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Gabriel Leopardi
post Jun 6 2019, 03:58 PM
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It's common to hear people saying that Jazz is complex, and Rock is poor and simple... Have you ever heard it? I have many Jazzyfriends who always discredit Rock and Pop music...

However, I think that using "lots of concepts" in a tune doesn't make it "better" or more valuable On the other hand, using a few concepts and make something that sounds good is also valuable...


What do you think?






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post Jun 6 2019, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE (Gabriel Leopardi @ Jun 6 2019, 03:58 PM) *
It's common to hear people saying that Jazz is complex, and Rock is poor and simple... Have you ever heard it? I have many Jazzyfriends who always discredit Rock and Pop music...

However, I think that using "lots of concepts" in a tune doesn't make it "better" or more valuable On the other hand, using a few concepts and make something that sounds good is also valuable...


What do you think?





I'm on to watch these videos now but before that I'll just say that imho jazz music is theory-heavy compared to rock and pop. Most of the Scorpions' bangers are made of fifth chords and/or open chords in 90-100% but they still sound great. On the other hand, James Hetfield and Cliff Burton have used music theory and still sound great but more complex maybe.

Most of the jazzmen in my vicinity graduated from music academy, jazz major and most of those I personally met lose interest in talking you once you as soon as you put rock and jazz as equals or say you like rock over jazz. I believe that personal pride has something to do with it. Let's go back to Scorpions, their Michael Schenker and Uli Jon Roth days were definitely great but I will never say Rudolf and Matthias duet is bad. I go to their *simplistic music* concerts every year and enjoy every moment of it. I dislike pop music because it's for some reason annoying me whenever I turn on the radio but sometimes I listen to stuff like Combichrist, Noisia or "weird Internet-made remixes" which aren't one bit complex. It all boils down to personal preference but that preference doesn't give anyone right to say what is better and worse. Diversity of opinions is actually the best thing about society.


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post Jun 6 2019, 07:29 PM
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Los Angeles is unique among musicians precisely because most Jazzers, starting in the 1940s, also played a lot of Blues, Country, Folk, Pop, R&B and Rock and Roll. Then and now, there is a huge amount of recording that is done in L.A. (movies, TV, video games, records, etc.). Almost every jazz musician I know out here who is under 70 years old really likes R&R and some of the old guys and gals even still play it.
We tend to discuss the unique challenges both genres present as opposed to arguing over which one is "better" or harder.

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post Jun 6 2019, 09:23 PM
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Some of my more Metal Headed friends used to refer to "jazz Nazis" as those guys that played coffee houses for spare change and who often made fun of "Metal Nazis" who played bars for spare change. smile.gif I've played in Blues and Metal bands, but never in a Jazz band. Being a jazz guy seems a lot about music theory where as Blues/Metal seem more about riff/vibe. But that's just a personal perception. Music is Music and it's all connected in one way or another smile.gif
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QUOTE (klasaine @ Jun 6 2019, 03:29 PM) *
Los Angeles is unique among musicians precisely because most Jazzers, starting in the 1940s, also played a lot of Blues, Country, Folk, Pop, R&B and Rock and Roll. Then and now, there is a huge amount of recording that is done in L.A. (movies, TV, video games, records, etc.). Almost every jazz musician I know out here who is under 70 years old really likes R&R and some of the old guys and gals even still play it.
We tend to discuss the unique challenges both genres present as opposed to arguing over which one is "better" or harder.



Nice!! Only those that tried to play other styles in a professional way can have that kind of talk, and when that happens the discussion is very enjoyable.


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post Jun 13 2019, 01:01 PM
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Rating music on the basis of harmonic complexity is at least weird IMHO. One might say techno is "the best music genre" cause it has fastest drum beats. Just as good of a metric smile.gif

For me, music is purely a mean to transmit emotions. A simple rule of thumb is - if a piece of music gives you goosebumps, it's good. That's obviously an bit of an exaggeration.

People tend to come up with various stupid reasons to look down on others. In my experience, it's mostly caused by their own insecurity. Discrediting someone else gives them some sort immunity for being discredited themselves.
I suppose the simple conclusion is - [email protected]#k them and keep rocking biggrin.gif
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QUOTE (Madfish @ Jun 13 2019, 09:01 AM) *
For me, music is purely a mean to transmit emotions.



Exactly. Good post Madfish.


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