Two Smart Phones One Pedal Board
Todd Simpson
Aug 27 2018, 01:55 AM
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I've had to put two smart phones on my pedal board to control my two fave bits of kit. My iphone is the host for the orange amps teleport pedal and my android phone loads presets on to the hotone Xtomp. I could just run the iphone and use it for loading patches and for Amplitube for the Teleport, but I like being able to see what patch is loaded on the xtomp so the android phone (deactivated phone) serves as a monitor screen for the xtomp. The teleport requires either a iphone/ipad/pc or mac laptop to run the host software. It does make for a strange looking pedal board smile.gif

whaddya think? A bridge to far?


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I kinda like how future this is. I love modelling, but if the phones are doing the processing, I don't know how you deal with the latency. That is a real turnoff everytime I've tried it.

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I like it!

QUOTE (yoncopin @ Aug 27 2018, 02:37 PM) *
I kinda like how future this is. I love modelling, but if the phones are doing the processing, I don't know how you deal with the latency. That is a real turnoff everytime I've tried it.


I think the phones just act as controllers, they don't do any processing

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Aug 28 2018, 05:40 AM
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Thats the best part! THERE IS NO LATENCY on the ios platform with AMPLITUBE as far as I can hear. Thats why the IOS platform has so many music apps as opposed to the android platform imho. There is a hardware standard for each ios product. There is no single hardware standard for android devices so they have "android lag" very often when dealing with music production apps. Thus why you see so many ipads as part of peoples rigs. I've got an older 6s and no perceptible latency at all. smile.gif

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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Aug 27 2018, 08:37 AM) *
I kinda like how future this is. I love modelling, but if the phones are doing the processing, I don't know how you deal with the latency. That is a real turnoff everytime I've tried it.


In this case, the phone is the host for the app and does all the processing. The pedal is just an audio interface and a button. The phone runs an app like amplitube and does all processing on board. But as I mentioned in the other post, there is no latency on the ios platform using Amplitube. The pedal even comes with a code to get the ORANGE CS amp pack for amplitube so you can get orange amps on your phone smile.gif I did a few demos with amplitube and my iphone 6s to show the lack of latency a while back with a similar pedal product. Here is one of those.

Here is the full playthrough with the TELEPORT showing the MIDI function where i use the jam origin app to feed guitar signal to the ROLI keyboard app and some bits with the orange amp pack.


QUOTE (Kristofer Dahl @ Aug 27 2018, 09:09 AM) *
I like it!



I think the phones just act as controllers, they don't do any processing

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Well that's very cool, from what I can tell that orange amps sounds great from your iphone!

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QUOTE (Todd Simpson @ Aug 26 2018, 09:55 PM) *
I've had to put two smart phones on my pedal board to control my two fave bits of kit. My iphone is the host for the orange amps teleport pedal and my android phone loads presets on to the hotone Xtomp. I could just run the iphone and use it for loading patches and for Amplitube for the Teleport, but I like being able to see what patch is loaded on the xtomp so the android phone (deactivated phone) serves as a monitor screen for the xtomp. The teleport requires either a iphone/ipad/pc or mac laptop to run the host software. It does make for a strange looking pedal board smile.gif

whaddya think? A bridge to far?





This is the future!! That's awesome mate.

I'm not sure if I understand the connection. Is that teleport the interface that connected directly to Iphone, or you need any other thing as Irig? I can't see it clearly in the video.

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Is it okay if I find this very silly and extremely cool at the same time? unsure.gif

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QUOTE (verciazghra @ Aug 28 2018, 08:57 PM) *
Is it okay if I find this very silly and extremely cool at the same time? unsure.gif


Yes that's the tech equivalent to tension & release, it's allowed here tongue.gif

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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Aug 27 2018, 12:37 PM) *
I kinda like how future this is. I love modelling, but if the phones are doing the processing, I don't know how you deal with the latency. That is a real turnoff everytime I've tried it.


Yes, Amplitube on an iPhone does have significant latency, but it's in the 20ms second range, which is low enough to not generally be a problem. When you had trouble with latency, what app and what interface were you using?

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I like the idea of using old phones for app.s, rather than a waste when gets old can be useful+environmentally friendly.

20ms isn't too bad but can it get any faster if some stuff deleted from phone or maybe there's an app. to configure all the power the phone has to a single app.?

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Aug 28 2018, 03:45 PM) *
Yes, Amplitube on an iPhone does have significant latency, but it's in the 20ms second range, which is low enough to not generally be a problem. When you had trouble with latency, what app and what interface were you using?


I have an iPad Air with an iRig HD and JamUp Pro. That setup's latency was always much more than I was happy with, I took it on a trip once, but that's about it.

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If there is a way, I"m not aware of it. I play pretty fast as you know so I'm very sensitive to any sort of perceptible lag. I would not use it if I could hear any lag at all. On the iphone 6s, with Amplitube, I don't hear any lag. I didn't know there was any until I saw rammikins post. I don't know the source for that but he's a smart guy so we can take him at his word. Thankfully, if it is there, I don't hear it. If i noticed any lag, I would not use it.

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QUOTE (Mertay @ Aug 29 2018, 07:46 AM) *
I like the idea of using old phones for app.s, rather than a waste when gets old can be useful+environmentally friendly.

20ms isn't too bad but can it get any faster if some stuff deleted from phone or maybe there's an app. to configure all the power the phone has to a single app.?


Here is a web site with latency times for iphones and ipads. It looks like it hovers around 10MS. Where are you getting 20ms? I'm not saying it's incorrect, just never went looking for it as I don't hear any when using this rig so I never found it necessary. I can usually hear lag as I play really fast and need very short latency. But I don't hear any on this setup. However, it could well be there and I'm just not hearing it i suppose.
https://superpowered.com/latency


QUOTE (Rammikin @ Aug 28 2018, 03:45 PM) *
Yes, Amplitube on an iPhone does have significant latency, but it's in the 20ms second range, which is low enough to not generally be a problem. When you had trouble with latency, what app and what interface were you using?


YES. JAM UP PRO HAS WAAAAAAY TO MUCH LATENCY for me. I HATE using it for that very reason. It's why I switched to amplitube mobile. I don't hear any on that app with any interface I've tried so far.

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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Aug 29 2018, 08:21 AM) *
I have an iPad Air with an iRig HD and JamUp Pro. That setup's latency was always much more than I was happy with, I took it on a trip once, but that's about it.


The AMPLITUBE MOBILE app is the best I've found as it doesn't have the latency issues that apps like JAM UP seem to have on the iPhone 6s. I have not tried it on newer phones as I don't have one.

The TELEPORT has a USB port on it. That usb port connects a usb cable that goes to a small usb to lightning adapter converter (lightning is the small proprietary connector on newere ios products) then to the iphone. You run an APP like AMPLITUBE on the iphone and that is where all the audio processing is going on. The pedal is just input/output and a stomp button. smile.gif
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Aug 28 2018, 11:35 AM) *
This is the future!! That's awesome mate.

I'm not sure if I understand the connection. Is that teleport the interface that connected directly to Iphone, or you need any other thing as Irig? I can't see it clearly in the video.

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QUOTE (yoncopin @ Aug 29 2018, 12:21 PM) *
I have an iPad Air with an iRig HD and JamUp Pro. That setup's latency was always much more than I was happy with, I took it on a trip once, but that's about it.


Like many ios audio apps, JamUp Pro has a latency setting. If you find the latency to be a problem, make sure it's set to the lower setting. If it's still too high, other apps may have latency settings more to your liking, there are many to choose from. Even the amp modeling in GarageBand is quite good.



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So where did you get the 20ms latency number for ios from again? I've only been able to find documentation of about 10 ms. Which is evidently to low for me to hear. I have noticed that some apps have latency issues in general like JAM UP. While AmplituBe doesn't seem to have any latency that I can detect by ear for either patch switching or playing.

GARAGE BAND is a great point! I LOVE that app and it's imho one of the most power mobile audio apps out there. You can honestly build an entire song just using the mobile version of garage band. The "smart" instruments make things pretty simple. I'm not saying you could write Bohemian Rhapsody with it, just that it's a very handy tool when one is on a mobile platform. I featured it in one of my youtube demos showing the tone shifter pedal with IOS. Also, one can transfer a project that was started on a phone, and move it to the laptop/desktop Mac and open it in garage band or open it up in LOGIC X! From Mobile to LOGIC. That's handy.

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QUOTE (Rammikin @ Aug 29 2018, 07:29 PM) *
Like many ios audio apps, JamUp Pro has a latency setting. If you find the latency to be a problem, make sure it's set to the lower setting. If it's still too high, other apps may have latency settings more to your liking, there are many to choose from. Even the amp modeling in GarageBand is quite good.

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