Mtp Issues!, Let's have a discussion about it |
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Apr 16 2010, 03:19 AM
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Where did I put that cricket.
-------------------- ::jafomatic
 http://jafomatic.net/tunes/ <-- Here lies the master collection of my collaboration and other improvisation recordings. |
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Apr 16 2010, 03:31 AM
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ha jafo! I remember that..
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Apr 16 2010, 03:34 AM
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What do you mean by your MTP sessions got left out in the middle?
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Apr 16 2010, 04:30 AM
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That's a bummer......life is what happens while making other plans right???......Keep working Chandra.......you are already a very good player.......\m/\m/
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Apr 16 2010, 06:36 AM
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I like to see such honest posts and these should be taken in the best of spirits, so we can improve this community further.
I believe MTP is still in it's preliminary stages of development. And it may truly need work on both ends. I know your batch was affected the most (especially considering that most of you are at a VERY good level of playing). But that's quite unfortunate. And I can't feel what you went though coz i didnt have to experience that. I would've probably failed each of the assignments coz they are way difficult for me. But I DO admire the patience exhibited by the entire batch. But once again, it could happen to anyone, personal problems and issues may crop up in anyone's lives and everything else related to guitar then becomes secondary. But on the contrary, my experience with MTP was fantastic. I did restructure my entire routine so I can sucessfully complete it. Yes, this did include making some sacrifices on sleep or leisurely activities and even taking taking leaves from work !!! Having a terrific mentor of course made this process so much smoother. My only concern was the lack of reasoning provided behind the new MTP rules. Everyone deserved to know why the rules changed and what factors influenced those changes coz we are paying customers here. And especially considering the fact that we take pride on the "community" element of GMC. Another conccern I have is the lack of responses on threads like this, where people read, agree to what's being discussed but never post their opinion on it. This is more damaging to the community. I would very much appreciate if atleast Kris responds to this thread. Anywayz, I am optimistic that things will change for good if we are to remain the top ranked site. Maharzan, Your commitment, hard work and discipline is admirable but unfortunately, not everyone takes these things that seriously . ... so always look out for yourself ... never be dependant on other 'events' or things for your own progress and happiness. At the end of the day, it is you and you alone who has to sit and improve your playing by setting goals. But I agree if you are a paying customer primarily for MTP, then you have some pretty solid concerns there...coz it's definetly not easy to see that hard earned money go to waste.. All the best man. -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Apr 16 2010, 08:49 AM
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QUOTE (maharzan @ Apr 16 2010, 05:24 PM)  haha audiopaal.. I AM THE BOSS!! I know if someone comes and YELLS at me on MY site, I am definitely PISSED OFF!  If that someone is a paying customer in a customer oriented business, then being pissed off would probably be the worst emotion to exhibit and would make matters much worse  -------------------- "If the need is deep, you WILL find a way , if it isn't, you'll find some excuse"
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Apr 16 2010, 08:53 AM
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I don't really think this is a big issue, even that I think the 3-month rule is a little bit stupid. There are plenty of other activities going on, and since the MTP is an open program its easy to follow other students lessons as well. I agree that a fee on the MTP would be fair though - then will only the one's who's really concerned bout their playing apply, and hence put less stress on the instructors. But then shall the regular fee been lowered maybe a little bit, since a lot of young players cannot afford the rate as it is even today. Or maybe have some "ticket"-system for the lessons???
I said this before, the only thing I think is bad bout the MTP, is that it seems that more than 50% are wasting the instructors time by not completing their assignments/not even tries to. The one's who's really interested suffers ofc. of this, and I'm sorry for You buddy!  On the other hand, 3-months passes quickly, and the next time its your turn! //Staffay --------------------  Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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Apr 16 2010, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (Chris Evans @ Apr 16 2010, 05:35 AM) From what I understand most are reasonably happy with the MTP until it stops for one reason or another? I think the reason is more important than to gloss over. When that reason is "the instructor disappeared" there's a lot more unhappiness going on that isn't being posted. I watched all the mtp-required REC videos that were submitted in the current rules and I read all the MTP threads; especially the old ones from earlier in 2009. I've seen the skill and playing ability improved significantly on a few members which I will list here and illustrate something. - Kaznie_NL - VelvetRoger - Maharzan - lcsdds - NoSkill The first four of those members improved their playing ONLY under the old mtp system that did not burden the instructor or students with deadlines and assignments. NoSkill is the exception because even when his instructor disappeared for months at a time --all three of his three-month attempts-- NoSkill continued to work through as much of the program as he could. This included finding assignments that were handed to other students and making REC submissions of his own. He also sought some outside advice and tutoring which throws his MTP-based improvement into more question. From where I'm standing the older system worked and the new one doesn't work yet. The instructors and students are being held to a system that is no longer encouraging "mentorship" and has just enough added hassle that it's far too easy for both to suddenly "not have time" to participate. When a student doesn't participate, they walk out of the program, that's fine. When the instructor stops participating consistently after week three of a twelve week program, three times in a row, that is when things turn bad for his five-to-seven students. I hope this isn't worded with too much rancor, but we all say the program is in its infancy yet it's been alive for a year. The last half of that year it has spent on a gurney in the hospital emergency room, bleeding to death and waiting for an examination. -------------------- ::jafomatic
http://jafomatic.net/tunes/ <-- Here lies the master collection of my collaboration and other improvisation recordings. |
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Apr 16 2010, 05:33 PM
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QUOTE (lcsdds @ Apr 16 2010, 05:50 PM) I'm gonna agree with Jafo on this one. I was a participant in the original program with Muris as my mentor. My one and ONLY goal for that was to get my AP skills going. Are my AP skills as good as I want them to be.....NO. But......I have a good AP practice routine now and my AP and overall playing have improved as a result. I think the problem with the new system is it is too rigid......this is a result of the required assignments IMO. Students should be able to practice and learn whatever they want and the instructors should be a resource for that student in the MTP. We all have only a finite amount of time to practice and if a good chunk of that is spent learning a GMC lesson that is not particularly appealing to us then that is kind of a waste of time IMO. I know for me that I would love to sign up for MTP with Pedja and try and leech all of his theory knowledge but I don't particularly want to spend some of my precious practice time working on a GMC lesson that I don't really want to. I guess bottom line is that IMO MTP should be a little less rigid and conform more to what the student wants to work on. Just my two cents...... Hmmm, I'm with You and Jafo partly here, but I don't see why You can't speak to the instructor about the assignments. I'm doing a MTP with Pedja right now, and we have a dialogue about the assignments and the lessons for the REC as well. I think this can be solved with just a little communication between the student and the teacher. However I think its good for the students to have assignments because it motivates them to perform some practicing - if it would be a "looser" concept lazy students (like me ), will just done the work in half.....One thing that would be very good though, is to have some sort of quee-list - since there are some students dropping off altready in the first month, these spots can be used for them who have participated before and showed some good motivation. //Staffay -------------------- Guitars: Ibanez AM-200, Ibanez GB-10, Fender Stratocaster Classic Player, Warmouth Custom Built, Suhr Classic Strat, Gibson Les Paul Standard 2003, Ibanez steel-string Amps: Fender Hot Rod Deluxe, Marshall JMP 2103, AER 60 Effects: BOSS DD-20, Danelectro Trans. Overdrive, TC-Electronics G-Major, Dunlop Wah-wah, Original SansAmp, BOSS DD-2 Music by Staffy can be found at: Staffay at MySpace |
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