Need A Chunkier Tone :( |
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Need A Chunkier Tone :( |
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Jun 10 2019, 03:51 PM
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Hi! I'm working on a song now that sounds like this:
https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/guitars-test/s-bvf7s I'm not happy with the lead guitar sound. I want it to sound like this : Discussion and help is greatly appreciated. Also the rhythm guitars... should I try to make them fatter or will that happen by itself when I add a bass? This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 10 2019, 03:52 PM -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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Jun 10 2019, 05:57 PM |
Hi! I'm working on a song now that sounds like this: https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/guitars-test/s-bvf7s I'm not happy with the lead guitar sound. I want it to sound like this : Discussion and help is greatly appreciated. Also the rhythm guitars... should I try to make them fatter or will that happen by itself when I add a bass? Kris made a Yngwie tone video recently with the kemper, have a check might help. |
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Jun 10 2019, 09:56 PM |
Can't really afford a kemper mate. Thanks for the suggestion though No point wasn't that He uses mostly familiar tools to shape the tone while speaking on the usage. The youtube vid. though not exact but is pretty familiar on yngwie tone (more humbucker-like), what did you use on your soundcloud link? if you share settings etc. then it would be possible for other to give suggestions. But I can recommend trying the freeware emissary amp and the ir loader (which comes with free ir), bit of a hassle to download but to me it rivals many payware for such tones; https://www.stltones.com/products/stl-ignit...-plug-in-bundle |
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Jun 10 2019, 10:22 PM
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Ah sorry I thought that's what you meant. I used bias fx for tone here's my settings.
I only use software ampsims, don't have anything else at the moment. But that also means I can re-amp so I guess that's something. The guitar used is a really nice suhr with great(although somewhat weak)pickups if that helps you. It doesn't help me to compensate, I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to tone. No point wasn't that He uses mostly familiar tools to shape the tone while speaking on the usage. The youtube vid. though not exact but is pretty familiar on yngwie tone (more humbucker-like), what did you use on your soundcloud link? if you share settings etc. then it would be possible for other to give suggestions. But I can recommend trying the freeware emissary amp and the ir loader (which comes with free ir), bit of a hassle to download but to me it rivals many payware for such tones; https://www.stltones.com/products/stl-ignit...-plug-in-bundle Does this sound slightly better https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/maximum-power-test3/s-nxJZn ? Redid some settings and eq'ed it around a bit. This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 10 2019, 10:08 PM
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-------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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Jun 11 2019, 02:47 AM |
Works for me There are wads of folks that use that plugin. Our own CAEL uses it and has some killer presets. I"m taking a guess that he would be up for sharing some or may have already shared them to the community bit in the app. I have shared a few tone patches myself in the community section.
Ah sorry I thought that's what you meant. I used bias fx for tone here's my settings.
I only use software ampsims, don't have anything else at the moment. But that also means I can re-amp so I guess that's something. The guitar used is a really nice suhr with great(although somewhat weak)pickups if that helps you. It doesn't help me to compensate, I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to tone. Does this sound slightly better https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/maximum-power-test3/s-nxJZn ? Redid some settings and eq'ed it around a bit. |
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Jun 11 2019, 02:57 AM
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Ah sorry I thought that's what you meant. I used bias fx for tone here's my settings. I only use software ampsims, don't have anything else at the moment. But that also means I can re-amp so I guess that's something. The guitar used is a really nice suhr with great(although somewhat weak)pickups if that helps you. It doesn't help me to compensate, I don't really know what I'm doing when it comes to tone. Does this sound slightly better https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/maximum-power-test3/s-nxJZn ? Redid some settings and eq'ed it around a bit. try mixing two different amps . I also would try a second drive in front of the amps ( you can turn the gains lower and use them to control tone ) also your amps eq section is off , I have found these controls to really affect the tone . ( i have mine set bass about 7 , mid slightly under 5 and treble and presence about 6 |
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Jun 11 2019, 03:10 AM
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That's some great advice folks! It's actually starting to shape up, I went for a single amp for that guitar instead of two, that seems to have done a lot for the tone. Did a bit of more eq'ing nothing fancy. It can still use a lot of work but I think I'll get there... https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf
This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 11 2019, 04:08 AM -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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Jun 11 2019, 03:35 AM |
Using two amps is tricky. Almost all of my tones in sims use one patch. The only time I use two paths are in patches where I"m using one path for octave or some other effect. I have found that two amp paths can cause a LOT of signal cancellation which can make the sound smaller instead of bigger.
Also, I can't hear your track you shared on soundcloud? Says it's not there? Mayeset to private? One last thing, when I was using BIAS, I found it better to pre drive the signal that post drive it. E.G. Putting more boost, eq before the amp stage and using less gain on the amp to increase articulation and overall BIGness. That's some great advice folks! It's actually starting to shape up, I went for a single amp for that guitar instead of two, that seems to have done a lot for the tone. Did a bit of more eq'ing nothing fancy. It can still use a lot of work but I think I'll get there... https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4
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Jun 11 2019, 04:05 AM
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Using two amps is tricky. Almost all of my tones in sims use one patch. The only time I use two paths are in patches where I"m using one path for octave or some other effect. I have found that two amp paths can cause a LOT of signal cancellation which can make the sound smaller instead of bigger. Also, I can't hear your track you shared on soundcloud? Says it's not there? Mayeset to private? One last thing, when I was using BIAS, I found it better to pre drive the signal that post drive it. E.G. Putting more boost, eq before the amp stage and using less gain on the amp to increase articulation and overall BIGness. Oh I was using the wrong link... here it is https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf Yeah I find that to be the case a lot of the time too. Cancellation with two amps I mean. I'm also going to add a harmony very panned with a similar tone so I need the space to be pretty clean. -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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Jun 11 2019, 10:22 PM
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That's some great advice folks! It's actually starting to shape up, I went for a single amp for that guitar instead of two, that seems to have done a lot for the tone. Did a bit of more eq'ing nothing fancy. It can still use a lot of work but I think I'll get there... https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf
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Jun 12 2019, 06:32 AM |
if you do use a panned dual path, it can help to use different cabs/mics/amp heads and different placement of the mics on the cabs. Anything to prevent the overlap that causes cancellation. Even with a hard pan.
Also, I'm sure you know this, harmonized bits do better with a pinch less gain in many cases. The gain structure starts compressing the signal and the harmony gets a bit squashed after that an cancellation. So reducing gain and using two tonally different rigs can help. As you still using Overloud? I've got wads of patches on that. Just not using BIAS anymore so I can't help much with patches there. I like the track you shared I Hear the harmony with a keyboard I think? or highly processed guitar. The mid/upper mid will thin out if your not careful, but if you want it to thin out, be more 8 bit, just add more gain, use similar rigs in two paths etc. The opposite of the first bit of advice. Oh I was using the wrong link... here it is https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf
Yeah I find that to be the case a lot of the time too. Cancellation with two amps I mean. I'm also going to add a harmony very panned with a similar tone so I need the space to be pretty clean. |
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Jun 12 2019, 07:47 AM |
Oh I was using the wrong link... here it is https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/test-4/s-T1UMf Yeah I find that to be the case a lot of the time too. Cancellation with two amps I mean. I'm also going to add a harmony very panned with a similar tone so I need the space to be pretty clean. Amazing music as always, vercia - you rock!! I am listening to this latest sample and comparing with your reference youtube video. I think you have cut away low end on the wrong place. The reference track lacks most of the boomy bottom end but then has very defined low midrange. Then it also has shimmer on top (try a treble booster / "presence") and quite some treble as well. Your tone sounds a bit scooped which might make playing feel easier but does not work well in the mix. The trickiest part is usually to find a good marshall type hi-gain amp to start with and then apply a tube screamer to tighten the right bart of low spectrum. My Yngwie tone video which Mertay referenced does this indeed: |
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Jun 13 2019, 03:57 AM
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Added a tiny harmony and have no trouble phase trouble even with the same tone according to MultiScope.
https://soundcloud.com/zaghara/full-thursday-early/s-5wa6F Here's with some bass and some other rhythm guitars also in context with the rest of the song which is nowhere near finished... Thought I'd show you guys it first. While there's still a lot of work to be done I'm feeling like this one will turn out good when it's done. This post has been edited by verciazghra: Jun 13 2019, 04:21 PM -------------------- "To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time." -Leonard Bernstein
"The only love affair I have ever had was with music." -Maurice Ravel "There's no such place as dumb question." -Dose One |
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