Sollesnes's January Mtp Thread, Weekly assignments and uploads here Options

[Pedja Simovic]

Hi Solle,

We are continuing with our MTP in January where we left of in December. I hope you had good celebration for new years and extra couple days of, now its time to do some work. Your 1st assignment will be based on Triads lesson but this time you will do 2nd part of series.

1st assignment and REC :

- Triads in C major scale part 2

- Record video of Triads in C major scale part 2 lesson found HERE
- Use backing track provided in the thread when recording it.
- Try to apply left hand fingerings I applied but stick to right hand fingerings all the way.
- Upload video on Youtube and post it in this thread here.
- When you are done with video, post it in REC part of forum for grading!

Deadline for this assignment is January 10th.

Let me know if you have any questions!

Pedja

P.S. After this one I will get working on Ear Training and more Theory and Harmony for you!

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[del-4fr53e3]

oh I didn't see it before now. Alright I'll do it (but these recs aren't so interesting... )

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[Pedja Simovic]

oh I didn't see it before now. Alright I'll do it (but these recs aren't so interesting... )

Keep checking the MTP board, something is always happening !
We have to do REC, it is better to get it out of the way as the 1st assignment then to play catch up later on

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[del-4fr53e3]

Alright, I did it quickly this time as well, here it is.

Can I do something not Triads lesson rec next month..?

http://vimeo.com/8581508

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This post has been edited by Sollesnes: Jan 6 2010, 11:54 PM

[Pedja Simovic]

Alright, I did it quickly this time as well, here it is.

Can I do something not Triads lesson rec next month..?

http://vimeo.com/8581508

Video still being processed...

Sure thing Solle, we can do some technique based lessons from Muris, Emir or Jonathan.

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[del-4fr53e3]

oh yes, sorry about that.. It should be working very soon

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[Pedja Simovic]

oh yes, sorry about that.. It should be working very soon

Just saw it now. You got all the chords down no doubt Solle but timing is off around 90% of time mostly rushed and played ahead of beat. I like that you were going for full rhythm value of chords but it sounded pushed and rushed because of timing. I would give this 8 in REC, you can submit it for REC if you want or I can give you in your next assignment some technical lesson by Emir or Muris that you could use instead?

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[del-4fr53e3]

oh, I thought I had to use it
Yes, it was very rushed..
I am currently busy recording EP with band, but I don't mind lots of work You can mention a lesson you want me to do, and I will try to do it of course I'll do anything you tell me to, xD

edit:
Actully, I would love to be given various lessons to do, and lots of questions and stuff I don't mind doing many things simutainously ^^

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This post has been edited by Sollesnes: Jan 7 2010, 02:30 AM

[Pedja Simovic]

oh, I thought I had to use it
Yes, it was very rushed..
I am currently busy recording EP with band, but I don't mind lots of work You can mention a lesson you want me to do, and I will try to do it of course I'll do anything you tell me to, xD

edit:
Actully, I would love to be given various lessons to do, and lots of questions and stuff I don't mind doing many things simutainously ^^

Ok Solle lets do this. Since this lesson was for 1st assignment and REC go ahead and post it there. If you don't want to do that and feel you could do another better take until the deadline then go for it man. After this I will keep giving you lesson + theory harmony ear training related work. How does that sound?

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[del-4fr53e3]

Sounds good
I posted REC in rec section before here

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[Pedja Simovic]

Solle we continue with your 2nd assignment for January. This assignment is sort of like an essay or written theory behind your current level of knowledge. This will help me totally understand where you at right now. I will give you couple of topics from which you can choose one (or more if you want to!) and write me as many things as possible about it. The deadline for this assignment is 17th of January. Here are the topics for your 2nd assignment :

1) Tell me everything you know about major scale. Construction, intervals, harmony and everything else you feel I need to know.
2) Tell me everything you know about cadences in major scale and its modes. Use C major scale for explanations.
3) Tell me everything you know about major scale modes?
4) Tell me everything you know about modal harmony?
5) Tell me everything you know about pentatonic scales?
6) Tell me everything you know about chord tone and tension relationship with harmony ?
7) Tell me everything you know about natural/harmonic/melodic minor scale harmony?
8) Tell me everything you know about natural/harmonic/melodic minor modes and harmony?



Remember, pick one (or more if you can do it by deadline) and write me as much as possible on given subject. I want to read and understand how you approach and understand given material.
Deadline for this assignment is 3 days from now, 17th of January. Let me know if you have any questions!

Pedja

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[del-4fr53e3]

Oh I don't know which to pick, or how much to tell. I'll just talk through some of them from the beginning question if thats ok..

The major scale, or the Ionian mode, has seven notes. The notes are found through the formula WWHWWWH. W being a whole step and H being a half step. Starting from for example C, you get the notes C D E F G A B C, the C major scale. Starting on another note, you get a different major scale. There are also written formulas for chords from the major scale. For example, 1-3-5, meaning the first, third and fifth note of the major scale, is major. In C major that would be the notes C E and G, and would be the C major chord. 1-b3-5, would be minor, 1-2-5 would be sus2, 1-4-5 would be sus4, and so on. Using 1-b3-5, the notes in C minor chord would be C Eb and G. This is how you find the various chords from the appropriate major scale. C major scale would find C chords, D major scale would find D chords, etc.

More common is perhaps finding all the possible chords from within a key.
This is done by taking every second note in the scale. This is called three or four part harmony. Three part consists of three notes, and four part consists of four notes. Let us use C Major as an example, using the notes C D E F G A B C.
If we do three part harmony, we can start on C. That would give me C, E and G. If I start on D, I would get D F and A. And so on. We give the chords roman numerals, the first chord being I, the second chord being II, and so. Now, there is a formula that fits what kind of chords there always are in the major scale. Here it is:

I - Major
II - Minor
III - Minor
IV - Major
V - Major
VI - Minor
VII - Diminished

So, like that we know that C E G is C major, D F A is D minor. The rest of the chords would be E Minor, F Major, G Major, A Minor and B Diminished. Like this, you can easily know what chords you can play in a specific key, as long as you know the formula by heart, and know the notes in your key. For example, the notes in F# major is F#, G#, A#, B, C#, D# and E#. Thus the chords are F#maj, G#min, A#min, Bmaj, C#maj, D#min and E#dim.

Four part harmony works exactly the same, but gives the formula:

I - maj7
II - min7
III - min7
IV - Maj7
V - dom7
VI - Min7
VII - Min7b5


In the major scale there are also three different types of chords. Tonic, subdominant and dominant. The tonic chords being the most stable, while dominant being the most unstable. The most stable notes of a scale is the first, third and fifth. So chords containing as many as possible of those, will be tonic chords. For example the C major chord in the C major scale contains C, E and G, and thus is the most stable chord in C major scale, containing the first, third and fifth. A major consists of A C and E. The A is out, but because C and E is the first and third note of the scale, it is also a tonic chord.
The subdominant chords needs the 6th scale degree, and increases the subdominant feeling if it has the 4th scale degree in it as well. It is not a completely stable chord, but it is not as out as the dominant chords. It gives the feeling of progression in a chord progression.
The dominant chords needs the 4th and 7th scale degree. The 7th is especially important because it is only a half step away from the root, thus giving a very unstable feeling. These chords are usually used before resolving into a tonic chord, or holding a very unstable feeling.

So, taking all the chords from a major scale:
I - tonic
II - subdominant
III - tonic
IV - subdominant
V - dominant
VI - tonic
VII - dominant


Moving on to modes... The modes are:
I - Ionian (or major)
II - Dorian
III - Phrygian
IV - Lydian
V - Mixolydian
VI - Aeolian (or minor)
VII - Locrian

If we use C major again, the modes will be C Ionian, D Dorian, E Phrygian, F Lydian and so on. The notes are the same, but the function of chords and notes are changed. Using C Ionian, every note and chord has a feeling that will also change if you change to D dorian. Not only is the D the root, but Dmin is a tonic chord, and Cmaj is a dominant chord! It is, in actuality, a whole different scale and key. It just contains the same notes. BUT, it can help you. You can know every chord that exists in G Mixolydian, because you know them from C Ionian mode. You just have to use them as chords in G mixolydian, and not C Ionian
Also, like I wrote WWHWWWH is for Ionian mode, so is WHWWWHW for dorian, HWWWHWW for phrygian etc.

I feel I'm getting tired now... I'll post it now Guess I didn't really talk about anything except what you've told me to read through MTP... oh well. I hope that is ok.. If you want me to talk about anything more, or in more detail, do say!

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[Pedja Simovic]

Solle fantastic work my friend. You made me very proud reading through everything you wrote. You basically answered more or less first 4 questions Once you got to the ending I was expecting here comes the really interesting stuff and then you stopped. Needless to say this is A+ work you did however let me know if you need help with remaining questions as those are leaning more towards more advanced harmony topics.

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[del-4fr53e3]

Solle fantastic work my friend. You made me very proud reading through everything you wrote. You basically answered more or less first 4 questions Once you got to the ending I was expecting here comes the really interesting stuff and then you stopped. Needless to say this is A+ work you did however let me know if you need help with remaining questions as those are leaning more towards more advanced harmony topics.

Haha, yes thank you.
The rest is more complicated. I don't know what more to say about modes, because I have never studied them more than that.. I wouldn't mind going through all what I have not answered through some "read this and answer these questions" work

However, I can answer the pentatonic part I think.
I know that pentatonic scales contain 5 notes, and are very common all over the world. The most common in western music today being the minor and major pentatonic scale.
The major pentatonic scale is found by removing the fourth and seventh scale degree. In C major, C D E F G A B C, that would make C Major Pentatonic C D E G A C. This can also be found through the circle of fifths.
The Minor Pentatonic removes the second and and sixth scale degree from the minor scale. In A minor, that would give the A minor pentatonic A C D E G A. Of course, this can also be found through the circle of fifths.

Because C major scale and A minor scale are enharmonic, the C major pentatonic and A minor pentatonic is also enharmonic. They only contain the same notes, but are different scales.

Edit:
I suppose there also is different modes in the pentatonic, but I don't know anything about that...

I don't understand question 6, and I can't answer 7 and 8
Or is question 6 about, for example, recognizing what key we are in, by knowing it has for example a Bdim and an Amin chord?

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This post has been edited by Sollesnes: Jan 15 2010, 10:41 PM

[Pedja Simovic]

Question 6 is basically asking you to describe melody versus harmony relationship.
For example if chord is C min7 and we have in melody F note, how is that note treated in relation with C min7 chord? Is it a chord tone or tensions? Scale note, chromatic approach, diatonic approach, delayed resolution etc ?
Things like that, looking at the lead sheet and based on harmony, melody and rhythm doing proper analysis. We will work on this when I give you some lead sheets to analyze !

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Solle here are your remaining assignments for January. I think you will enjoy them a lot as they include theory and harmony as well as improvising with given material.

3rd assignment :

- Read Superimposing with Minor Pentatonics post HERE
- After reading the whole thing with related link posts, think about choosing one chord and one approach you will use for recording!

4th assignment :

- After you have chosen your approach, record a backing track with that chord and on top of that record yourself soloing with 1 or all 3 minor pentatonics corresponding with that mode!


Let me give you an example here. Lets say that you have chosen A minor as your chord. Now you also chose A minor to be treated as II (Dorian sounding). In that case you should play minor pentatonics from G major scale ( A , B and E minor pentatonics) over A min chord in the background. 4th assignment asks you only to pick 1 but it also allows you to use all 3 pentatonics if you want to.
Backing track doesn't have to be anything fancy for this purpose. Just guitar playing the chord will do, if you want to add bass and drums to that to make it sound tighter go ahead!

Deadline for these assignments is 31st of January! Let me know if you have any questions !

Pedja

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