 PM	Learning Roadie Posts: 4.537 Joined: 9-March 10 From: United States, Arkansas	Here is what you are asking: no you don't actually bend any farther. The string is being bent the same distance whether you are in standard e or standard eb. It's the same distance no matter what. You are at GuitarMasterClass.net Don't miss today's free lick. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! Don't miss today's free blues, jazz & country licks. Plus all our lessons are packed with free content! -------------------- YouTube - A Place For Melodic Guitarists Instagram - Behind the Music Analyzed Within - My Christian Metal Band

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